[Request] - Hamlet Defense.

There's a problem with Hamlet Defense that I see looming. There isn't enough incentive to take part in the actual fights (which are quite fun btw). The drop rates are randomized and the drop rates seem to be quite low.

In order to get higher supply ratings and get extra chances/points the server as a whole needs to work their butts off to do it, and also spend a decent amount of Gil in some cases. Outside of turning in items for Anima, I don't see players taking part in the supply rating or even the battles because it becomes just another grind with a luck factor. Dark Matter, and Prisms? Really?

My suggestion is that rather than randomized drops to the party. Square should implement a currency that can be scaled based on the score you receive inside of the Hamlet fights. These in turn can be exchanged for items such as the Hamlet Digger Helms. Also perhaps even add in Grand Company Seals or even Gil as another sub reward to give more of an incentives (and for the love of Odin, scale down the damn Anima rewards >.>).

They really did a good job with this content, and I don't want too see it be forgotten about a week after its inception.

just an fyi, but the event isnt even finished

we saw level 1, and some of level 2(which wasnt fully completed)

the higher you go the more there will be to it, if people are willing to work to get the rating up

The Militia gear rewards are actually REALLY nice. I just wish we knew more about the conditions for getting them (supply rating, points, top 20, etc...)

i don't mind the drop rates, and i'm actually looking forward to lvl 2 attacjks, aswell as other cities hamlets, but,
i think that people will lose interest in hamlet soon they get what they want.
to me it's only interesting aslong i need the armet and enmity gorget, after i got those i wouldn't bother doing it anymore, well why should i.

i wish hamlet defense would give other rewards like Gil, Seals and perhaps items that could be traded in for provisioning points.
something to keep the ball rolling, and not be turned into another instance that you only participate in aslong as u got the stuff you needed and after never do again.
or turn the whole reward after the battle into a point system.
fight...win...get points...buy whatever you feel like, and not only keep it to equipment.

they gotta widen out a lil on the rewards to keep it interesting!

I would have to agree that you should be able to buy the equipment with the points you accumulate.

But then you have to wonder isn't this too similar to grand company, last thing we need is hundreds of currencies and specialist shops dotted about.

at least there is an achievment for times completed for these....

Spendable points for rewards, yes please.

i played the hamlet yesterday and its fun and it doesnt take much time, i dont know how it works but if the gear is by a point system, i think they can make it last a lot more, and yes i hope that by 2.0 those hamlet defense will be bigger and with lots of ppls, not just a party, i would love to see them implement an autoparty formation, so you just need to get there and enter to the looking for party list, that way everyone can play.

I'm definitely doing the supply stuff all the time, you get a lot of anima for a little time investment.

It's kind of sad people only do content just so they can "get something". What ever happened to <fun>?

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Originally Posted by Relic

It's kind of sad people only do content just so they can "get something". What ever happened to <fun>?

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the 200 people i see gathered out here on balmung says its still fun to alot of people even with lower drop rates

I actually think the battle is fun, its just kinda of difficult and we all know how people are with stuff that is challenging in this game..

Waiting for the countless threads to nerf it.

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Originally Posted by Relic

It's kind of sad people only do content just so they can "get something". What ever happened to <fun>?

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That's muds and MMOs of the 90s, this is 2012, doing something for fun is an archaic concept. Though I noticed people are trying to form a very specific set up for these battles now lol, seen a few PLDs getting turned down.

I wanna see someone beat it using a party made entirely of DoH/DoL

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I wanna see someone beat it using a party made entirely of DoH/DoL

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We tried it and didn't come close the NPC's are just too weak and dumb lol

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Originally Posted by Relic

It's kind of sad people only do content just so they can "get something". What ever happened to <fun>?

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the drops are the bone in mmo's since the begining....

I'm just curious what your guys opinion on gathers and crafters getting enmity is ?

Do you think it could do with a bit more fine tuning or is it about right ?

I would like to see a better way for DoL and DoH to shed hate, I'm considering stocking up on nerve drops mind so maybe that's a solution.

I would have liked to see gatherers being able to use stealth but the mobs are obviously too high :(

Question do u have to be 45 to enter?

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I'm just curious what your guys opinion on gathers and crafters getting enmity is ?

Do you think it could do with a bit more fine tuning or is it about right ?

I would like to see a better way for DoL and DoH to shed hate, I'm considering stocking up on nerve drops mind so maybe that's a solution.

I would have liked to see gatherers being able to use stealth but the mobs are obviously too high :(

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the crafter/gatherer can run the mobs he has back to the lines of defense that are sitting around twiddling there thumbs.

the npc's can stand against a couple mobs, they just fold when they get swarmed.

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Originally Posted by Griss

the crafter/gatherer can run the mobs he has back to the lines of defense that are sitting around twiddling there thumbs.

the npc's can stand against a couple mobs, they just fold when they get swarmed.

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From my experience its a waste of time because the NPCs are so stupid and slow they don't attack the targets, its just easier to stand with your party and let the WAR AoE aggro them.

It would just be nice if DoL/DoH could be a bit self sufficient, especially considering normally they aren't even standing with the rest of the battle members.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

Question do u have to be 45 to enter?

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You do yea, hopefully in future they will add lower level versions.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I actually think the battle is fun, its just kinda of difficult and we all know how people are with stuff that is challenging in this game..

Waiting for the countless threads to nerf it.

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I think it's a really cool concept, it just seems to single out us single target DDs once more. It's not really a fault in the actual concept rather is it a fault in the instancing. Also I've only tried it a couple of times. Gonna give it a few more whirls before I form a solid opinion on Hamlet Defense. It is really fun, though.

I think I agree, I'm not willing to invest in yet ANOTHER 100 year grind to get the item I want. Let me earn that item and SEE actually progress. Spending "currency" earned by supply runs and taking part in the battle, now that is an Idea I can get behind.

PLD here.

Mantra of the day: "Sorry, we don't want a Paladin."

Once again, chopped liver.

Better luck Monday I guess?

Probably not.

Better luck next content release I guess?

I would like to see company seals as rewards. Fireworks are awesome, but not like 5 times in a row.. :(

How about this:

During Preparation Phase (50 hours), if the Rating went up everyone will be eligible for a slight discount on Cluster, Peacock Ore and Coke in that specific Hamlet, until the end of the following Battle Phase (25 hours). Rating 1 gives 5% discount, Rating 2 gives 10% discount etc. In addition, expand the Hamlet trader content to include region exclusive item to give incentive for raising all Hamlet rating.

During Battle Phase (25 hours), if you succeed in defend the Hamlet once, you are eligible for bonus to Gathering for a specific class (Hyrstmill -> Botanist, LL Hamlet -> Fishing, Uldah Hamlet -> Mining). For example Rating 1 win will give you 2.5% bonus on Perception up to 3 limit and 5% extra EXP from gathering, rating 2 win give you 5% bonus on Perception up to 6 limit and 10% extra EXP from gathering. This buff last until the end of the next Preparation Phase (50 hours).

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

just an fyi, but the event isnt even finished

we saw level 1, and some of level 2(which wasnt fully completed)

the higher you go the more there will be to it, if people are willing to work to get the rating up

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Does the level reset every resert period?
Will those who are #1/#2/#3 on the supplying list tend to stay up there (if there is no reset)?

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Originally Posted by Asiaine

Does the level reset every resert period?
Will those who are #1/#2/#3 on the supplying list tend to stay up there (if there is no reset)?

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yes it resets each time

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

yes it resets each time

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That's going to be a LOT Of gil being dumped to raise it to level 2 all the time.... not to mention 3 or 4... I'm not sure how long we will be willing to dump gil in. (At least, as a DoH/DoL who makes/gathers things to donate).

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Originally Posted by Asiaine

That's going to be a LOT Of gil being dumped to raise it to level 2 all the time.... not to mention 3 or 4... I'm not sure how long we will be willing to dump gil in. (At least, as a DoH/DoL who makes/gathers things to donate).

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itl actualy be 0 gil

since everyones just gonna farm what they need to do it


just going off what happened this time and how pretty much NOTHING went for sale anywhere, itl probly go with that trend



theres also the fact you get an achievemnt for drops up to 10,000 turnins

Today it is still new content so a lot of people will supply for high level.

from next month onward, I don't think we will ever have enough supply rate to have lv 2/ lv 3.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Today it is still new content so a lot of people will supply for high level.

from next month onward, I don't think we will ever have enough supply rate to have lv 2/ lv 3.

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alot of people will be saving to make sure it happens when it does

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

itl actualy be 0 gil

since everyones just gonna farm what they need to do it


just going off what happened this time and how pretty much NOTHING went for sale anywhere, itl probly go with that trend



theres also the fact you get an achievemnt for drops up to 10,000 turnins

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When I say gil, I also include the gil one would get from selling the item they farmed versus giving it in. Also includes the gil you would get from spending time farming something else to sell rather than farming the item needed for this.

I could farm a stack of logs and turn them in. 0 gil. But I lost 200k gil I could get by selling it. So in reality 200k gil.

That is what I refer to ; ;

I'm not sure what the 'staying power' of this mechanic is if the cost/reward is not inticing enough. Which is why I'm wondering if there is something else we are missing.

No luck yesterday with rewards. Just a bunch of prisms :(

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Originally Posted by Asiaine

I'm not sure what the 'staying power' of this mechanic is if the cost/reward is not inticing enough. Which is why I'm wondering if there is something else we are missing.

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Unlimited anima. That's the staying power of this mechanic.