Icy Veins to cover FFXIV

For those interested, Icy Veins, a site dedicated to covering WoW and mostly Blizzard games, is now hiring writers for their new section dedicated to FFXIV.

Icy Veins is mostly for raiders and min/maxers but it's a good place to go for class builds, gearing and rotations. I know a lot of folks here have been wishing for a similar FFXIV site for years, and now they may finally have one with this.

It's worth mentioning, however, that most players interested in builds and rotations go to The Balance Discord server, but having a website dedicated to these things will likely be more accessible and convenient. And a huge help.

This is very good news for the community, if we can get people to share and for people who care and want to improve, but want a resource at tips of fingers. I mean I still got people asking what best skill speed to have, when I can't really answer that because I don't know the person ping, and trying to explain double weaving. So cool beans.

Used to love their build guides for Diablo III
That's nice :)

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Originally Posted by Lium

For those interested, Icy Veins, a site dedicated to covering WoW and mostly Blizzard games, is now hiring writers for their new section dedicated to FFXIV.

Icy Veins is mostly for raiders and min/maxers but it's a good place to go for class builds, gearing and rotations. I know a lot of folks here have been wishing for a similar FFXIV site for years, and now they may finally have one with this.

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interesting but I think your forgetting that racial stats are still a thing in XIV but in a minor degree. so these build (if they'll be true min/max builds) will most likely also include BiS race for jobs as well. so it'll be interesting to see the response they get from their first class build article.

inb4 lala is revealed to be BiS for Black Mage.

This is very misleading!

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General Applications
If you do not see a position currently open on this page, but still feel that you could make a difference to our team, you can always send in a general application.

Given that these applications will specifically be for jobs that we do not currently have an opening for, it will be up to you to convince us that, firstly, there is a problem that needs fixing or a new idea that needs development, and secondly, you are the right person to do either of these things.

You can send any general applications to jobs@icy-veins.com.

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1. Why do I need to let you know there is a problem that needs fixing? That is what you have your people for! Stop exploiting new prospects to fix your problems and tossing them away with an apology letter.

2. Why do I need to let you know my ideas about how to fix developmental problems? Again, you have people for this. Very misleading and obtuse.

3. Am I the right person? Probably, but I won't lend you my talents, resources, and ideas for free if there isn't a fair and equal process for screening and recruitment.

If this site is serious about recruiting people, they should be more specific about how to hire people, what they're looking for, and how they can contribute to the company without exploiting applicants.

Oh heck yeah, this is fantastic!

I’m a big fan of Icy Veins and was bummed when I started this game to find there wasn’t an equivalent page for FFXIV.

I know I’m too new to the game to be much help, but I’m totally going to support them in fleshing out content for this game. ^_^

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Originally Posted by znushu

interesting but I think your forgetting that racial stats are still a thing in XIV but in a minor degree. so these build (if they'll be true min/max builds) will most likely also include BiS race for jobs as well. so it'll be interesting to see the response they get from their first class build article.

inb4 lala is revealed to be BiS for Black Mage.

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The stat spread is 5 at max. For eternity. That's less than the margin between hits at max level.

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

This is very misleading!



1. Why do I need to let you know there is a problem that needs fixing? That is what you have your people for! Stop exploiting new prospects to fix your problems and tossing them away with an apology letter.

2. Why do I need to let you know my ideas about how to fix developmental problems? Again, you have people for this. Very misleading and obtuse.

3. Am I the right person? Probably, but I won't lend you my talents, resources, and ideas for free if there isn't a fair and equal process for screening and recruitment.

If this site is serious about recruiting people, they should be more specific about how to hire people, what they're looking for, and how they can contribute to the company without exploiting applicants.

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Given that these applications will specifically be for jobs that we do not currently have an opening for, it will be up to you to convince us that, firstly, there is a problem that needs fixing or a new idea that needs development, and secondly, you are the right person to do either of these things.

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They're saying that if you want to apply to a position that is not currently open, the onus is on you to convince them to hire you. Why should they hire you for a closed position if there is no problem to be fixed, no new idea to be developed, and you aren't the right person for the job?

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

If this site is serious about recruiting people, they should be more specific about how to hire people, what they're looking for, and how they can contribute to the company without exploiting applicants.

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Or it could be a tactic to weed out folks who have that exact reaction. They want folks who will see problems that others may overlook. They want people who will then have a solution to those problems. They want people who will play ball with a minimum of rabble. If that's not you, the simple solution is to move on to the next job listing. What's not needed is an attack on the corporation because you disagree with their wording or perceived morals.

If there is no problem with their services, literally, make something up but at least try to sound convincing and provide a plan of action by which you would solve the "problem".

"I think your sites could do with more fact-checking, proof-reading and comment moderation because such and such and blah blah blah. With my new Super Icy Veins Plan 9.0, I will eliminate all of these issues by such and such and blah blah blah.

Maybe they want go-getters and not complainers.

Working as intended?

Never played WoW so not sure what this site is, something like the Balance and Saltedxiv.com with job guides and end game encounter guides?

FFXIV already has great guide websites. We don't need IcyVeins.

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Originally Posted by Lium

For those interested, Icy Veins, a site dedicated to covering WoW and mostly Blizzard games, is now hiring writers for their new section dedicated to FFXIV.

Icy Veins is mostly for raiders and min/maxers but it's a good place to go for class builds, gearing and rotations. I know a lot of folks here have been wishing for a similar FFXIV site for years, and now they may finally have one with this.

It's worth mentioning, however, that most players interested in builds and rotations go to The Balance Discord server, but having a website dedicated to these things will likely be more accessible and convenient. And a huge help.

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What builds? What's the point of Icy Veins with no talents to choose from?

I think IcyVeins is predicting that it's time covering WoW is drawing to a close and now it's looking to expand by making guides for other games/MMOs.

isn't this exactly what the balance is for? balance has been around for a looong time.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

FFXIV already has great guide websites. We don't need IcyVeins.

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It's always good to have more resources and differing opinions.

Will be interesting to see what they can do in the case of 14.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

It's always good to have more resources and differing opinions.

Will be interesting to see what they can do in the case of 14.

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Exactly!

Some of the people in this community are such a trip. It doesn't hurt to keep an open mind.

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Originally Posted by znushu

interesting but I think your forgetting that racial stats are still a thing in XIV but in a minor degree. so these build (if they'll be true min/max builds) will most likely also include BiS race for jobs as well. so it'll be interesting to see the response they get from their first class build article.

inb4 lala is revealed to be BiS for Black Mage.

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The thing about that is, is that multiple race/clan combos hit the highest INT values. There are:

Midlander Hyur
Duskwight Elezen
Viera Veena

Lalafells of both clan only have second highest INT.

For those curious on other stats:

Highest MND

Miqote Keeper of the Moon
Lalafell Dunesfolk
Au Ra Raen
Hrothgar Both Clans

Highest STR

Hyur Highlanders
Au Ra Xaela
Hrothgar Both Clans


Highest DEX

Elezen Wildwood
Lalafell Plainsfolk
Miqote Seeker of the Sun
Viera Rava

Highest VIT

Roegadyn Both Clans
Hrothgar Both Clans

In my opinion, if you want to racial min-max for one job... that's pointless because what's optimal for you as an individual is to flex. The best races for flexible are those with most of their attributes high(starting with 4/5 stats in the 20s). These include:

Hyur Highlander
Roegadyn Hellsguard
Elezen Duskwight
Viera Rava
Au Ra Xaela


Of course, the difference between races is almost non-existent in the endgame. Critical Hit and Direct Hit variance is a far larger factor in DPS disparity.

There's not really much to write about in FFXIV.

Extreme and Savage guides are always useful, but everything else is pretty straightforward.

I mean all the more power to them, but there really aren’t builds in this game like there are in many other MMOs, and there isn’t really a lot of variation in rotations, and, well, there really isn’t a variety of gear to keep like you might in other MMOs, so half of the stuff they offer is not really useful in FFXIV.

As pointed out, there really isn’t min/maxing other than “get the best in slot gear from the newest savage”. Even racial choice is meaningless for this. The widest difference in races is like 6 stat points. (17 to 23). The current endgame weapon for monk, just the weapon alone, gives over 700 strength. The difference between iLVL 520 and 530s is like 100 strength, again just in the weapon.

I mean, I guess I could see their use in having detailed strats for certain bosses? I’m just not really sure what they offer is necessary in this game. Something like guildwars 2 or Diablo 3 or path of exile, heck yeah! FFXIV is extremely linear in progression.

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Originally Posted by Delis

Never played WoW so not sure what this site is, something like the Balance and Saltedxiv.com with job guides and end game encounter guides?

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Basically for wow it's talent builds and bis gear guides. At least that's what I use it for. My actual game guide comes from dreamgrove.gg and questionably epic as a restoration druid.

Icy veins guides aren't always correct.

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Originally Posted by Delis

Never played WoW so not sure what this site is, something like the Balance and Saltedxiv.com with job guides and end game encounter guides?

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More like the Archetype of those kinds of resources, presented in a standardized manner that presents the information in a common and digestible form. There's something to be said for style guides and adhering to standards of presentation.

Awesome! I loved Icy Veins when I was a player of WoW.

Icy Veins has been the driver in most of the ingame discrimination between classes, have been the ones to encourage people to abandon jobs or classes that are "bad at dps" or "bad at this or that" and are rabid min maxers.

As soon as new content comes out they come up with a graph that tells people "If you have a player with x class, kick them immediately"

They are the reason the class balances in WOW have been so bad, and Icy Veins has to a great degree contributed to WOWs toxicity.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Icy Veins has been the driver in most of the ingame discrimination between classes, have been the ones to encourage people to abandon jobs or classes that are "bad at dps" or "bad at this or that" and are rabid min maxers.

As soon as new content comes out they come up with a graph that tells people "If you have a player with x class, kick them immediately"

They are the reason the class balances in WOW have been so bad, and Icy Veins has to a great degree contributed to WOWs toxicity.

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I really don't think that they're going to affect anything.
The game is Japanese, the devs won't care about what they think or say.
And FFXIV is a very old game at this point while Icy Veins has been dedicated to WoW since the start for a very long time.
FFXIV already has its established norms and places to go for the Meta etc, Icy Veins will maybe help beginners a bit but I don't think that a very noticeable portion of the playerbase even knows what that website is and won't read it regardless.

I mean we just had a huge WoW refugee influx, it didn't somehow change how the game is played.
If anything was to change FFXIV that would've been it not a website.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Icy Veins has been the driver in most of the ingame discrimination between classes, have been the ones to encourage people to abandon jobs or classes that are "bad at dps" or "bad at this or that" and are rabid min maxers.

As soon as new content comes out they come up with a graph that tells people "If you have a player with x class, kick them immediately"

They are the reason the class balances in WOW have been so bad, and Icy Veins has to a great degree contributed to WOWs toxicity.

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And Asmongold was a driver for WoW's toxicity, Preach Gaming also. And the WoW refugees should make the game guaranteed more toxic than ever ... etc. And the funny thing is, nothing happened. :) Please do not overestimate the meaning of a single website to a mmo community. I guess, 99% of the FF14 players do not know what Icy Veins is.

Cheers

People were already excluding "bad" classes like early 5.0 NIN from party finder rather frequently, so class discrimination is going to occur as long as min-maxing resources like the Balance exist in general.

Hopefully Endwalker does not have the same issue with something severely undertuned slipping through the cracks.