Account-wide Cosmetics

As someone who has many characters (and who pays more each month to have said characters) I often wish that mounts, minions and all mogstation purchases except dyes, eternal bondings, fantasias and boosts were account wide.

I know people will say you don't need multiple characters in this game and that's true but some folks like having them anyway.

This is a change I would love.

...And it would get me to buy things on the store like all the time, just saying.

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Mogstation items are already said to be either account wide or character locked. That being said, there are many things that could be account wide. As you said, mounts and titles being a big one. My personal wish is that the game would not only register that your alt is on an account with a house (keeping you from purchasing another home), but lets your alts use the house on your account.

Yes.

I would also be like you that I would buy a lot more on the Mogstation if it was account-wide. A lot of things priced per character are not worth the expenditure for me.

Yes, yes, yes and YES !

Even if they can't actually make it account-wide, it could still get sent to every current character you have.

Or make it a bulk purchase deal. First one is full price, additional copies in the same transaction are $2. Might as well get that for everyone on the small chance they'll use it, right?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Even if they can't actually make it account-wide, it could still get sent to every current character you have.

Or make it a bulk purchase deal. First one is full price, additional copies in the same transaction are $2. Might as well get that for everyone on the small chance they'll use it, right?

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if every mount I have ever earned needs to be sent to me as a whistle on new characters you know what? I'll take it.

They could also put these things on Calamity Salvager to spare the moogle mail.

YES PLEASE. No Mog Station items should ever be locked to a single character -- that is ridiculous.

It would be nice if lots of other stuff was unlocked account-wide when you get them, too: minions, mounts, titles, achievement progress, gil, bank storage, etc. I really hope to see this become a thing in Final Fantasy XVIII or whatever the next MMO down the line will be.

As someone with several alts and some different mogstation glams between them, I wholeheartedly agree.

All cosmetics/mounts/emotes and such should be account wide. You should also be able to put all Mogstation items in your armoire.

YES please!!
especially for events--looking @ you, black fat chocobo

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

if every mount I have ever earned needs to be sent to me as a whistle on new characters you know what? I'll take it.

They could also put these things on Calamity Salvager to spare the moogle mail.

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All mounts arrive as whistles anyway, don't they? That's how they work.

The thing is, they've said in the past that there's some kind of global limit to how many things can be made account-wide overall, and assuming they're being honest with that, it explains why they offer it so sparingly.

So that's why I think they could do a compromise and let you receive a purchase on multiple current characters without needing whatever back-end tracking they require to register a thing as account-wide. You wouldn't receive it on future characters, but you could get multiple copies of it now.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

As someone who has many characters (and who pays more each month to have said characters) I often wish that mounts, minions and all mogstation purchases except dyes, eternal bondings, fantasias and boosts were account wide.

I know people will say you don't need multiple characters in this game and that's true but some folks like having them anyway.

This is a change I would love.

...And it would get me to buy things on the store like all the time, just saying.

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..just curious, why are you paying more for extra characters? You get a total of 8 for the same price as normal monthly if you pay several months at once.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

..just curious, why are you paying more for extra characters? You get a total of 8 for the same price as normal monthly if you pay several months at once.

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Starter doesn't allow more than one character per server. My alts tend to run with the same FCs. That's pretty common for RP groups on Crystal.

Got to love how this game is simultaneously one of the most alt friendly and unfriendly mmo's there is...

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Got to love how this game is simultaneously one of the most alt friendly and unfriendly mmo's there is...

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It is by far the most alt unfriendly game out there but it is the most friendly to player time.

My alts might as well be new accounts aside from exp earrings and vet awards.

But it's nice to know I don't NEED them, if there is something I really want to do on x class I can do it my main here without having to get an alt all the way through the MSQ to level cap again.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Starter doesn't allow more than one character per server. My alts tend to run with the same FCs. That's pretty common for RP groups on Crystal.

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I believe the starter edition vs complete is about which expansions you purchase (“starter” vs “complete”) whereas the payment method gives you additional characters (“entry” vs “standard”).

The monthly price for “entry” package is identical to the “standard” which includes 8 characters, if you pay 3 months at a time.

I don’t know whether that is available to a “starter edition” account, but if this is of interest maybe double check if you’re playing long term and want extra characters. Hopefully you can get something!

Link for info: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/

I strongly suspect the reason stuff isn't account wide is (in addition to money) the fact that there is something deeply wrong with how XIV manages character data. Like 'Lovecraftian' wrong. Like 'You get a peek at what they are working with and bound too and your mind goes mad from the revelation' wrong.

It seems every item has way too much data associated with it when its stored in your character. Most games could easily handle an account wide 'collection' (like, a simple yes/no collection list for every item in the game for every player would probably fit on an SD card) but for some reason XIV can't, even though that would be something extremely easy to do. It may have to do with how complicated item states were and it was implemented in a janky way in 1.0 to keep track of dye, materia, spirit bonding, durability, and glam state, and location, and we are just stuck with that.

When SWTOR first introduced their cash shop and armor sets they did OK , then when they added the collections feature which added the armor set (glam sets in this game) , mounts , colour crystals ( which change the glow of sabres , or lasers from guns) etc etc to your collection for the character that consumed the cash shop item meaning you could make as many copies of it on your character and also the option for a smaller cash shop currency amount ( cartel coins) so you could unlock the collection item for any of your characters , their financials for SWTOR went through the roof.

It went from only people that couldn't help themselves with cash shop purchases , to many many people including myself buying their cash shop currency , in order to buy stuff then unlock it for account (mounts mostly).

They also have a legacy system which i miss a lot which allowed you to use in game currency or cash shop coins bought with real money to permantly unlock stuff for your server . so for example rocket boost which is like a very fast sprint which lasts for 12 seconds, on a 60 sec cooldown and can be used where mounts cant (must be outside of combat though) or my all time fave which is reduce mount cast bar by xxx secs ( 3 unlock tiers) which makes it insta cast once fully unlocked.

Spaghetti code and money is why we can't have nice things.

As someone with one character I agree with you too.


However, they make a ton of money from all the whales buying mog station items for multiple character so I don't think it's very likely they will change this.

The devs already said, XIV isn't a game that is designed to be alt friendly since it's designed to be played with only one character. That design philosophy is also shown in the fact that you can't send stuff to alts via mail. So yeah, this will never find it's way into the game, you have higher chances with putting faith into the housing system than accountwide stuff.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I believe the starter edition vs complete is about which expansions you purchase (“starter” vs “complete”) whereas the payment method gives you additional characters (“entry” vs “standard”).

The monthly price for “entry” package is identical to the “standard” which includes 8 characters, if you pay 3 months at a time.

I don’t know whether that is available to a “starter edition” account, but if this is of interest maybe double check if you’re playing long term and want extra characters. Hopefully you can get something!

Link for info: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/

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I might be using the wrong terminology then. The account subscription that is cheaper, the one that allows 8 characters, does not allow them all on the same server. So I prefer standard sub.

Standard is what I pay when I play literally any other MMORPG (except Guild Wars 2) so meh.

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Originally Posted by dezzmont

I strongly suspect the reason stuff isn't account wide is (in addition to money) the fact that there is something deeply wrong with how XIV manages character data. Like 'Lovecraftian' wrong. Like 'You get a peek at what they are working with and bound too and your mind goes mad from the revelation' wrong.

It seems every item has way too much data associated with it when its stored in your character. Most games could easily handle an account wide 'collection' (like, a simple yes/no collection list for every item in the game for every player would probably fit on an SD card) but for some reason XIV can't, even though that would be something extremely easy to do. It may have to do with how complicated item states were and it was implemented in a janky way in 1.0 to keep track of dye, materia, spirit bonding, durability, and glam state, and location, and we are just stuck with that.

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I'm sure this is at least partly the reason. The way the game seems to handle character data and inventory is a disaster. I'd like to see that change. Imagine what this dev team could do with a more robust and future proofed game engine.

All good, I know what you're talking about. See image below:

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...082.1500906603

Not trying to sell you on it, just I myself didn't realize I could get 7 extra characters for free. The only condition is paying 3 months at a time instead of 1.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

The devs already said, XIV isn't a game that is designed to be alt friendly since it's designed to be played with only one character. That design philosophy is also shown in the fact that you can't send stuff to alts via mail. So yeah, this will never find it's way into the game, you have higher chances with putting faith into the housing system than accountwide stuff.

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There's a huge gulf between "Not being designed for" and "actively hostile towards". And according to a recent Yoshi-P interview it is firmly the latter. I near about unsubbed at that point. Regardless, as long as their attitude remains poor I'll continue to not buy single character cosmetics.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

All good, I know what you're talking about. See image below:

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...082.1500906603

Not trying to sell you on it, just I myself didn't realize I could get 7 extra characters for free. The only condition is paying 3 months at a time instead of 1.

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Oh I see what you are trying to say now.

It wouldn't be paying extra if I bought three months at a time. I didn't usually do that because I was playing casually most of the time, a month and here and there because I was playing WoW as well.

I don't....think I'm going to be going back to WoW any time soon so I have been considering the three month rounds.