waiting on loot rolls

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Can we get something changed with the loot/roll system. Make it so we can roll and then leave without having to wait for everyone. Also make it so that if you do not roll you get 0 of the loot. It should automatically be a forfeit on the loot.
People acting in a scummy way of refusing to roll, hoping others leave so they get the loot to themselves gets very tiresome. Another thing how about giving us a window or something that shows who has currently rolled on loot. Then if nothing else we can report these people for that type of behavior.

I remember back in ARR I was in some primal extreme farm, and someone always kept holding up the loot. Then someone in the party said everyone type what you rolled. Things changed rather quickly. I have asked this a few times since and that has worked.

I honestly wouldn't mind if they found a way to start outing the people in alliance raids with a highlight color or something that they haven't rolled. I have no problem waiting out the clock either way, in-case there is a griefer reading this.

shorten the timer from 5 minutes to 2 and a half minutes.

Yeah, the timer has always been too long in my opinion. Halving it would work wonders.

A shorter timer would be nice but if you want the loot that badly, just stick around. You can AFK to grab a drink, take out trash, etc. while the roll counts down.

What I've seen people post is to post that you've rolled and are needing to AFK for a bit.

That usually gets the players who are trying to game the system by making people wait leave as they're only wasting their own time if someone else who's rolled is going to be around for a few minutes.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

shorten the timer from 5 minutes to 2 and a half minutes.

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I feel like even 2 and a half minutes is too long, somewhere around 1 and a half to 2 minutes would be best in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

I feel like even 2 and a half minutes is too long, somewhere around 1 and a half to 2 minutes would be best in my opinion.

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It's a toss up at that point whether you want to roll for loot or fight enemies. Sometimes when people are constant pulling you then have to choose between helping with the fight and rolling for things, and if you're the tank (lets be real, tanks aren't always allowed to set the pace) or the healer, that could be bad.

There's also cutscenes to consider (sure you don't watch, other people might).. so SOME leeway is necessary.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

I feel like even 2 and a half minutes is too long, somewhere around 1 and a half to 2 minutes would be best in my opinion.

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Has to be long enough to last past the longest cut scene that pops at the moment someone can loot.

Some of the longer ARR dungeons may be on the longer end.

Newbies shouldn't have to decide between cut scene or loot.

What i tend to do when this happens is post in chat: since someone is waiting on rolling i'm gonna go for a smoke, will be back in 5mins.

Once i do that the person holding back the loot rolls 90% of the time, if they don't then i switch to netflix and they sit there till the last second.

I'm gonna share an idea from a previous loot timer thread that I found as amusing as it is helpful:

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Originally Posted by Kirika-

If it looks like you have one or more Roll Trolls in the raid, at the final kill roll on the loot (pass on what you don't want/need/can-loot), then say in raid chat "Rolled, need to AFK for a few, great run all".
99 times out of a 100 the Roll Trolls will then go head and roll.

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(For anyone's reference here is that thread:https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...2-Roll-Timers?)

My move so far has been to roll then /sit near the exit.

When this happens I usually (but not always) just pop a squat right by the exit portal and say something along the lines of "It's okay, I've got all day." Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Other times I just stand there silently in defiance. Not gonna give whoever it is the pleasure of getting free loot, even if that is the end result. They are wasting my time, so I will waste theirs.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

What I've seen people post is to post that you've rolled and are needing to AFK for a bit.

That usually gets the players who are trying to game the system by making people wait leave as they're only wasting their own time if someone else who's rolled is going to be around for a few minutes.

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I usually tell the alliance that we should have a dance off while wait for everyone to roll and then start dancing. That usually does it. I've also done the "Going afk" and then sit and play games on my phone before, too. Once they realize they aren't going to get what they want, they usually want to roll and leave.

I'd normally just state in alliance chat that I've rolled & I'm going to afk while waiting for the last person to roll.
Or: "I don't know why ya'all so afraid of me stealing your loots :P I rolled a 0!"

An annoyance for sure, but I don't think it's a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

A shorter timer would be nice but if you want the loot that badly, just stick around. You can AFK to grab a drink, take out trash, etc. while the roll counts down.

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Yep, I usually just roll and get some water when it comes to the alliance raids since we all know there is that one person.

In-fact I was saved by the timer once. I had cleared a savage floor for the week and my raid leader always used lootmaster. I had d/c'd like right before the kill, so the timer covers these strange scenarios as they were still able to give me my loot.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

It's a toss up at that point whether you want to roll for loot or fight enemies. Sometimes when people are constant pulling you then have to choose between helping with the fight and rolling for things, and if you're the tank (lets be real, tanks aren't always allowed to set the pace) or the healer, that could be bad.

There's also cutscenes to consider (sure you don't watch, other people might).. so SOME leeway is necessary.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

Has to be long enough to last past the longest cut scene that pops at the moment someone can loot.

Some of the longer ARR dungeons may be on the longer end.

Newbies shouldn't have to decide between cut scene or loot.

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Fair points, for some reason I completely forgot about cutscenes lol.
Maybe if chests couldn't be opened until all cutscenes ended? Though that would probably cause a good chunk of issues as well.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I usually tell the alliance that we should have a dance off while wait for everyone to roll and then start dancing.

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I've seen this done before and boy oh boy is it way more entertaining than it has any right to be. xD

I just sit there at the exit and pull up an LP video on yt usually personally. Not worth the effort to engage the person holding loot hostage.

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Originally Posted by Dificeman

Not sure where to post this.

Can we get something changed with the loot/roll system. Make it so we can roll and then leave without having to wait for everyone. Also make it so that if you do not roll you get 0 of the loot. It should automatically be a forfeit on the loot.
People acting in a scummy way of refusing to roll, hoping others leave so they get the loot to themselves gets very tiresome. Another thing how about giving us a window or something that shows who has currently rolled on loot. Then if nothing else we can report these people for that type of behavior.

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If you don't roll at all then you effectively do roll a zero. Even a greed roll of 1 will beat a non roll. There may be a hidden roll if no one rolls and the system just gives it to whoever wins that when it times out..

But a lot of the time people don't roll because of how the loot system works.. If I do a raid for example and I want the body piece or perhaps the leg piece as a second choice. I'll roll on the body, pass all the crap I dont want but will not roll on the leg drop until the body piece has been resolved.. If I win the body I'll pass on the legs and leave.. if I dont win the body then I'll roll on the legs. Players typically won't roll on everything at once because if they get a 99 on the body but the head gets resolved first and they won that with a 23 they lose the body they wanted and had a great roll for.

The problem often comes from clashes between players.. If I was player A for example and someone else player B. wants the legs but will settle for the body, they'll typically do the opposite. They'll roll on the legs, pass all the crap they dont want but will not roll on the body until the legs have been resolved...

In this scenario players A B and everyone else are basically stuck waiting because Player A is waiting for the body drop to be resolved before rolling on the legs. Player B is waiting for the leg drop to be resolved before rolling on the body. and as such neither of those pieces gets resolved and everyone is stuck waiting.

It gets worse when you factor in player C who maybe wants the legs, but would settle for the hands. and Player D who wants the hands to finish a set but wouldnt mind the body to start another set... and Player E who wants hands but would settle for the feet.... and now none of the drops are getting resolved so the entire party is waiting for basically all the drops to be resolved.

You can't report people for not rolling people tried this before back in alexander raids and even omega stuff. It's not considered griefing or harrassment because of the examples above. Players usually do roll on their first choices pretty quick.. but wont roll on there second choice unless theyve lost the roll on there first choice.. or wont roll on there third choice until there second has been resolved etc..

There has even been posts asking to make loot rolls last longer because in things like alliance raids. the second boss drops say a casting piece but everyone wants the piece from the last boss or something. so people have suggested before to keep the loot pool open until say 5 minutes after the duty is complete. so if the last boss doesn't drop what they want they can then decide to roll on the one the second boss dropped earlier if they dont want to do the content again that week...

Most of the time when people don't roll it's because they're waiting on another roll to be resolved first..

unless of course its a dungeon in which case players usaully just steam roll through and dont even look at the loot window or open the chests.

It's not that bad to wait 2 minutes, time to have a drink or a break. After all, how long is it in the face of intensive farming.

You can't do anything about it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

It's not that bad to wait 2 minutes, time to have a drink or a break. After all, how long is it in the face of intensive farming.

You can't do anything about it anyway.

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The timer is 5 minutes for loot rolls. If it were 2 then it wouldn't be an issue.

It may be just a minor inconvenience but people complained about BLU one-shotting fates with learnable skills which was also a minor inconvenience and they got their way so why can't we get ours?

One thing they could do is add an area to the loot window which shows everyone's roll status on the currently selected loot. Then you could see who has yet to roll.

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Originally Posted by technole

I remember back in ARR I was in some primal extreme farm, and someone always kept holding up the loot. Then someone in the party said everyone type what you rolled. Things changed rather quickly. I have asked this a few times since and that has worked.

I honestly wouldn't mind if they found a way to start outing the people in alliance raids with a highlight color or something that they haven't rolled. I have no problem waiting out the clock either way, in-case there is a griefer reading this.

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My go to method has always been to type in Alliance chat, "Whelp. Time to turn on Youtube."

It works near every time. People holding up the roll usually don't want to wait themselves and seem to give up if you announce you'll wait them out.

They really should reduce the timer though because it's often abused to avoid kicks too. There's no reason it needs to be five minutes long.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I usually tell the alliance that we should have a dance off while wait for everyone to roll and then start dancing.

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ok i love this

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Originally Posted by DontReadThis

One thing they could do is add an area to the loot window which shows everyone's roll status on the currently selected loot. Then you could see who has yet to roll.

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I've heard arguments against this that this could result in people harassing the one person who hasn't rolled for whatever reason

I wish there'd be a skip/pass on all loot option, I keep forgetting to roll on things in roulettes or when helping friends and that quickly clogs my inventory up cus I forget to roll

I’ll give my personal experience on this matter as a PlayStation player: when I started doing dungeons, I would manually use the touchpad of the PS4 controller to scroll over to the loot table and then manually select the Greed or Need option. This was frustrating and took absolutely forever. Eventually I realized that if I pressed in the touchpad button, it would cycle through the windows, making Need or Greed far easier. The point of this post? Maybe you’re playing with console players that just take a long time to manually select Need or Greed and it isn’t intentional. I don’t think people should get banned for unintentional mistakes, so bad idea.

Honestly didn't even knew this was a thing, I have around 100 hours(Yes, I'm new) so maybe that's the reason.

I recently came from a game where there is no roll on loot everyone got loot. I also am going into these dungeons for the first time and like to watch the cut scenes. I have been in dungeons with people who rush and I can't read what the piece of loot is before they are pulling again. So there are many people who are not rolling and it's not on purpose. Punishing people for not rolling quickly will not solve the ones who grief. And who does that I mean it's really mean!