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07-18-2021, 04:51 PM
Shlinkx

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The number of new players are increasing and so many questions being asked in my server's novice network. It is getting annoying trying to help each person but having to change our answer if we find out they are free trial players or not. We also sometimes would like to help these new players by giving them free gear and items like ARR relic crafted items, but we end up not able to do so because we find out they are on free trial. Sometimes We do ask them if they are free trial or not at first, but it is getting repetitive that having an icon that belongs to on free trial players only would make helping new players way faster and better.
07-18-2021, 05:22 PM
Kes13a

while I dont disagree it would be an aid to others in some situations, it could also be used against them. so I dont really see it happening.
07-18-2021, 05:38 PM
Shlinkx

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

while I dont disagree it would be an aid to others in some situations, it could also be used against them. so I dont really see it happening.

Thank you for your input, but I don't see what how can it be used to go against them?
07-18-2021, 05:41 PM
Jeeqbit

It's a fairly good assumption to make that anyone still in ARR hanging around in cities is a free trial player. I try to make my answers fairly general, but lean to the assumption they have bought the game, so that if they tell me "I can't do that" then it subtly motivates them to buy it.
07-18-2021, 05:51 PM
Shlinkx

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's a fairly good assumption to make that anyone still in ARR hanging around in cities is a free trial player. I try to make my answers fairly general, but lean to the assumption they have bought the game, so that if they tell me "I can't do that" then it subtly motivates them to buy it.

Thank you for your post. I understand where you are coming from, but you can't tell where the person is from the NN chat, you have to search their name. Why should we make assumptions and give general answers when we can be certain from the icon and give the best answer we can.
07-18-2021, 10:59 PM
Kes13a

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Originally Posted by Shlinkx

Thank you for your input, but I don't see what how can it be used to go against them?

not sure you have hung around with people much, not meant as an insult but people, especially those protected by being anonymous online, can also be rather elitist "oh, you dont have money invested? why would I andswer your question freebie... get a job and put out some cash for answers or use google"

I can see that being a thing, especially if there are a lot of free accounts with their new little flags. people WILL discriminate, its human nature. its not right, but it will happen to some extent.
07-18-2021, 11:01 PM
Puremallace

The answer is no. We already have a sprout icon so there is no point in breaking them into 2 groups. You sign up to be a mentor and this is what happens.
07-19-2021, 07:30 AM
Katie_Kitty

Is "new players asking for help" even a thing in this game? I've been a mentor for some years now and might have been approached for advice on something like once. People don't want advice in this game - They just want positive feedback of "Yes dear everything you're doing is just fine, you're amazing."
07-19-2021, 11:29 AM
ItMe

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Is "new players asking for help" even a thing in this game?

I've gotten into conversations with new players a lot and ended up fielding their inevitable list of questions.
It seems like they don't come to people for help, but are more than willing to ask questions after a bit of ice breaking.
07-19-2021, 12:51 PM
Dreamsoap

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

"oh, you dont have money invested? why would I andswer your question freebie... get a job and put out some cash for answers or use google"

That's already the attitude in NN with mentors. Just substitute "Oh you don't have money invested?" for "Oh, you're new to the game, let me troll and waste your time."
07-19-2021, 01:18 PM
Jeeqbit

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Originally Posted by Dreamsoap

That's already the attitude in NN with mentors. Just substitute "Oh you don't have money invested?" for "Oh, you're new to the game, let me troll and waste your time."

I don't see this at all and I've spent a lot of time in novice networks.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Is "new players asking for help" even a thing in this game? I've been a mentor for some years now and might have been approached for advice on something like once.

Yes, mentors who spend time in the Novice Network see new players questions all of the time and answer them.
07-19-2021, 01:47 PM
Jojoya

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Originally Posted by Shlinkx

Thank you for your input, but I don't see what how can it be used to go against them?

There are always those who will harass or discriminate for whatever reason.

"Hey, free trial leech too cheap to pay for the game, I don't want you in my group"

We don't need a special free trial icon to encourage that sort of thing.

Most answers are going to be relevant whether someone is free trial or not. It's mainly use of chats and MB along with ability to join a FC that would be different. The free trial player is always free to clarify that they are free trial if the normal answer isn't working for them.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't see this at all and I've spent a lot of time in novice networks.

Yes, mentors who spend time in the Novice Network see new players questions all of the time and answer them.

Can vary by the world you played on. I was in the NN with an alt on a data center other than Crystal and that NN got plenty toxic at times.

But it's not really NN that would be the problem. It's the general player base. I don't think SE would be able to flag players differently just within NN chat.
07-19-2021, 02:10 PM
Dreamsoap

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't see this at all and I've spent a lot of time in novice networks.

I have an alt and this is my experience. It's that, or completely flooding out questions because they're so heavily invested in some random off topic chat, usually involving WoW.
07-19-2021, 02:45 PM
Halivel

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Is "new players asking for help" even a thing in this game? I've been a mentor for some years now and might have been approached for advice on something like once. People don't want advice in this game - They just want positive feedback of "Yes dear everything you're doing is just fine, you're amazing."

You obviously don't spend enough time in Novice Network. Either this, or NN on your server is so loaded with useless off-topic that new players stopped bothering asking questions becuase it will just drown in other messages or get negative attention instead of an answer. OP is from Ragnarok, and as somebody who's from the same DC and used to play on same server as well for several years before transferring to Spriggan - yes, new players here do ask questions, and usually even get their answers.