New Dragoon Ability (IDEA)

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07-10-2021, 09:24 PM
Titancleaver

New Dragoon Ability (IDEA)

True Dragon Sight

Summons a small Dragon to attack whatever we are attacking at that moment. Also tethering eyes to both us and partner of choice.
Of course increasing damage dealt as usual.

It would be a nice homage to FF11 Dragoon pet and it makes more sense now (SPOILER WARNIN) than in ARR with Dragons not being enemies any longer (esp with where Estinien is at right now)
07-11-2021, 02:18 AM
Vatom

I think they had this back in 1.0 but correct me if Im wrong. Also I believe they took it out due to the bad AI system which isn't that better now. Also don't see much reason to add it other then your history in HW with the brood. Not saying I don't like the idea but I don't think it would be possible. Also you got summoner already having a pet might be a clash in identity if you just give DRG a pet and now with DRk having living shadow its even more of a no, plus reaper if you where thinking that they have a combo system around it. Idk since reaper will be sharing drg gear I cant say it could be impossible but it wouldn't be a pet it would be that just like reaper weaved in with your combos.
07-11-2021, 03:11 AM
CKNovel

Pets? No.

You'll find plenty of comments about how horrible the pets are in this game.
They're either clunky like SCH and SMN pets.
Or they're glorified dots like DRK or MCH.

No pets!
07-11-2021, 06:24 AM
Dyvid

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Originally Posted by Titancleaver

True Dragon Sight

Summons a small Dragon to attack whatever we are attacking at that moment. Also tethering eyes to both us and partner of choice.
Of course increasing damage dealt as usual.

It would be a nice homage to FF11 Dragoon pet and it makes more sense now (SPOILER WARNIN) than in ARR with Dragons not being enemies any longer (esp with where Estinien is at right now)

Ignoring the poster above, yes I do believe a FFXI style Wyvern could work. It works lore wise and could function well with auto attack along with breath attack during certain abilities.
07-11-2021, 06:42 AM
Titancleaver

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Pets? No.

You'll find plenty of comments about how horrible the pets are in this game.
They're either clunky like SCH and SMN pets.
Or they're glorified dots like DRK or MCH.

No pets!

In my idea it wouldn't be a pet. It would be a glorified DOT which I wouldn't mind because it would be visually pleasing.
07-11-2021, 03:47 PM
Calysto

As a former DRG main in XI, you have all my support.
I always keep the wyvern minion with me, but it's just not the same...
07-11-2021, 05:20 PM
Enkidoh

Yoshi was asked about the possibility of this ages ago and basically said "no" from what I remember. The dragonling minion is basically the closest you're going to get to FFXI's wyvern pet I'm afraid.
07-11-2021, 05:28 PM
Burmecia

Ok, I have an idea too: technically new weaponskill but it uses Ring of Thorns animation :D
07-11-2021, 05:46 PM
Burmecia

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...52/NOCAPES.jpg

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

No pets!
07-11-2021, 06:07 PM
Shurrikhan

I'd rather a spirit dragon cleaving multi-strike, perhaps as an upgrade to Mirage Dive, if it's otherwise just going to be... another DoT with persistent visual clutter.

Ideally, some skill summons and fires off the (spirit) dragon, which divebombs or arcs past immediately and then on recast until all its charges are consumed. Follow the standard DRG theme in banking for CD windows.
07-12-2021, 01:41 AM
Vatom

Im just waiting to get an ak morn or ak rah
07-12-2021, 08:16 PM
Titancleaver

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Yoshi was asked about the possibility of this ages ago and basically said "no" from what I remember. The dragonling minion is basically the closest you're going to get to FFXI's wyvern pet I'm afraid.

Again, it wouldn't technically be a pet. If they can do DRK Shadow or NIN Clone then they can do this. If they will is another matter entirely

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Originally Posted by Vatom

Im just waiting to get an ak morn or ak rah

This too would be really cool.
07-12-2021, 10:43 PM
Kurando

I mean this isn't FFXI so why does it need to play homage? Not against it for the record, but looks like Reaper will have a medium to call on to assist in attacks, having DRG doing the same thing would feel like copy and paste.
07-13-2021, 01:43 AM
Titancleaver

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I mean this isn't FFXI so why does it need to play homage? Not against it for the record, but looks like Reaper will have a medium to call on to assist in attacks, having DRG doing the same thing would feel like copy and paste.

Do you know what homage means?
07-13-2021, 02:09 AM
Kurando

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Originally Posted by Titancleaver

Do you know what homage means?

I know perfectly well what it means, doesn't answer my question though. Why does it need to pay homage to FFXI iteration specifically? The game is still live, people can go there for the full dragoon pet experience, homage isn't required.
07-13-2021, 07:46 AM
Dyvid

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I know perfectly well what it means, doesn't answer my question though. Why does it need to pay homage to FFXI iteration specifically? The game is still live, people can go there for the full dragoon pet experience, homage isn't required.

Because in a way it makes sense. A Dragoons power literary comes from dragon kind. Dragonsong is over. Ishgard and dragon kind are trying to find a way to move forward. Plus we already have Dragonet that help the player during Dragoon Quest so....

It could be a 20s Dragonet from Tiamat's Brood that attacks with thunder breath.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Yoshi was asked about the possibility of this ages ago and basically said "no" from what I remember. The dragonling minion is basically the closest you're going to get to FFXI's wyvern pet I'm afraid.

Let's be honest now, Yoshi-P has said few things that he later changed his mind on.
07-13-2021, 09:58 AM
Shurrikhan

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Because in a way it makes sense. A Dragoons power literary comes from dragon kind. Dragonsong is over. Ishgard and dragon kind are trying to find a way to move forward. Plus we already have Dragonet that help the player during Dragoon Quest so....

It could be a 20s Dragonet from Tiamat's Brood that attacks with thunder breath.

That doesn't make it fitting, though, so much as merely newly permissible.
07-15-2021, 05:06 PM
Gobio

I thought besides the chocobo for solo play, there is no pet in this game?
07-16-2021, 06:04 PM
Calysto

"pets" nowaday are juste proxies for your actions that either :
-stay slightly behind you
-go to the target
-stay/go to a position and don't move
they may auto attack/heal.

That is pretty much exactly what the wyvern was in XI : following you, auto-attacking your target, and using a breath on certains actions you use.

Chocobo use actions on it's own and is still on the aggro list (like most pets prior to ShB) other than that, it has more control on it's behaviour ("role" mode) and it's actions are locked behind a grind system.

"worst" case (if anything get done) : idk if it's possible , but just glamour "blood/life of the dragon" ? just an option to replace the blue/red animation and have a wyvern instead ? (like carby/egi glam). that way it's not "more visual clutter" ; juste a trade
07-16-2021, 06:06 PM
Shurrikhan

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Originally Posted by Calysto

"pets" nowaday are juste proxies for your actions that either :
-stay slightly behind you
-go to the target
-stay/go to a position and don't move
they may auto attack/heal.

And, most importantly...
-lag

Can't leave out the essential point, as that's been the main commonality after taking away separate HP bars and the ability to activate pet skills even while casting other abilities.
07-16-2021, 08:03 PM
Calysto

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

And, most importantly...
-lag

I know it's an issue with sch/smn, but is there any lag issue with mch pet ? or drk/nin "pets" ?
From what i know (but i may be wrong), the lags comes in when the player give an order to the pet.
Ex : For sch, the pixie is actually super responsive and start an embrace as soon as any player lose 1 hp (which in turn delay even more any action requested by the sch)
07-16-2021, 08:25 PM
Shurrikhan

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Originally Posted by Calysto

I know it's an issue with sch/smn, but is there any lag issue with mch pet ? or drk/nin "pets" ?

Not for NIN, as it's just a player aura that creates additional animations from your character with each strike, not a pet. For MCH, it's not something we much think about since, like DRK's, it's just a DoT, but it is technically possible for there to be slight delay (making it appear to glitch out, stuck against an object before teleporting a little later than they'd otherwise have arrived to the target) to those ticks' start if there's anything in the path between their summoning point and the target of Automaton Queen. Living Shadow, though, seems hard to glitch out, and the opening ranged shot, alongside time between ticks, seems like it'd give plenty of time to reach the target before the next tick regardless.