Southern Front is not worth participating in twice due to mettle

I feel like they need to tie mettle in the southern front to mettle level. If you go back into the southern front to grind some stuff for more relics than your first then it feels like you are being punished for doing ce and stuff while waiting for castrum to pop. In zadnor who cares if you die in Looks to Die For because the mettle reward is enough it is fine to die once to mechanics while you spam rez everyone else. In southern front if you die to say the math fate or red choctober, you make back maybe a third of the mettle you lost at the end. It really discourages actually participating in the instance instead of just waiting in the camp for Castrum to pop so you can get your relic drops and move on. If they tied mettle gain to mettle level then it wouldn't be a problem for people to go back into southern front. Maybe after I hit 10/10/10 on my mettle buffs I wouldn't care but as I'm sitting at 7/7/6 right now I'm just going to sit in the camp and wait on Castrum.

Castrum spawns faster if you actually partcipate in the instance instead of just standing around. If youre so concerned about mettle loss, idk why youre not hanging out in Zadnor full time instead of doing the weekly quest. You get more mettle from doing a CE and a skirmish in Zadnor than the weekly quest.

Well… try to die less, then?
What else can we do besides earning them back, if we die at all? While the mettle gain in BSF aren’t scaled well, the difficulty definitely is. Smaller group can still clear just fine & players are not in risk of dying unless they screw up so badly.

It's not about the weekly quest or about getting mettle from Castrum. I'm doing all the relics, so doing 3 Castrums for its step is less grindy than anything else. I also want to earn mettle while I'm doing the relic rather than just grinding mettle to do relics faster. While I am waiting on Castrum I would prefer to do skirmishes and ce and help out. But, the point is that I literally have no incentive to help out spawning ce or doing skirmishes and instead am incentivized to just let others handle it since if I die to a ce I get punished when that ce is literally as hard as ce in zadnor that you don't get punished for dying in. It's not like this when you level in southern front the first time. If you die you still get more mettle from winning than you did from dying, unless you are particularly bad and die a lot. There is no incentive to help out in doing any of this once you are lvl 25, your one persons worth of contribution won't really make Castrum pop any faster, and plenty of reason not to help.

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Originally Posted by Liale

But, the point is that I literally have no incentive to help out spawning ce or doing skirmishes

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You do.

Every CE cleared, which will go faster with your help, speeds up the spawn rate of castrum. By doing CE, you are actively reducing the amount of time you're on that step, which also means you'll be spending less time in Bozja.

Also, have you tried just not dying? It's not hard lol.

Everyone dies every once in a while, but I'm not going to argue with three people I've seen arguing in every thread I've visited today. I've said my piece on the official forums where you have to go to be heard "officially" even though we all know that being heard is rare, and now back to ignoring the forums for several more months.

Didn't even go a full page before melting down...

Maybe it's for the best that you stay off the forums for a while, life is stressful enough without getting mad that people on the internet aren't agreeing with you.

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Originally Posted by Liale

Everyone dies every once in a while, but I'm not going to argue with three people I've seen arguing in every thread I've visited today. I've said my piece on the official forums where you have to go to be heard "officially" even though we all know that being heard is rare, and now back to ignoring the forums for several more months.

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I mean your argument is that you LITERALLY have no incentive, which by the definition of literally (in a literal manner or sense; exactly.), is only going to be true if you don't want to do your relic.

Because, by definition of literally, you literally finish your relic faster by participating in CE. And since you're here because of relic, as literally stated at :

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Originally Posted by Liale

I'm doing all the relics, so doing 3 Castrums for its step is less grindy than anything else.

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Then you, by definition, literally have incentive.

Oh goodie! I know who else to blacklist the next time I see OP. Next!

Because complaining about something, when you can actively FIX THAT, is just so much easier. :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

This is a VERY good suggestion. There is no reason that the mettle gained in Bozdja should be so low at this point. It makes it completely pointless to go there if you are rank 25 and up from Zadnor.

Shouldn't be so low, no. My suggestion, just don't die. If you can't do that pop an essence that gives HP/DEF, and then pop Bubble and you genuinely have to try to die.

If you die too much in Bozja just go back into Zadnor and do some skirmishes and CEs, you will get it back in no time.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

This is a VERY good suggestion. There is no reason that the mettle gained in Bozdja should be so low at this point. It makes it completely pointless to go there if you are rank 25 and up from Zadnor.

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One goes there for weeklies and NOTES. If people have the notes they'll only be there for Castrum once a week. You can't expect huge mettle rewards there it's why you have Zadnor.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Castrum spawns faster if you actually partcipate in the instance instead of just standing around. .

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That only works on Dalriada, for Cas its still 60min.

My guess is they thought that the fact you can get the coins to get haste armor would be enough of an incentive to do the old content, on top of endlessly attempting to get the Lyon Field Record from castrum. I mean they've had to buff that places rewards almost every single patch. They just keep under cutting the rewards.

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Originally Posted by sparroww

That only works on Dalriada, for Cas its still 60min.

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It's both. I've had castrum's within 20 minutes of each other.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

It's both. I've had castrum's within 20 minutes of each other.

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Yeah. I've gone into Castrum, beat it and exited...then 30 minutes later it spawned again. All depends on the zone activity. 60 minutes is just the default if not much is going on.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah. I've gone into Castrum, beat it and exited...then 30 minutes later it spawned again. All depends on the zone activity. 60 minutes is just the default if not much is going on.

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That's what happens when they have too many "CaStRuM tImEr?!?!?!" players who kept hopping in and out between instance (sometimes they enter same instance over and over again lol).

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

That's what happens when they have too many "CaStRuM tImEr?!?!?!" players who kept hopping in and out between instance (sometimes they enter same instance over and over again lol).

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Meanwhile there's me, shamelessly reading a book while I wait. lol I don't need anything else but Lyon's notes (1 and 2) so...it's all a waiting game for me on Tuesdays.

I feel that the mettle gain should be the same regardless of which instance or zone you are in. It makes no sense why you get more in say Z1 vs Z3 or Zadnor vs BSF given that the effort to clear the skirms/CE is the same anyway.

Agree; if they're going to keep the inflated mettle lost in BSF they should also increase the mettle gained. It's probably an oversight; it's pretty obvious that SE put absolutely zero thought into anything regarding Bozja.

Ignore the "just don't die then lololololololol" trolls. This kind of thing will discourage anyone past a certain level from ever participating in SF content and should be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Meanwhile there's me, shamelessly reading a book while I wait. lol I don't need anything else but Lyon's notes (1 and 2) so...it's all a waiting game for me on Tuesdays.

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Go and try and kill some star mobs while you wait for CLL/Dal (or the duels if you are doing that way) or join a cluster farm group. Most of the people in those farms are there for the same reason you are and then you already have most of a party to go into CLL. Then you also on the side can get some gil for your troubles.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Agree; if they're going to keep the inflated mettle lost in BSF they should also increase the mettle gained. It's probably an oversight; it's pretty obvious that SE put absolutely zero thought into anything regarding Bozja.

Ignore the "just don't die then lololololololol" trolls. This kind of thing will discourage anyone past a certain level from ever participating in SF content and should be fixed.

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Except his argument was there's no point in doing them with that mettle drop because he's there for castrum, to do his relic.

And if your concern is relics, and not mettle, then the loss of mettle for dying should be very minimal in your mind. Once you're at rank 25 you can have 0 mettle forever and it'll have basically no effect on ability to progress relics.

Should it go up? Probably, but if speeding up castrum to do his relics faster, which'll get him right back into Zadnor where he'll get a million mettle for 2 CE's, isn't even an incentive for him, I'm unsure what would be.

As if it was worth participating in *once*

So you are saying your armour is showing signs of..mettle fatigue? :cool::cool:

Well, it isn't true that it is worth only participating in once. They require people to do it to get the fragments needed for zadnor like Martialist, Beast, Blood sucker, etc. It's still the primary source of preparation fragments, with the only major fragments I've found gatherable from the second half being support and care.

The reason they did this is that Zadnor has the system for getting honor marks, so if they buffed the mettle gain in the older content they are afraid that will result in everyone abandoning Zadnor for Southern Front (which is likely true). However, this is more so a problem involving Zadnor itself rather than southern front. To really fix the entire thing they'd need to add rewards for the platinum coins, such as the older field records like Lyon 1, and buff the mettle in the older content for people past the original max rank.

At the end of the day no content is going to last forever and people who have been playing since the start of shadowbringers are definitely feeling like this content should be dead and done. There's no one really saying "oh, yeah I totally want to run southern front and castrum again!" unless they are after some drop item or just need fragments, and the only reason those are needed is due to either Zadnor or an achievement. It's kind of like holding your long running player base hostage to the content because there's no other way to get them to do it, which is exactly what got people out of world of warcraft.

Fun fact: Mettle is meaningless once you're 10/10/10.