The ARR Relic questline was all fun and games... until those stupid BOOKS...

I'm gonna be real; those "Books" have broken my will to go on. Those things are just SO monotonous, not to mention having to complete them all separately.

I feel like one or two of those books would be enough of a roadblock to make progress feel earned, but freaking 9 of them?! Insane, my dudes. In--sane.

Maybe those who already completely the ARR Relics will feel differently -- and honestly, I wouldn't blame you, you guys clearly put in a TON of work getting them -- but I'd personally kind of dig getting a *slight* nerf to this. Or rather, maybe restructuring the process a bit, like combining the books into a single book, where players can make more of a circuit to work towards everything, instead of "port around a buncha random spots, do some dungeons, turn in the book, repeat".

I dunno. Thoughts? Like I said, particularly for those who already completely their ARR Relics, are there improvements you would recommend, that still feel "fair" to the investment you already made?

There's variety in those books and I'll take a bit of everything over stuff like option A or B in absurd quantities like we have for the current relic.

I wish they'd let you take all the books at once instead of going back and forth. It certainly killed my enthusiasm to get any more relics after the first.

these are nerfed. It used to be much worse.

The original atma farming. Enough said.

The books are way more dynamic and make you wander around the map at least instead of doing DR 2149820938 times.

They nerfed them big time they're easy now.

This is their nerfed state. If this is where you want to draw the line...well, you are going to be in for a rude awakening very soon. This isn't even the worst part. That sums up my thoughts.

While I do appreciate that new relics come along new content (Eureka and Bozja) instead of rerunning old dungeons, I'd be nice if the grinding was a bit more varied instead of "do 500 FATEs that die in a few seconds" or "run this dungeon 1000 times".

Better the variety of content the books ask you to do than the monotonous light farming you have yet to reach.

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Originally Posted by Terin

I'm gonna be real; those "Books" have broken my will to go on. Those things are just SO monotonous, not to mention having to complete them all separately.

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Those books broke my will and caused me to take a break from the game, not once, but TWICE over the length of a single relic weapon.

Thing is, the ARR relic weapons have been nerfed as far as they ever will. Remove the books and some other part will be the worst, and people will complain about that. Yes, slippery slope argument, but you know in your heart it is true.

Though... I'd reduce it to three that are paired with the weapon's mainstat, rater then 3 for every stat related to the weapon, if I was going to adjust it.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I wish they'd let you take all the books at once instead of going back and forth. It certainly killed my enthusiasm to get any more relics after the first.

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This

Even if they did nothing else, this would be a decent QoL

The other steps really aren't that bad at all. The process of taking one book at a time is the killer...

there really should only be 4 books

I can't even remember what you're talking about. I have removed all memories of relic grinding up to Bozja. That's how much I hated them. And now it's all over.

Let me take all 9 books and grind then all at once, then I’m gucci.

I'm on this step as well and it's not too bad. The main part that kills me is farming specific fates. Getting a specific fate to pop is one of the least fun things SE has ever invented.

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

The original atma farming. Enough said.

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The sheer horror of it all. Now I have PTSD farming for field notes in Zadnor.

Admittedly, the books would have been far better if they each offered one more task (as an option) and required one fewer.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Admittedly, the books would have been far better if they each offered one more task (as an option) and required one fewer.

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As in, the same amount of tasks overall divided across less books? Because I can't see anyone doing more than they have to.

It wouldn't be so bad if each book wasn't so spread out. Dungeons, monsters, fates in every corner of eorzea. Each book. What really sucked is that one fate that refused to pop and you were stuck waiting. No one likes having to just sit there and wait.

I think a way to improve them would have been to allow all the books at once or simply have a few Monster books with nothing but monsters in them, Dungeon books, Fate Books etc.

It would be nice if the books had more options in them, so you didn't have to get "lucky" and get the exact right fate that might be once per hour, or might be "only if you do this chain of 5" or might be "can't happen if THIS fate is active, and will only happen in a specific window" ...

That might soothe the burn just enough that I wouldn't mind doing all 9 just as much.

I thought I'd say something in here about fates, and aiming for one specific fate, it was VERY much an ARR thing. The ARR hunts require you to kill monsters that only show up in fates. The books require specific fates to show up as well. This can take hours to get the fates. This is somehow less fun then grinding for atma.

If we get any change whatsoever, I'd really really like it to just auto-hand us the next book after completing one (like flipping a page or something). Even if it meant having to dump more poetics in unlocking the book.


As it stands now I'm just very very slowly completing them when I feel like tackling it.

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Originally Posted by Suwariish

As it stands now I'm just very very slowly completing them when I feel like tackling it.

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This is what I'm doing with my alt. I'm doing both the SMN and SCH relic weapons and thought to take it easy on the SCH one since I smashed through all the SMN books like a mad man literally hopped up on energy drinks.

In between the relic steps for the books, I tend to go and do Triple Triad card collecting, gathering and crafting within the general area when waiting for a specific fate to drop. I also read one of my manga/light novels if I don't feel like doing any of that while waiting.

Just best overall to take your time and enjoy the little things as you go. But I heavily agree with that it would be nice be able to take ALL the relic books at once instead of one at a time. And to add to that, also allow us to do them all at once, too.

I completed my Zeta when it was still relevent and that was way before the nerfs. I was farming the Atmas when they had a 1% drop rate. These are honestly easier now though I imagine the worst of it is is waiting on the Fates to pop, but they even nerfed the timers for the book fates so that they pop more often instead of waiting 4-5 hours for the one Fate you need to spawn in a specific area.

But if this disheartens you, I'm sorry, the other grinds are way worse... Especially Eureka in Stormblood and Bozja is just a copy paste of that with some differences. These are always a grind since they're usually considered as the casual weapons rather than the ones that you get from Savage raiding.

It's not the worst step, but I guess doing 9 books is still a chore.
Better to just do 1 or 2 books per day in between doing other things instead of immediately grind for all 9.

I've also been an advocate of perhaps further reducing the number of books to do. It really is the major step that I feel I stall out on. It didn't feel too bad when I just had base game and was capped at 50, so was basically all stuff I was doing anyway.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

As in, the same amount of tasks overall divided across less books? Because I can't see anyone doing more than they have to.

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No, as in the book gives you, say 25% more choices, and requires that 25% less be completed. If you had 4 task categories to complete before, you'd have to do only 3 now, but you'd have 5 choices. Or each sub-task would award a certain number of points, and you'd need only some 60% of the points possible.

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Originally Posted by Clicked

I'm on this step as well and it's not too bad. The main part that kills me is farming specific fates. Getting a specific fate to pop is one of the least fun things SE has ever invented.

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They improved it in later expansions but ARR FATEs are just bs wrapped in more bs wrapped in more bs

I grit my teeth anytime I have something that requires a specific ARR FATE. They improved things slightly spawning wise but they are still just a massive pain in the behind.

Honestly my issue with the Books is simply how disorganized it is, coupled with have to do EACH one separately.

Combining them into a single Book, and then grouping your requirements by zone? What would be freaking FANTASTIC!!!

I am all about grinding for some sweet cosmetics. But it's the "bouncing all over the place" for each book, and then repeating it, that's just way too gnarly for me.

I'm also curious whether the process speeds up much for ADDITIONAL Relics? Because I'd always sort of thought that EVENTUALLY I would want to pursue them on all jobs (it's a bit too late in Shadowbringers, but I'd like to level everything up in Endwalker). But I'd previously figured "well if you get ONE Relic, additional ones are probably only like 25-50% of the work, right?". Which... doesn't SOUND like that case. Which again, would just be a slight bummer, just as a completionist.

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Originally Posted by Terin

Honestly my issue with the Books is simply how disorganized it is, coupled with have to do EACH one separately.

Combining them into a single Book, and then grouping your requirements by zone? What would be freaking FANTASTIC!!!

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Given the more subtle adjustment recommended above, I wouldn't have minded the individual books at the time (and apart from a few bottleneck FATEs or the like, I didn't even hate them back then in ARR), but that does sound like how any such relic grind (mega)step should end up after its given expansion.