Aussie Server

Does anyone know the details about Oceanic Server yet? Like, when will it open, will it be free transfer 'only' for the Oceanic countries, how many worlds will be available, etc.

Not yet, but based on previous data center reshuffles we can assume:

- New Servers. Perhaps 2-4 new servers to go with 2-4 moved over from JP/US. I would expect maybe Tonberry and Kujata get moved to OCE, and then 4 new servers get added too. Giving OCE 6 servers in total. That might be a tad optimistic, so it could be that only 2 additional servers are added for 4 total.
- Free Transfers. Anyone transferring to one of the OCE servers, or transferring from any servers that get moved to the OCE center, will get those transfers for free. They will also get a full refund of their house if they have one, and there will be no limit on how much gil they can transfer with.

It's going to be interesting to see how many servers they add even to existing data centers and whether or not they'll do a server reshuffle like they did before. With Data Center travel coming it will at least allow people to visit friends if they are reshuffled. The did mention additional restrictions to what can be done with data center travel though.

Light and Chaos have 6 servers each so it'll be interesting to see if they create 6 new server or simply reshuffle some servers to the new one and add some more.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

It's going to be interesting to see how many servers they add even to existing data centers and whether or not they'll do a server reshuffle like they did before. With Data Center travel coming it will at least allow people to visit friends if they are reshuffled. The did mention additional restrictions to what can be done with data center travel though.

Light and Chaos have 6 servers each so it'll be interesting to see if they create 6 new server or simply reshuffle some servers to the new one and add some more.

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I expect with how complicated they said data center travel would be, that we will have to log in to a data center to start with, and then you're stuck on that data center until you log out and change it. So no transferring from the aetheryte like the world visit system.
That wouldn't be that prohibitive, but you wouldn't be able to chat to people on different DCs at the same time.
But who knows, maybe they work something out.

I'm definitely interested in the names for sure.
For the DC itself, maybe Astral, Umbral or Eikon?
For new servers, I've seen Echidna suggested, which would be pretty fitting. Vrtra/Azdaja would be kinda cool too.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I expect with how complicated they said data center travel would be, that we will have to log in to a data center to start with, and then you're stuck on that data center until you log out and change it. So no transferring from the aetheryte like the world visit system.
That wouldn't be that prohibitive, but you wouldn't be able to chat to people on different DCs at the same time.

I'm definitely interested in the names for sure.
For the DC itself, maybe Astral, Umbral or Eikon?
For new servers, I've seen Echidna suggested, which would be pretty fitting.

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Yeah it's definitely going to be harder but logging out switching dc's and logging back in isn't that big a deal I do that continually with my alts. I belong to numerous discords for hunts and I'll jump a DC frequently when I'm in capping mode for my alts. It really doesn't take that much time. I have no idea what the names should be though and how they might reshuffle or perhaps that isn't going to happen a reshuffle that is. Light and Chaos have 6 servers each which isn't a lot compared to other data centers.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Yeah it's definitely going to be harder but logging out switching dc's and logging back in isn't that big a deal I do that continually with my alts. I belong to numerous discords for hunts and I'll jump a DC frequently when I'm in capping mode for my alts. It really doesn't take that much time. I have no idea what the names should be though and how they might reshuffle or perhaps that isn't going to happen a reshuffle that is. Light and Chaos have 6 servers each which isn't a lot compared to other data centers.

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Are there any other servers that are regarded as a de facto home for Oceania players? Only Tonberry and Kujata come to mind for me, both on Elemental, so if they moved it might require a bit of a reshuffle of the JP servers, which would displace even more people.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Are there any other servers that are regarded as a de facto home for Oceania players? Only Tonberry and Kujata come to mind for me, both on Elemental, so if they moved it might require a bit of a reshuffle of the JP servers, which would displace even more people.

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I really don't know. Juggling servers in North America didn't affect people other than being stuck on another DC. Balmung and Mateus for example were part of Aether before the move to Crystal. Be potentially upsetting to those in the EU or NA or possibly even Japan to simply be moved to another DC cause it will displace them from friends they currently have.

Data Center travel too will have more restrictions so that may affect what people can do with friends if they're forced to have to DC travel to see them.

Japan is probably the closest to Australia so yeah maybe they'll move some Japan servers there to fill out the new server. Seems to me they are going to need to make a few new ones but also have some which are already populated.

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I would expect maybe Tonberry and Kujata get moved to OCE,

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YES PLEASE :-D

It's not only JP there, the whole lot of Asia population are in Tonberry as well.

I really doubt they'll move any servers. That wouldn't be very good for non-Oceanic players on those servers, especially those with free companies or houses. It's more likely they'll offer free transfers to new servers.

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Originally Posted by Espon

I really doubt they'll move any servers. That wouldn't be very good for non-Oceanic players on those servers, especially those with free companies or houses. It's more likely they'll offer free transfers to new servers.

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There was a time when EU didn't have any servers, and the ones they moved to the EU were formerly NA servers.

Ultimately it depends on how many Oceanic players are on those servers, and how many will be moving.
If it's 50%, they could go either way.
Tonberry is by far the largest server in JP, with 77k (12k active) characters, with the next largest having just 50k (9k). It would not surprise me at all if it has a majority of Oceanic players.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

That will suck if you own a house although buying a house on the new server will be pretty easy.

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Have a FC... so bah. All that work needs to be redone, including getting a new FC to level 6 so it can even buy land. Let alone anything like an expansion to subs, or FC spaceships...

And of course, what will the community be like on the server one does decide to put down roots on.

(Echidna would be a non-fitting name - not in Eorzia... and it's not an Aussie server per se, but Oceanic ANZ+more... I am hoping one is named Lahee, or Enkidu!)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Have a FC... so bah. All that work needs to be redone, including getting a new FC to level 6 so it can even buy land. Let alone anything like an expansion to subs, or FC spaceships...

And of course, what will the community be like on the server one does decide to put down roots on.

(Echidna would be a non-fitting name, I am hoping one is Lahee, or Enkidu!)

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How is Echidna non-fitting?

Make it happen SE!

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

How is Echidna non-fitting?

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Echidna would be a non-fitting name - not in Eorzia... and it's not an Aussie server per se, but Oceanic ANZ+more...

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Make it happen SE!

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Echidna would be a non-fitting name - not in Eorzia... and it's not an Aussie server per se, but Oceanic ANZ+more...

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Again you haven't explained why.
Echidna is the final boss of Void Ark. We have servers Diabolos, Atomos, and other minor bosses like Siren, Cerberus, etc.
Echidna's are also an animal native to Oceania.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Echidna is the final boss of Void Ark.

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OK, I didnt know that, my apologies :) I thought the suggestion was based on a spikey animal on the 5c piece.

Still want Enkidu!

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Not yet, but based on previous data center reshuffles we can assume:

- New Servers. Perhaps 2-4 new servers to go with 2-4 moved over from JP/US. I would expect maybe Tonberry and Kujata get moved to OCE, and then 4 new servers get added too. Giving OCE 6 servers in total. That might be a tad optimistic, so it could be that only 2 additional servers are added for 4 total.

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I don't think they're going to move servers if the majority of players there are not playing from the Oceania area. SE did say that players from there are divided into many groups on many different servers so while they may be a large group when added all together, they may be small groups when looking the individual servers they separately play on.

With this in mind I would not be surprised if all the Oceania servers turn out to be completely new. It might be better to do that anyway because that would mean those new servers would have empty housing wards which would be more than enough to convince many to transfer without a second thought.

I do get the feeling it will be a big land rush!

I saw Echinda... so

Here I come, rougher than the rest of them.
The best of them, tougher than leather.
You can call me Knuckles. Unlike Sonic, I don't chuckle.
I'd rather flex my muscles.
I'm hard as nails, it ain't hard to tell.
I break 'em down whether they're solid or frail.
Unlike the rest I'm independent since my first breath.
First test, feel the right, than the worst's left.

This will be very good if Tonberry and Kujata gets moved to the new oceanic Data Center. It also makes sense because of what other posters have said. Having the most english speaking player population from Asia residing in these two worlds makes it a good jumpstarter for the new datacenter. :) Hope this happens. I just moved to Tonberry from Masamune because of this very reason (majority english players in Asia) lol

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Originally Posted by Garet

This will be very good if Tonberry and Kujata gets moved to the new oceanic Data Center. It also makes sense because of what other posters have said. Having the most english speaking player population from Asia residing in these two worlds makes it a good jumpstarter for the new datacenter. :) Hope this happens. I just moved to Tonberry from Masamune because of this very reason (majority english players in Asia) lol

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I hope not. I am pretty sure ping will be much worse connecting to Oceania datacenter than JP datacenter when connecting from within Asia.

Get an Aussie server but EAST COAST NA is out her suffering NA! The player count greatly outnumbers any now or future subs from AUS...gg

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Originally Posted by Neri

I hope not. I am pretty sure ping will be much worse connecting to Oceania datacenter than JP datacenter when connecting from within Asia.

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They have to pull servers from somewhere. They can't start a data center with NO users and just wait for months for them to fill up. They will offer free transfers for those who don't want to be in the new DC as well as for those who want to move there. Some people won't be happy. There were plenty of transfers from Crystal back to Aether after the reshuffle. I can't speak for the EU additions because I wasn't on a EU server at the time. They will offer incentives for moving to the new DC with a road to 80 buff.

Seems to me the most logical ones to move In Japan are English speaking ones and not those where they speak mostly Japanese.

How was the housing situation during the EU immigration? Free transfer for those on Tonberry who already own a house to different servers that the housing are already full? I think it would make much more sense to offer free transfer to the new fresh server with free spaces.

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Originally Posted by Neri

How was the housing situation during the EU immigration? Free transfer for those on Tonberry who already own a house to different servers that the housing are already full? I think it would make much more sense to offer free transfer to the new fresh server with free spaces.

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With EU, the 10 servers were split right down the middle and an extra 1 added to each DC for 6 each. So there were plenty of people moving from one to the other, it was very much a two-way street.
The new servers Spriggan and Twintania had their housing plots locked for a few weeks to start with, to give everyone enough of a chance to relocate before they started fighting over all of the new housing plots that suddenly became available.
Those new servers are still the least populated of all servers though with just 30k (6k active) characters each, the next lowest is Omega with 73k (9k) characters.

(If you mean when EU immigrated from NA, I've no idea, that happened in... 2015/16 I think? I don't know what housing was like then)

With OCE, it's mainly going to be people moving to and from Tonberry, whether Tonberry gets moved or doesn't. But some AUS players do play on different servers, it's not all just Tonberry and Kujata.
So if they moved Tonberry over to OCE, then JP players leaving Tonberry could find empty plots opening up on the other servers that AUS players are leaving, such as Kujata, etc.

But as Layla said, I think it's very unlikely they would open up an entire data center with entirely new servers, and force only the OCE players to all move to a new server. Not only would it seem a little unfair, but you are bound to get some players who don't want to move, they don't want to leave their friends who are staying behind. In order to get enough of the AUS playerbase over to the new data center, they need to give it some grass-roots, and I think Tonberry would be that server to help populate the OCE data center. And depending on the OCE population of Kujata, possible Kujata too.

It's also worth noting that the JP servers arent anywhere near as overpopulated as the EU/NA servers.
JP server avg pop is about 45k (8k), while EU avg is 80k (10k), and NA is 100k (12k). So JP players probably don't find the housing crisis to be so extreme. I know on many EU servers it's not that hard to find a small plot, and the newest servers still have loads of empty plots.

Posting here to say I REALLY hope they don't move Tonberry. That seems incredibly unfair to the large number of us on Tonberry who don't live in Australia?? We have houses, FCs, friends. Out of my whole FC only one person is planning to move because guess what, most of us live in Japan or elsewhere in asia!

Just because Tonberry has the most english speakers, so what? It's not only Australians who speak English. All my FC members who live in Singapore/Malaysia/Philippines think they'll get a worse connection from Australian servers.

Please, just make new servers and offer free transfers and incentives :/

I hope they start fresh on all. Let people move if they want, not force them too. Leave Tonberry where it is. The empty marketboard and opportunity to make decent money gathering and crafting will pad the servers to start.

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Originally Posted by seida

All my FC members who live in Singapore/Malaysia/Philippines think they'll get a worse connection from Australian servers.

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That's actually easy to quantify as very much true for Philipines, slightly for Malaysia, and about the same for Singapore.

Singapore <-> Sydney 93ms
Singapore <-> Tokyo 80.2ms

Philipines <-> Sydney 233ms
Philipines <-> Tokyo 75ms

Malaysia <-> Sydney 103ms
Malaysia <-> Tokyo 80ms

However, all these come through the SEA undersea cable into Australia, and that is prone to breaking fairly often, with the resulting rerouting and huge time blowouts.

I won't be moving because I'm too attached to my FC, latency be damned -- but I'd be willing to put money on them not breaking up Elemental just because that's where Australians have congregated.

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Originally Posted by seida

Posting here to say I REALLY hope they don't move Tonberry. That seems incredibly unfair to the large number of us on Tonberry who don't live in Australia?? We have houses, FCs, friends. Out of my whole FC only one person is planning to move because guess what, most of us live in Japan or elsewhere in asia!

Just because Tonberry has the most english speakers, so what? It's not only Australians who speak English. All my FC members who live in Singapore/Malaysia/Philippines think they'll get a worse connection from Australian servers.

Please, just make new servers and offer free transfers and incentives :/

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To be fair, the many Aussies that have been playing the game and putting up with this bad connection also have houses, FCs, and friends on their current servers. I've even seen comments on discord from people who are on elemental in particular who would be reluctant to move because the better ping doesn't necessarily outweigh losing this stuff and potentially having issues with low population on new servers, which could then exacerbate the low population issue further.

I think the safest bet would be having a mix of new and older servers. It means established servers that have a high aussie population already bring that into the data center, and encourage aussies from other servers to migrate because there's already a population there. It guarantees that you're going to have people there from day 1 of the new servers rather than having to wait for people to shift across, where a completely new data center you'd need to wait for people to file in.

There also seems like there's a pretty big difference between having to move to a truly new data center where there's nothing really there except what you bring and people being caught in the move who then can jump across to an existing and populated server in their region.

Given covid and travel restrictions for JP, I wouldn't count on 6.0 launch but within a year would seem realistic (unless SE stated already otherwise?)

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Originally Posted by seida

Please, just make new servers and offer free transfers and incentives :/

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They do. Free. No gil cap. Some chocobo feathers. That's usally the go-to incentives.

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Originally Posted by Caitsithhh

Get an Aussie server but EAST COAST NA is out her suffering NA! The player count greatly outnumbers any now or future subs from AUS...gg

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Clearly not, otherwise SE wouldnt spending millions of dollars in making a new datacentre. If you want a eastcoast DC, make your voice heard. Bitching in a thread about Oceanic servers aint gonna reach SE ears my man.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

There was a time when EU didn't have any servers, and the ones they moved to the EU were formerly NA servers.

Ultimately it depends on how many Oceanic players are on those servers, and how many will be moving.
If it's 50%, they could go either way.
Tonberry is by far the largest server in JP, with 77k (12k active) characters, with the next largest having just 50k (9k). It would not surprise me at all if it has a majority of Oceanic players.

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This is true. It wasn't until SB we got new EU servers, and a DC split in SHB.

I have an endgame character on Chocobo in Japan and i live on the East coast amd it plays fine there.

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Originally Posted by Chie_M

I won't be moving because I'm too attached to my FC, latency be damned -- but I'd be willing to put money on them not breaking up Elemental just because that's where Australians have congregated.

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Id wait, Chie, they have planned this for a while so Id imagine they have a gameplan for implementation.


All in time.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

There also seems like there's a pretty big difference between having to move to a truly new data center where there's nothing really there except what you bring and people being caught in the move who then can jump across to an existing and populated server in their region.

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The difference is, moving to a brand new server people have completely empty housing wards to choose from.

Forcefully moving the entire server and then saying "oh, JP players can just move back" is completely disregarding the fact we'd be moving back to established servers with barely any open housing available.

In the end it's up to SE, but they'll have a lot of unhappy Japanese players (as well as just non-Aus players) if they do go this route.

If they can somehow guarantee housing then I don't mind so much, but a lot of people would also have to try and coordinate whole FCs moving back, and I'm not sure SE would want to do that to JP players. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by seida

Forcefully moving the entire server and then saying "oh, JP players can just move back" is completely disregarding the fact we'd be moving back to established servers with barely any open housing available.

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They did that with the Aether/Crystal reshuffle. They are going to have to do it with this new data center. Yes some people will be unhappy and want to move back. The transfers will be free but as you point out housing is the real problem for anyone moving back to a populated server.

Honestly they don't really have a choice. The new data center has to have a minimum number of people for it to be functional from a game play perspective. They can't simply offer incentives and wait/hope people move to it quickly enough to make it viable.

Edit: Japan has 3 data centers with a total of 32 servers. I would suspect the new data center will probably aim for a minimum of 5 servers with 1 or 2 at most being totally new. They will probably move 3 or 4 Japanese servers to this new DC. I don't think they will be pulling any from North America or Europe (which only have 6 per DC).

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Originally Posted by seida

The difference is, moving to a brand new server people have completely empty housing wards to choose from.

Forcefully moving the entire server and then saying "oh, JP players can just move back" is completely disregarding the fact we'd be moving back to established servers with barely any open housing available.

In the end it's up to SE, but they'll have a lot of unhappy Japanese players (as well as just non-Aus players) if they do go this route.

If they can somehow guarantee housing then I don't mind so much, but a lot of people would also have to try and coordinate whole FCs moving back, and I'm not sure SE would want to do that to JP players. We'll see.

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So, yeah, you swap out "housing availability" with "will there be enough people on the new servers" and your concerns all apply to people that might move to the new servers. As noted, other aussies I know are saying, even with the incentives and housing availability, the risks of a completely new data center outweigh the benefit of better ping for them.

Given the ping difference listed for some areas is potentially small, people in other countries (looking at Singapore and Malaysia) might have a similar response as those aussies are having and not bother moving back to a JP data center for the ping. Which would create an immediate population base for the new servers that has a benefit for SE in encouraging OCE players on non-migrated servers to move as well.

And yeah, stuff like FC moves... that's going to be a concern for every player who moves to the new data center, it's yet another reason to not move in the first place. It seems in SEs best interested to ensure there is a population level in the new data center to build off rather than taking the chance all these reasons to not move stop enough players from bothering.

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. It seems in SEs best interested to ensure there is a population level in the new data center to build off rather than taking the chance all these reasons to not move stop enough players from bothering.

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Id say that their announcement is proof they've already done the numbers..and, old friend, you are forgetting growth, when more players sign in for the first time and learn there are Aussie servers, thats a huge pull factor.

The OCE community has been angry at Blizzard for a VERY long time and they are sick to death of being ignored. A LOT of OCE WOW players have been hesitant to try FF 14 owing to ping issues, now that thats been solved.....heh heh heh...

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

They did that with the Aether/Crystal reshuffle. They are going to have to do it with this new data center. Yes some people will be unhappy and want to move back. The transfers will be free but as you point out housing is the real problem for anyone moving back to a populated server.

Honestly they don't really have a choice. The new data center has to have a minimum number of people for it to be functional from a game play perspective. They can't simply offer incentives and wait/hope people move to it quickly enough to make it viable.

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I wouldn't entirely be surprised if they did a shuffle to ensure population then opened new servers in the data centers that lost some. That way you'd sort the population out while opening up housing across the world rather than in a single region, if that encourages OCE players to shift then it would also potentially open up even more housing as some percentage of those players would own houses too.

The hardware would presumably still be there so it doesn't seem implausible, they could also potentially shuffle things around and repurpose that hardware to add more housing wards.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

I wouldn't entirely be surprised if they did a shuffle to ensure population then opened new servers in the data centers that lost some. That way you'd sort the population out while opening up housing across the world rather than in a single region, if that encourages OCE players to shift then it would also potentially open up even more housing as some percentage of those players would own houses too.

The hardware would presumably still be there so it doesn't seem implausible, they could also potentially shuffle things around and repurpose that hardware to add more housing wards.

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That's a possibility. The game has grown significantly and one can argue that many DC's are already in need of new servers as well. It would at least offer those moving back a place to get housing. I don't remember the timing of the last reshuffle but I think it was before Shadowbringers dropped. I would think this will happen as well before Endwalker releases.

At the least this go around DC Travel will be a thing which will at least allow people to keep in touch with friends. That wasn't the case the last time.

Im going to ask a few what may seem dumb questions, if you will indulge me.

Is it absolutely set in stone that FC's cant transfer? I read somewhere ( and I may be wrong so please correct me if I am ) that houses CAN be transferred to a new or new home server..did I read that wrong?