Unavoidable death mechanics should not be a thing in FFXIV :(

My wife has earned herself quite the bragging rights over me but she should have been able to have even more bragging rights—but an unavoidable mechanic that targeted her killed her in The Orbonne Monastery. And there was absolutely nothing she could have done to avoid it

She was able to clear both The Royal City of Rabanastre AND Ridorana Lighthouse with no deaths on her first ever run of both. Something I cannot say that I did myself. It took me at least 20 runs to have a no deaths run The Royal City of Rabanastre and I have yet to have a no deaths run of Ridorana Lighthouse and I have done it at least a dozen times. My best on Ridorana Lighthouse was two deaths when I happened to be extremely focused the second half of the raid.

As for The Orbonne Monastery, one death and she got way further than I ever did without dying. The fact that she got past the first boss without dying means she already surpassed me.When she got passed the first boss without dying, I told her that if she can clear all three alliance raids with no deaths, I will go to the Sugar Bear in town here and buy her a dozen gourmet cupcakes because she loves cupcakes. These are not ordinary cupcakes, they are at least twice the size of a normal cupcake and a dozen is like $26.

What killed her? An unavoidable death mechanic during the swordman fight. As soon as I saw the attack target her, I was like "Oh no!" because it cannot be avoided and it kills you. I die when the attack hits me every single time. Because of this BS in the game, she lost out on cupcakes and I feel bad because there was absolutely nothing she could have done to prevent that death.

This attack follows you when you try to get out of it and continues to damage you until you are dead. I have never survived it and I have never seen anybody survive it.

It is a white beam that keeps hitting you. You might as well not run to get out of it, it follows you and keeps hitting you until you are dead. My wife even tried to pull a fast one by using sprint as soon as she first got hit with it (something that I never thought of doing) but the beams still followed her and was able to keep up with her even with sprint and they pounded her until she was dead.

I have seen this mechanic in other instances and raids; animation, colors, and visuals vary slightly but it does the same thing, pound you until you die

WHY have a mechanic that does this? You realize that if this targets someone who is the only person up, it is a wipe, don't you? What if this person was rezzing someone who could healer LB3?



Here is another example in my favorite alliance raid: World of Darkness


I was targeted for an attack, I had one of those purple markers over my head which means I am being targeted for attack, unavoidable as I am the target. that attacks deals 99999 damage. This is level 50 content so we only have a few thousand HP. It was unavoidable death and stuff like that should NOT be in the game

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There are no kill mechanics in XIV. I suggest hitting up some youtube on specific raids if you have any questions about specific mechanics in any content.

Looked up a guide. Looks like she didn't react fast enough to keep out of the fast moving chasing AoE's and got killed. Happens to the best of us.

It's not unavoidable.

Edit to add: You died in World of Darkness because you didn't find someone else to split the damage with. It only kills you if you don't stack with someone.

Oh no, JustinRPG found his way onto the OF...

You could agree with your wife that it's BS, and then still buy her the cupcakes. Talk about posting your own L.

But yeah, like others said, it's not unavoidable. You can block the pulse from the beam by picking up the Heavenly Shield duty action when the shields spawn alongside the white beams. Divine Ruination is the attack name, and it's the only one that's like what you describe. Even if you didn't pick up a shield, unless you're undergeared severely, it only does like 40k damage. Unless she was stacked with everyone else with it.

Also, you know, I saw you playing in a Fatebreaker normal the other day. You played just fine, and you never died once. So, with certainty, you be trollin' I know you know what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by Arrhin

There are no kill mechanics in XIV.

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No, there are plenty of kill mechanics in the game. The game doesnt have any "unavoidable" kill mechanics, but plenty of things end you right away. Falling off the island in limitless blue? Dead. Didnt look away from Angra Manyu's gaze and didnt clear the resulting Doom debuff in time? Dead. There are plenty of fights with soft or hard enrages too, so the people who play too poorly to finish the fight in time? You guessed it, dead. But none of that is unavoidable. Dont yeet yourself off the edge, do the gaze or doom mechanic right, do enough damage to win - each instakill mechanic has a proper way to be done that ends in you not dying.

So when OP mentioned Orbonne i was curious which "death" mech they were going to incorrectly complain about. As they described on, i was guessing either Crush Weapon or Crush Armor. Then they mentioned the "white beam that keeps hitting you" and that narrows the move down to Crush Weapon. The description is a poor one - the attack is not a beam, its a giant sword slashing up from underground. And it doesnt "keep hitting you", it attacks 3 times period. But most importantly, its totally avoidable. TG Cid calls out the attack verbally, his cast bar shows the attack name, and the person(1 per group) to be targetted gets a marker over their head. THIS is your sign to move(and for the rest of your group to get out of the way), not the orange AoE circle appearing. You start running(no sprint needed) before the aoe appears, and it never catches up to you. No damage taken, no "unavoidable death".

Edit: I still interpret the description as being Cid's Crush Weapon. If Vyrerus is right and they actually meant Agrius's ruination that makes even less sense. That attack is both avoidable(do the shield mech/dont stack on the person targetted), and doesnt even deal lethal damage unless you have a few vuln stacks.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

Edit: I still interpret the description as being Cid's Crush Weapon. If Vyrerus is right and they actually meant Agrius's ruination that makes even less sense. That attack is both avoidable(do the shield mech/dont stack on the person targetted), and doesnt even deal lethal damage unless you have a few vuln stacks.

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I was thinking Cid's Crush Weapon or possibly the tethers, which you're supposed to share.

The description of what the attack did is definitely Crush Weapon, but the only attack with a white beam is Divine Ruination(Shield break's tether is orange). Notice he didn't provide the actual boss name either. It's part of the hook.

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Originally Posted by MoltresRider

My wife has earned herself quite the bragging rights over me but she should have been able to have even more bragging rights—but an unavoidable mechanic that targeted her killed her in The Orbonne Monastery. And there was absolutely nothing she could have done to avoid it

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There are no unavoidable death mechanics in FFXIV.
Some mechanics are difficult to avoid, and some require you to know and prepare for them in advance, but none that are unavoidable.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

The description of what the attack did is definitely Crush Weapon, but the only attack with a white beam is Divine Ruination(Shield break's tether is orange). Notice he didn't provide the actual boss name either. It's part of the hook.

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Because I do not know the boss name

Legit question: As a healer In Delub Reginae normal, the second of two debuffs that causes a super fast Doom.

Is there anything I can do as a healer, to prevent their death? Esuna or Heal to full heath?

I try to watch people with one debuff, to anticipate their next hit but I am uncertain if there is anything I can do to begin with. When I get the debuff, I also try to catch my second one and have not yet been fast enough in reaction to know if its even possible.

Thanks for advice!

You only die if you don't understand some mechanics or someone else in your group messed up. But forcing yourself or someone else to no-death-runs isn't really helping because sometimes you just can't do anything. Healers not healing or to dead for healing: Well, you die. Your tank died and now you are second in line for the tankbuster? Well, you die. People doing the mechanics wrong and killing you all? Of course you die.

Learn to deal with it and focus on what you have actually control over: like, your own mistakes.

And now go and buy your wife those cupcakes, damnit.

The fact that you view no-death completion of an alliance raid, especially such an ancient one that has been long rendered obsolete by job changes and ilvl cheese, as a personal accomplishment preeeeeeeeeetty much tells me everything I need to know about this particular situation.

That mechanic is avoidable, she just didn't do it right.

After seeing your threads about not being able to beat multiple different "kill x amount of y" quests, I really can't take anything you post seriously.

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Originally Posted by MoltresRider;5559061What killed her? An unavoidable death mechanic during the swordman fight. As soon as I saw the attack target her, I was like "Oh no!" because it cannot be avoided and it kills you. I die when the attack hits me every single time. Because of this BS in the game, she lost out on cupcakes and I feel bad because [I

there was absolutely nothing she could have done to prevent that death[/I].

I have seen this mechanic in other instances and raids; animation, colors, and visuals vary slightly but it does the same thing, pound you until you die

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Before you assume it's unavoidable, have you considered that you have failed to identify the means to avoid it?

You only die in this game if a mechanic is done incorrectly. That can include: Not moving out of a ground-based aoe. Not splitting damage with someone else. Not hitting the 'don't die button' that pops up when you sit in a certain part of the ground. Not taking your tether to someone else when you're supposed to play hot potato. Taking something meant for a tank. Not hitting a cooldown when being hit with something meant for a tank while you're a tank. Healer failing to properly heal or mitigate. You not noticing a debuff that tells you what you need to do.

All of these can happen in Orbonne. Dying 'unavoidably' is actually a puzzle you have to solve. There is a reason, and you need to learn that reason, which means you avoid death the next time.

ALL deaths in FFXIV are avoidable.

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Originally Posted by MStowastiqVahlshdeh

Legit question: As a healer In Delub Reginae normal, the second of two debuffs that causes a super fast Doom.

Is there anything I can do as a healer, to prevent their death? Esuna or Heal to full heath?

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Nope. In DR, if you fail two mechanics, you die. The avoidance is *not to fail twice in a that timespan.* One failure is fine though, you'll survive it.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Also, you know, I saw you playing in a Fatebreaker normal the other day. You played just fine, and you never died once. So, with certainty, you be trollin' I know you know what you're doing.

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:blob_sweat: “Uh oh, you’ve caught me!” :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by MStowastiqVahlshdeh

Legit question: As a healer In Delub Reginae normal, the second of two debuffs that causes a super fast Doom.

Is there anything I can do as a healer, to prevent their death? Esuna or Heal to full heath?

I try to watch people with one debuff, to anticipate their next hit but I am uncertain if there is anything I can do to begin with. When I get the debuff, I also try to catch my second one and have not yet been fast enough in reaction to know if its even possible.

Thanks for advice!

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Absolutely nothing can be done once you see that doom slapped. It’s basically ”Two mistakes and you’ll pay with mettles.”

If the attack gives that ‘Twice Comes Ruin’ debuff, it means it CAN be avoided. This, in my opinion, is very forgiving because the game tells us we either do it correctly or incorrectly. There’s almost no in-between. From healers’ perspective, I view this as a bonus because some of the funnier players can’t play the “blame the healer”-card against me. ;)

“Yep, you screwed up mate. Now live up to your ‘mistake badge’ for the next 2 minutes and do better, goodluck!”

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

This, in my opinion, is very forgiving[/I]

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It's actually the opposit. The ‘Twice Comes Ruin’ debuff makes sure that you can't outheal/outshield/outgear mechanics and 'cheese' your way through them like it's usually the case with older content. You can pack your best potions and lost actions and you still can't stand in sh*t. In its way it's very unforgiving because it basically says "I don't care if you can take the dmg without dying: ignore/fail another mechanic and you're dead anyway!"

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

It's actually the opposit. The ‘Twice Comes Ruin’ debuff makes sure that you can't outheal/outshield/outgear mechanics and 'cheese' your way through them like it's usually the case with older content. You can pack your best potions and lost actions and you still can't stand in sh*t. In its way it's very unforgiving because it basically says "I don't care if you can take the dmg without dying: ignore/fail another mechanic and you're dead anyway!"

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I understand where you’re coming from but I’ll have to disagree. Personally I’d like to know how to ‘correctly’ deal with each mechanic so I can avoid eating dirt without knowing where were the roots of my own mistakes. Respect the mechanic, as people said. It also keeps the mechanic relevant relatively better in case overgearing starts to creep in; we’re seeing these alot in older raids at this point (although DRn syncs you anyway).

Though now that you mention it, they do add more of these “I don’t care if you can take dmg without dying”-stuffs. It sounded like whoever created the older mech doesn’t fancy playerbase’s creative ideas to cheese mechanics. One thing that comes in mind is comparing the vuln stack from the previous tier eden verse & the current dmg down (as severe as -50%? really SE?!) in eden’s promise savage raids when we take avoidable damage.

This seems like a lot of effort for a troll/satire thread.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I understand where you’re coming from but I’ll have to disagree. Personally I’d like to know how to ‘correctly’ deal with each mechanic so I can avoid eating dirt without knowing where were the roots of my own mistakes.

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But TcR doesn't tell you what you did wrong, only that you did something wrong. You don't need TcR for that, because usually you will also get a lot of dmg anyway as TcR is just a "add on" to the dmg you took for standing in something orange. If Trinity Seeker hits you with it cleave or Daru with his fire breath you get a TcR but you would still know what you did wrong because you should be dead or nearly dead anyway.

How to ‘correctly’ deal with each mechanic is easy: Don't stand in orange. Because you only get a TcR if you stood in orange (iirc, I'm not sure if miscounting your steps on Queen in DRn may or may not kill you directly)

That's why I said unforgiving instead of forgiving. The orange AOE may or may not kill you directly but even if you survive you still get your strike through TcR, making the next orange AOE 100% lethal for sure without any chance to survive, no matter how much you shield or buff yourself.

I looked up your logs and you should really consider using Aetherpact and Egi Assault I

also bahamut attacks every time you cast a spell, you're missing a lot of these bahamut attacks, the best bahamut is like this:

the best way to do bahamut is to use a ruin 4 (or 2) early to cast enkindle bahamut and have the last 3 spells be either ruin 4 or 2, in total you can have 8 bahamut attacks so you'll end up with 4 ruin 3s and 4 ruin 4s, but if you can't do that then just spam ruin 2 during your bahamut, it literally does more damage then ruin 4