Reaper & The 13th Shard Theory

When a shard dies, the souls of those people merge with their equivalents on the first, but what if the void can't be merged? Those souls were transformed. I have a theory that when the warrior of light utilizes the reaper job, they actually tap into the version of themselves that is within the void.

The thing though, is Cuchulain. We know that Cuchulain was the warrior of light on the 13th, so I don't know how this could work. Thoughts?

They were -a- Warrior of Light. It doesn't mean they were our reflection.

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think the Reaper Job's voidsent 'pet' will be literally what's left of their soul shard from the Thirteenth, but just a generic voidsent they've enthralled. It's already in the lore that voidsent can be easily bound by magic, so it's basically a non-event for Reaper to be able to do the same.

Personally I still think the WoL's Thirteenth Shard soul fragment is our certain white-robed, white-masked mage kid friend in the Rising Stones... but that's just my own theory so take that with a grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Personally I still think the WoL's Thirteenth Shard soul fragment is our certain white-robed, white-masked mage kid friend in the Rising Stones... but that's just my own theory so take that with a grain of salt.

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Sadly that was debunked with the side story in ShB.

He's not our reflection, but likely a reflection of either Taynor or Nyelbert.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Sadly that was debunked with the side story in ShB.

He's not our reflection, but likely a reflection of either Taynor or Nyelbert.

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Urk, figures (I haven't done all the ShB side quests yet so hence my ignorance sorry). Thank you for clarifying that. :)

I wonder then if SE have future plans for exactly who the WoL's '13th Shard's' counterpart/soul fragment is, and are thus keeping that in careful reserve. I hope we'll find out either way. :)

I personally hope the Voidsent is an OC and develops as a character.

But we will see. The demon reminds me of the creatures that appear in certain FF games when you cast Death spells.

Unless they do something of the wall crazy I'll just assume it's a blood pact of sorts hearkening to FF5 Necromancers with their pact command.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I personally hope the Voidsent is an OC and develops as a character.

But we will see. The demon reminds me of the creatures that appear in certain FF games when you cast Death spells.

Unless they do something of the wall crazy I'll just assume it's a blood pact of sorts hearkening to FF5 Necromancers with their pact command.

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I personally don't think Reaper is a necromancer. Necromancer feels more like an evil caster. I wouldn't mind something like that with very foul magic. Something even darker than black mage. Would have to be a few expansions from now though. I don't see much room in the lore for it yet. Maybe if we go to the 13th again.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I personally don't think Reaper is a necromancer. Necromancer feels more like an evil caster. I wouldn't mind something like that with very foul magic. Something even darker than black mage. Would have to be a few expansions from now though. I don't see much room in the lore for it yet. Maybe if we go to the 13th again.

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I don't think it's a necromancer. Is it somewhat inspired by necromancer? Sure, I'd believe that. But I don't see what Reaper does as summoning the dead or w/e. It's more like a pact with a demon.

I feel as though Cylva is more likely to be our shard from the 13th than the voidsent presented to us by Reaper who I feel is more akin to a random entity summoned and bound to a user of the job.

Time will tell though.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I personally hope the Voidsent is an OC and develops as a character.

But we will see. The demon reminds me of the creatures that appear in certain FF games when you cast Death spells.

Unless they do something of the wall crazy I'll just assume it's a blood pact of sorts hearkening to FF5 Necromancers with their pact command.

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The Specter reminded me of the FFX's Death, where it also has only it's upper body a single claw that is it's left, no face(as wearing a mask).

This Specter could be a redesign of that FFX being that you only saw when someone was casting death or doom.

As for lore reason probably just a lower tier voidsent bond by some specific magic, it may even try to break free when it becomes strong enough where we may get a bigger idea of what it is.

The job quests seem to be totally disconnected from MSQ story flow now, so I'm not even sure they'd bring up the concept of the shards and the Thirteenth at all, let alone fragmented souls, because someone might conceivably be doing it before they've even left ARR.

Though I suppose you can subtly gate it behind story by requiring certain locations for quests, like the dancer quests travelling to Ishgard and Ala Gannha forcing that much MSQ completion before you can access the destinations.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The job quests seem to be totally disconnected from MSQ story flow now, so I'm not even sure they'd bring up the concept of the shards and the Thirteenth at all, let alone fragmented souls, because someone might conceivably be doing it before they've even left ARR.

Though I suppose you can subtly gate it behind story by requiring certain locations for quests, like the dancer quests travelling to Ishgard and Ala Gannha forcing that much MSQ completion before you can access the destinations.

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Considering that it'll be taking place alongside the Shadowbringers MSQ, this could work. Gate the knowledge until level 80 and then drop the bomb. The level 90 quest we'll get could then expand upon it.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think the Reaper Job's voidsent 'pet' will be literally what's left of their soul shard from the Thirteenth, but just a generic voidsent they've enthralled. It's already in the lore that voidsent can be easily bound by magic, so it's basically a non-event for Reaper to be able to do the same.

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I suppose I'm fine either way, though I hope it's written with some flexibility for the sake of role-players.

Voidsent are capable of speech, thought and independent actions, so I'm eager to find out if we'll get to communicate with the Voidsent in question.

One of my 'out there' theories is that the creature is our job trainer, though I guess we'll see if that is true or not. :p

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Originally Posted by Theodric

One of my 'out there' theories is that the creature is our job trainer, though I guess we'll see if that is true or not. :p

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Well, considering the initial DRK Job trainer is

a corpse reanimated literally by your own dark side

, a voidsent Job trainer for Reaper would be right up that alley! :D

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Well, considering the initial DRK Job trainer is

a corpse reanimated literally by your own dark side

, a voidsent Job trainer for Reaper would be right up that alley! :D

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Bonus points if said voidsent Job trainer is actually

our shard from the 13th.

Still say Cylva has the better chance to be our reflection from the thirteenth. Unukalhai was not the only survivor the Ascians took in from the shard after all. Add to the fact it would make sense thematically if they kept trying to sway our reflections unknowingly or otherwise all this time. Cylva and Ardbert became Warriors of Darkness before us. Also, I don't think it fits for players who end up not playing reaper. Cylva is main scenario adjacent content and is tied to the thirteenth being restored. Reaper is just a job.

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

Still say Cylva has the better chance to be our reflection from the thirteenth. Unukalhai was not the only survivor the Ascians took in from the shard after all. Add to the fact it would make sense thematically if they kept trying to sway our reflections unknowingly or otherwise all this time. Cylva and Ardbert became Warriors of Darkness before us. Also, I don't think it fits for players who end up not playing reaper. Cylva is main scenario adjacent content and is tied to the thirteenth being restored. Reaper is just a job.

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*points at DRK* They already tied important character development about the WoL to the DRK questline in 30-50 and 60-70. This would just be more of the same.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

*points at DRK* They already tied important character development about the WoL to the DRK questline in 30-50 and 60-70. This would just be more of the same.

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Oh, I'm aware and enjoyed it immensely. But I just don't see the voidsent as anything more than say Summoner and the Egis. Sure it's important, but straight up integral to the main scenario by it being a shard of themselves that will never be rejoined and or used by players who don't level it? X to Doubt.

Dark Knight is a side of the WoL/D That is explored by allowing his/her Darkside to manifest itself by utilizing the Soul Crystal. Fray and Myste are just reflections made by an individual who is frustrated by the hopelessness of their situation and compartmentalizes it so they do not eat themselves up in regret. We give ourselves an enemy to fight because all who picked up the Soul Crystal and chose to walk that path see no other way to move forward. The ending of it's story is one of acceptance of their lot in life. The story is self contained. No bearings on the main scenario. A Red Mage going through the main scenario does not need to experience it's story to get the entirety of who Azem was/is.

Reaper on the other hand would have it's fingers on the pulse of the main story by having a shard of Azem being utilized as a damage buff. To me that feels like a waste considering what is being set up on the First in regards to the Thirteenth. What happens if/when that story becomes the focus of say, 7.0? 8.0? Is Reaper just the cannon job for everyone and one that needs to be played to get the true ending?

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

Reaper on the other hand would have it's fingers on the pulse of the main story by having a shard of Azem being utilized as a damage buff. To me that feels like a waste considering what is being set up on the First in regards to the Thirteenth. What happens if/when that story becomes the focus of say, 7.0? 8.0? Is Reaper just the cannon job for everyone and one that needs to be played to get the true ending?

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They'd go by what they've always done when it comes to job quests and the story, assume it's already done, and then never actually mention who your shard is while everything is going on, except for when they add the level cap quest for the job that does the "checkup" with the trainer. Canonically you've cleared all the job quests during or immediately after the X.0 storyline is done, but they can and will avoid mentioning certain events if you haven't done them. Remember, the game checks a data flag to see if you've cleared things for dialogue that requires a previous event to have been done.