Loot Rolls

I don't know if this is the proper use of the forums, but I would like to suggest to the FFXIV team some changes to the loot UI:

o When an item is rolled NEED by the only person eligible to roll NEED, all other players are automatically given PASS rolls.

o When there is current loot being rolled on, and when out of combat, the UI is automatically opened and remains open until a person selects NEED, GREED, or PASS.

o If possible, allow a person to still be eligible for loot even if they leave an instance. Some people, likely many trying out the game for free, may not be aware that once they leave an instance they forfeit loot.

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Originally Posted by Absintheminded

o When an item is rolled NEED by the only person eligible to roll NEED, all other players are automatically given PASS rolls.

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Why? Why stop other players from being able to greed on it?
It doesn't hurt the person Needing, and only wholesale prevents others from being able to get the item if the Needer doesn't want it.

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Originally Posted by Absintheminded

o When there is current loot being rolled on, and when out of combat, the UI is automatically opened and remains open until a person selects NEED, GREED, or PASS.

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Lol that could be nice. It bugs me in alliance raids when I'm waiting to see if I get a piece and someone just doesn't think it's important enough to roll on.

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Originally Posted by Absintheminded

o If possible, allow a person to still be eligible for loot even if they leave an instance. Some people, likely many trying out the game for free, may not be aware that once they leave an instance they forfeit loot.

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In theory this might be neat, but I don't know if SQEX system's can track this after people all go back to their home worlds.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Why? Why stop other players from being able to greed on it?
It doesn't hurt the person Needing, and only wholesale prevents others from being able to get the item if the Needer doesn't want it.

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The reason for the first suggestion is similar to the reason for the others; that is to not hold up everybody with a timer. There are people who will wait until the end of the timer so that others will get tired of waiting and leave, giving them the best odds at the loot. The first suggestion is just a logical thing to do. If anybody that is allowed to roll need does roll need, then those who do not have the option to roll need on that item to begin with have absolutely no chance of ending up with it. Just sitting on the timer waiting for people to give up is, at worst, a dirty thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Absintheminded

The reason for the first suggestion is similar to the reason for the others; that is to not hold up everybody with a timer. There are people who will wait until the end of the timer so that others will get tired of waiting and leave, giving them the best odds at the loot. [...] Just sitting on the timer waiting for people to give up is, at worst, a dirty thing to do.

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If this is really so widespread an issue it needs correcting, preventing people from rolling greed might not really address the problem...
Especially since the items people generally do this for are things everyone can need on, like mounts and minions and music and hairstyles.

People wait out the long loot timers on my datacenter way too often, usually on purpose but sometimes people just want to afk as soon as a duty ends and forget to roll before they leave.

I feel the timer is at least a minute too long, because abuse happens so much more often than legit reasons to need time like being disconnected. It's also a shield for deliberately afk people in alliance raids to be immune to kicking while loot is up.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

If this is really so widespread an issue it needs correcting, preventing people from rolling greed might not really address the problem...
Especially since the items people generally do this for are things everyone can need on, like mounts and minions and music and hairstyles.

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You haven't been trolled by loot timers, have you?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

If this is really so widespread an issue it needs correcting, preventing people from rolling greed might not really address the problem...

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Their suggestion doesn't really mean changing how anything works, just cutting out unnecessary waiting.

If people who can only roll greed or pass on their role have already been overruled by somebody rolling Need on that item, then it can just give the loot already instead of waiting for what has already been decided. Waiting a few minutes for the person who cba to press pass isn't going to change who gets it at that point.

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Originally Posted by Absintheminded

o When an item is rolled NEED by the only person eligible to roll NEED, all other players are automatically given PASS rolls.

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Great idea, I 100% support this

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Originally Posted by Absintheminded

o When there is current loot being rolled on, and when out of combat, the UI is automatically opened and remains open until a person selects NEED, GREED, or PASS.

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I agree with this also, it would be nice if the items you've already rolled or passed on are ignored by the system as well, just to streamline the whole process if you have lots of loot in the pool.
I noticed this is a pain while leveling tanks, I'm under some pressure to proceed swiftly, pull packs and navigate while also having look through the loot pool of 5 to 6 items trying to work out if an upgrade has dropped for me or not. It could certainly be a smoother process that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Absintheminded

o If possible, allow a person to still be eligible for loot even if they leave an instance. Some people, likely many trying out the game for free, may not be aware that once they leave an instance they forfeit loot.

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Not sure if it's possible to be honest but if it it is, sure.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

You haven't been trolled by loot timers, have you?

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I have.
Why?

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

Their suggestion doesn't really mean changing how anything works, just cutting out unnecessary waiting.

If people who can only roll greed or pass on their role have already been overruled by somebody rolling Need on that item, then it can just give the loot already instead of waiting for what has already been decided. Waiting a few minutes for the person who cba to press pass isn't going to change who gets it at that point.

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Oh! I misunderstood their suggestion.
That makes sense.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I have.
Why?




Oh! I misunderstood their suggestion.
That makes sense.

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I think you found the answer to your own question.

If the run is still going and there is no problem, you waiting to roll isnt trolling me. I will upgrade my gear mid run, but im fine waiting until after so i can fix glam too. No troll possible.

If the run is still going and there is a problem, your waiting is barely a troll. Someone causing problems and hiding behind loot timers is annoying, but fairly rare. And i dont initiate kicks anyway. If youre that bad, i probly left the run already. Cant troll me, i have better things to do then deal with you.

If the run is over, your wating to roll isnt trolling me. I made my roll, im all set. I can just go afk for 5 minutes, and come back to see what happened. Bathroom break, get a snack, stretch my legs - whatever i want. I have also waited out loot timers with rolls in the low single digits - while announcing that to chat. If you cant get me to leave with a roll of a 2, you might as well just get it over with because you wont just get handed the item. Again, no troll potential.

Hm. I always just assumed Need wasn't an automatic guaranteed get (if you're the only Need), it was just heavily weighted in favor. Like, figured it could conceivably be possible for a Need roll of 1 to lose out to a Greed roll of 99 or something.

Sometimes I just roll Greed instead of Need anyway, if it's something I'm not too bothered about missing out on.

I admit I sometimes cause a little delay on some things like minions and music rolls because I don't want to auto-need everything, and the UI does not tell me if I already have said minion or music (or TT Card?). So if I don't remember for those two or three item types I have to pull up the appropriate UI and search for them, and only THEN do I roll need if I don't have it, or greed, if I can, if I do already have it. It seems a mixed bag on if you can, on minions at least, roll on one you already have.

One thing I would love to see is an option to autogreed on everything with the ability to turn it off for an item (example: I will greed on everything I see, but if someone has called an item I don't want to roll on it). Auto-need is just asking for problems tbh.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Hm. I always just assumed Need wasn't an automatic guaranteed get (if you're the only Need), it was just heavily weighted in favor. Like, figured it could conceivably be possible for a Need roll of 1 to lose out to a Greed roll of 99 or something.

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Nope.
Winner goes to the highest Need roll.
If no one rolled need, the winner is the highest Greed roll.
Someone making greedy rolls can never take a drop from someone who Needs it.

Sorry to necro this thread, but I think when a dungeon ends, all loot rolls should be reduced to 20 or 30 seconds. A longer timer is fine while the party is still fighting. Don't really need to change anything else.

30s after the last person left the cutscene.