Scores on Frontline

Yoshida explained why we can't look Frontline's scores without waiting for this to finish?


It really is tiring trying to kick people who are dying AFK to let other teams win without having the data to support these kick. In Wow I can look the BG scores whenever you want.

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AFK player is quite obvious one, so I don't think ppl will vote against it?

If they're fully AFK, wouldn't it be all zeroes? You're invincible while in the base camp. Though I've never hung around in there to see if you lose it eventually.

can't be fully afk in pvp for the whole match. afk timer is only 2 minutes in pvp. they're just extremely lucky they didn't get vote kicked.

base camp invincibility is permanent.

The problem isn't so much that they're afk (necessarily), but that they're likely a bot that's either programmed to run around the map on their mount- or intentionally trying to lose quicker and evade the afk auto-kick by being a drain on their team or giving the enemy teams a source of Battle High.

It can be difficult to notice sometimes, but if you do see someone with unusual behavior like repeatedly running to the enemy territory alone and dying at a abnormally quick rate between respawns, chances are this is what they're doing. It's not always a bot, but more akin to someone intentionally letting themselves be killed as if they've given up and want the match to end sooner. I've called-out a few people for this behavior before, and they usually make a lame excuse and start acting like they're contributing. Unfortunately, vote kicking isn't always a solution, because the majority of your party may be apathetic, and at that point- what can you do?

By the time enough people notice what's happening, it's often too late for a vote kick to make a difference. Even then, to get a vote kick off people need to look at the chat to see the reasoning and...often it's a struggle getting people to look at the chat in the first place. :(

Luckily I haven't seen this sort of thing happen too frequently. In some cases, I'm not convinced it's even intentional so much as some people just being utterly lost when they sign up to PvP on a whim but don't know what to do.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If they're fully AFK, wouldn't it be all zeroes?

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It is the damage taken category where the numbers are, so that guy is either a bot or just on a sightseeing tour for his screenshot collection.
Either way just kick for griefing, only dumb thing is that you have to wait for 5min until you can do.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

The problem isn't so much that they're afk (necessarily), but that they're likely a bot that's either programmed to run around the map on their mount- or intentionally trying to lose quicker and evade the afk auto-kick by being a drain on their team or giving the enemy teams a source of Battle High.

It can be difficult to notice sometimes, but if you do see someone with unusual behavior like repeatedly running to the enemy territory alone and dying at a abnormally quick rate between respawns, chances are this is what they're doing. It's not always a bot, but more akin to someone intentionally letting themselves be killed as if they've given up and want the match to end sooner. I've called-out a few people for this behavior before, and they usually make a lame excuse and start acting like they're contributing. Unfortunately, vote kicking isn't always a solution, because the majority of your party may be apathetic, and at that point- what can you do?

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Let me ask you this. For 30 days in a row, in Frontline, I've lost every match due to the new exploit that Pre-Made teams are using. So, since the pick up group team is always going to lose, then why should they try? Does the pre-made team even care if the other teams try? Isn't the point that they want an easy, challenge free victory. Isn't that specifically why they are choosing to do the things that they do? What does it matter. I'm happy to play hard if I have a chance, but if there's no chance, why bother?

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Originally Posted by apophis13

Let me ask you this. For 30 days in a row, in Frontline, I've lost every match due to the new exploit that Pre-Made teams are using.

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I haven't PVPed lately.
What's this new exploit?

No idea, but it's something to do with Premades finding a way to all get on the same team despite the duty finder. No clue what they are doing, but they certainly are. It's become impossible for the pick up teams to win lately.

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Originally Posted by apophis13

No idea, but it's something to do with Premades finding a way to all get on the same team despite the duty finder. No clue what they are doing, but they certainly are. It's become impossible for the pick up teams to win lately.

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I mean, if you have any substantial proof or evidence that they're gaming the system somehow to trick whatever sorting algorithm for team distribution aside from "that team has a lot of battle fevers," I'd like to hear/see it. I've heard this cry wolf to explain why one team seemingly does better than the others as a default excuse so much since the first Frontlines modes that I always take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying its impossible, but I find it highly unlikely at this point in Frontlines after the universal forced freelancer. If it exists, I can't say it looks like a thing on Primal.

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Originally Posted by apophis13

Let me ask you this. For 30 days in a row, in Frontline, I've lost every match due to the new exploit that Pre-Made teams are using. So, since the pick up group team is always going to lose, then why should they try? Does the pre-made team even care if the other teams try? Isn't the point that they want an easy, challenge free victory. Isn't that specifically why they are choosing to do the things that they do? What does it matter. I'm happy to play hard if I have a chance, but if there's no chance, why bother?

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Then let me ask you this: why do you queue at all if it really is this way? If its really as hopeless as you insinuate that it is, how masochistic do you have to be to keep queuing just to actively throw the match? In the end you just waste the time and effort of others who might attempt to put up a fight by intentionally running to the enemy team to offer free kills. There's a difference between having no chance and actively being a detriment to the rest of your team.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

I mean, if you have any substantial proof or evidence that they're gaming the system somehow to trick whatever sorting algorithm for team distribution aside from "that team has a lot of battle fevers," I'd like to hear/see it. I've heard this cry wolf to explain why one team seemingly does better than the others as a default excuse so much since the first Frontlines modes that I always take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying its impossible, but I find it highly unlikely at this point in Frontlines after the universal forced freelancer. If it exists, I can't say it looks like a thing on Primal.



Then let me ask you this: why do you queue at all if it really is this way? If its really as hopeless as you insinuate that it is, how masochistic do you have to be to keep queuing just to actively throw the match? In the end you just waste the time and effort of others who might attempt to put up a fight by intentionally running to the enemy team to offer free kills. There's a difference between having no chance and actively being a detriment to the rest of your team.

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You are talking to an alt avatar and crystal frontline ladder beside one bot, you don't see any irregular.
If what he is claiming is true, you would see there is a gap between game won on ladder; but there is not

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Originally Posted by Cidel

I mean, if you have any substantial proof or evidence that they're gaming the system somehow to trick whatever sorting algorithm for team distribution aside from "that team has a lot of battle fevers," I'd like to hear/see it. I've heard this cry wolf to explain why one team seemingly does better than the others as a default excuse so much since the first Frontlines modes that I always take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying its impossible, but I find it highly unlikely at this point in Frontlines after the universal forced freelancer. If it exists, I can't say it looks like a thing on Primal.



Then let me ask you this: why do you queue at all if it really is this way? If its really as hopeless as you insinuate that it is, how masochistic do you have to be to keep queuing just to actively throw the match? In the end you just waste the time and effort of others who might attempt to put up a fight by intentionally running to the enemy team to offer free kills. There's a difference between having no chance and actively being a detriment to the rest of your team.

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No idea. I just know that about a month ago, I started losing every match. Now, I'm not saying that I'm good at PvP, but I did ok before that. Now, I lose every day, and my friends are telling me it's the same for them. I actually was having fun. Not sure what changed or what they are doing. But...mathematically, it's pretty uncertain to lose 30/30 matches.

As to your second question, I'm leveling my classes and doing the daily queues. Not sure what to say about that. Frontline isn't fun, but it gets you the better part of a level every run.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are talking to an alt avatar and crystal frontline ladder beside one bot, you don't see any irregular.
If what he is claiming is true, you would see there is a gap between game won on ladder; but there is not

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Did you grow up under powerlines or something? Why would a bot be complaining about fairness in an online PvP game?

The fact that I started a new character a few months ago and am leveling up the classes on this character is 100% immaterial to the discussion that we are having. So, if you can't stick to the topic at hand, perhaps you should see yourself out.

I tell you what, though. I do this every day as part of my queues. I'll let you know if I win a match or if I even see a match that is close. I'm telling you. Mathematically, there's an exploit of some kind being used. Either that, or we've happened upon a circumstance is a 100 to 1 liklihood. Obviously, the former is more probable than the later. Occam's razer says that the premades are exploiting the system.

Edit: Correction. I pulled out my calculator. The probability of this occurrence is 0.000521509%, which can also be expressed as 1 in 191751. You have a better chance of winning jumbo cactpot:) Much less than 1 in a 100. I mean, maybe it's just luck, but, you know, that's pretty unlikely:) That's 2/3 (your likelihood of losing) to the power of 30. So, your likelihood of losing 30 times in a row is the number above, but, yet, it has happened:)

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Originally Posted by apophis13

I tell you what, though. I do this every day as part of my queues. I'll let you know if I win a match or if I even see a match that is close. I'm telling you. Mathematically, there's an exploit of some kind being used. Either that, or we've happened upon a circumstance is a 100 to 1 liklihood. Obviously, the former is more probable than the later. Occam's razer says that the premades are exploiting the system.

Edit: Correction. I pulled out my calculator. The probability of this occurrence is 0.000521509%, which can also be expressed as 1 in 191751. You have a better chance of winning jumbo cactpot:) Much less than 1 in a 100. I mean, maybe it's just luck, but, you know, that's pretty unlikely:) That's 2/3 (your likelihood of losing) to the power of 30. So, your likelihood of losing 30 times in a row is the number above, but, yet, it has happened:)

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The reason why I thinks you are posting from an alt Avatar:

All jobs at 60
No record showing on Crystal Frontline ladder
No record from PvPasia
Crystal Frontline is not showing irregularity of people playing with premade glitch and it looks like every other dataceter except you have a bot user took the first place.
Asking you to post your current week's result in order to validate, but you ignore that post and post here only and repeat the same thing.

I don't think there is a glitch in current match up.
It doesn't translate into everyone else is cheating just because you are always losing.
It doesn't mean that you are default with 33% winning chance..

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The reason why I thinks you are posting from an alt Avatar:

All jobs at 60
No record showing on Crystal Frontline ladder
No record from PvPasia
Crystal Frontline is not showing irregularity of people playing with premade glitch and it looks like every other dataceter except you have a bot user took the first place.
Asking you to post your current week's result in order to validate, but you ignore that post and post here only and repeat the same thing.

I don't think there is a glitch in current match up.
It doesn't translate into everyone else is cheating just because you are always losing.
It doesn't mean that you are default with 33% winning chance..

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Yep, my character isn't at 80 yet. I'm working on it. Sorry this upsets you so much.

Personally, I think that you know what the glitch is in the current match up and don't want others to know about it. You mentioned on the other board that you know how to influence how the match ups work but didn't want to talk about it. Personally, I think that information would be far more interesting than how I choose to level up my character. I think that everyone would like to hear you expand upon this information.

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Originally Posted by apophis13

Yep, my character isn't at 80 yet. I'm working on it. Sorry this upsets you so much.

Personally, I think that you know what the glitch is in the current match up and don't want others to know about it. You mentioned on the other board that you know how to influence how the match ups work but didn't want to talk about it. Personally, I think that information would be far more interesting than how I choose to level up my character. I think that everyone would like to hear you expand upon this information.

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You are taking my word out of context to the next level
I am saying I am have strategy to improve my winning ratio, not the match up.
I am a known lone wolf player on Primal and I know how to manipulate people's Horde mindset to my advantage.
I am not interesting in teach that guy I am talking to because all he did is blame on S/E for his own issue.
Please get your fact straight.
There is no glitch in match up.
I won my game solo fair and straight.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The reason why I thinks you are posting from an alt Avatar:

All jobs at 60
No record showing on Crystal Frontline ladder
No record from PvPasia
Crystal Frontline is not showing irregularity of people playing with premade glitch and it looks like every other dataceter except you have a bot user took the first place.
Asking you to post your current week's result in order to validate, but you ignore that post and post here only and repeat the same thing.

I don't think there is a glitch in current match up.
It doesn't translate into everyone else is cheating just because you are always losing.
It doesn't mean that you are default with 33% winning chance..

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At any rate, since you want to hear my life's story for some bizarre reason. I've played off an on for a few years. A few months back, a group of friends of mine from a different hobby, including myself and my wife, decided to start a FF group with new characters on Goblin. We hadn't played in a while, and with the new expac coming out decided to try it again. But, then two of the players got into an argument, and one quit. Then, the third person started being flaky. So, my wife and I still do MSQ twice a week on Mondays and Thursdays. We're in Stormblood now. I'm sure we'll catch up before the expac. In addition to Mondays and Thursdays, I do my dailies every day and level up crafting and do sidequests and other stuff while waiting for queues. This is the only character that I'm playing at the moment, because we're trying to finish the MSQ, which I've never done before because I've either gotten bored or went to another game or whatever. Does that satisfy your bizarre curiosity?

Now, since I shared, please tell us how this exploit works so that they can fix it, and everyone can have a fair experience again.

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Originally Posted by apophis13

At any rate, since you want to hear my life's story for some bizarre reason. I've played off an on for a few years. A few months back, a group of friends of mine from a different hobby, including myself and my wife, decided to start a FF group with new characters on Goblin. We hadn't played in a while, and with the new expac coming out decided to try it again. But, then two of the players got into an argument, and one quit. Then, the third person started being flaky. So, my wife and I still do MSQ twice a week on Mondays and Thursdays. We're in Stormblood now. I'm sure we'll catch up before the expac. In addition to Mondays and Thursdays, I do my dailies every day and level up crafting and do sidequests and other stuff while waiting for queues. This is the only character that I'm playing at the moment, because we're trying to finish the MSQ, which I've never done before because I've either gotten bored or went to another game or whatever. Does that satisfy your bizarre curiosity?

Now, since I shared, please tell us how this exploit works so that they can fix it, and everyone can have a fair experience again.

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I do not care about your personal life or your life in FF14
I was trying to find out the truth of your claim of so called match up glitch when I heard nothing from JP and EN side.
So please, give us some solid evidence to back up your claim.

Crystal ladder looks fine just same as every datacenter, so where is the evidence to backup your accuse of people are cheating with match up glitch?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are taking my word out of context to the next level
I am saying I am have strategy to improve my winning ratio, not the match up.
I am a known lone wolf player on Primal and I know how to manipulate people's Horde mindset to my advantage.
I am not interesting in teach that guy I am talking to because all he did is blame on S/E for his own issue.
Please get your fact straight.
There is no glitch in match up.
I won my game solo fair and straight.

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Oh, well. Maybe I'm just absurdly unlucky. 1 in 100,000 unlucky. If there is a glitch, they'll find it and fix it. Until then, the match ups still give XP. I originally came to this board just trying to figure out what the heck was going on. I figured if there was a new exploit that everyone would be talking about it. I guess I could just be having a bad run. I wouldn't mind finishing my 100 wins or whatever, as I'm a third of the way there, but I'm more interested in leveling my classes. Guess we'll find out in time.

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Originally Posted by apophis13

Oh, well. Maybe I'm just absurdly unlucky. 1 in 100,000 unlucky. If there is a glitch, they'll find it and fix it. Until then, the match ups still give XP. I originally came to this board just trying to figure out what the heck was going on. I figured if there was a new exploit that everyone would be talking about it. I guess I could just be having a bad run. I wouldn't mind finishing my 100 wins or whatever, as I'm a third of the way there, but I'm more interested in leveling my classes. Guess we'll find out in time.

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The only recommendation to you right now is check your Crystal matchboard and locate one player who has high kill count and low assist count.
Be nice and ask him if you can team up with him and learn from how he moves, how he kills, and when he will retreat.
That is it, very simple.
There is no glitch, you just need to spend some effort to work on your skill