WHM - One Request SE - PLEASE PLEASE!!!

Give WHM's one insta-cast cure. Cure, Cura, and Curaga are all fine. I would request only one cure ability (maybe heals for more than cure and less than cura) where it can be done on the move.

It cannot be stopped by animation lag, or movement. Regardless of what you're doing at that moment, it gets cast.

I just hate how EVERY SINGLE whm ability requires you to stand in place for 1-3 seconds. You may be even completely stopped and it still says "You cannot cast ability" while moving.

Heck, make it on a long cooldown, like 30 seconds to a minute.... I would hate to be caught in bud luck where you have to move at the exact time a tank is about to die, and there's nothing you can do about it. I'm not asking to make this like other games (wow/swtor).

Only ONE insta-cast cure for those "Oh poop" moments....

Benediction?! >_>;

Fair enough... but that's our 15 minute ability which is an AOE heal and causes immense agro. Benediction cannot be used as part of a cure cycle and if it's successful at curing the party, it's also successful in getting full agro to you, potentially causing a wipe.

he is right, WHM need a ability like Wish in FFT (final Fantasy Tactics)

sacrifice your own HP to heal double on HP on a target. will take off like 500HP on whm and heal like 1k make it a ability recast 45sec

will help for this (we runing) or when mobs do a big Nockdown ability or AOEs you have to run like multy-pulmes ifrit under25%

Bendition no apply for this situations cause is AOE range on WHM short circle WHM will have to be too closed to tank to be able to affected and this wont work

need a Ability 8 yalms Rage same as a cure

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Originally Posted by carlosx

he is right, WHM need a ability like Wish in FFT (final Fantasy Tactics)

sacrifice your own HP to heal double on HP on a target. will take off like 500HP on whm and heal like 1k make it a ability recast 45sec

will help for this (we runing) or when mobs do a big Nockdown ability or AOEs you have to run like multy-pulmes ifrit under25%

Bendition no apply for this situations cause is AOE range on WHM short circle WHM will have to be too closed to tank to be able to affected and this wont work

need a Ability 8 yalms Rage same as a cure

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Don't suggest to implement Martyr from FFXI is a sin here. But seriously is a nice idea i like it

At least 1 instant cast heal would be very nice!
Even if it takes a good amount of MP, or my own HP like Wish, and only affects 1 target.

There have been so many times in Cutter's Cry when a fully buffed Black Mage's HP still goes from full to 0 before a cure spell even charges = very sad White Mage. T.T

I'd like this too. There's still some Cure-line spells in the series that we don't have yet, but I think for an instant cast emergency heal it should have a long recast. Maybe it can be Curaja?

Making it an ability isn't a bad idea though, so it wouldn't be usable with Sacred Prism and we wouldn't have to start tacking on arbitrary exceptions to things.

After exping in my first party last night the only request I have is to lower the recast time on Cure by 2 seconds. I found that there were times that I just couldn't cure fast enough because I was sitting waiting for recast timers. Even if cure is adjusted to be a little weaker that's fine. I'd just like to not have those times sitting waiting on recast timers

Once you get presence of mind I think it is? You can reduce the cast time of any spell and nullify the recast on it, so that you can pop 2 Cura in the time it would take 1 Cura. Great for those moments. Im only 35 WHM so I can't gauge what WHM needs yet, but at such a level, aslong as you're using stoneskin as often as you can and maybe regen if you have it, it isn't too much of an issue. Personally I AoE stoneskin if I have the chance, so I can focus more on the tank.

Presence of mind + cura = instant heal
Not sure if it also works with benediction.. will have to try that out soon

If it does, that would be amazing and a life sentence in one heh.

I don't like healing, but an instant heal would be nice. Benediction hass too short a range, and Presence of Mind+ Cura = same time it takes to cast cura by itself.

What situations are you getting in to struggle to cure people?

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I don't like healing, but an instant heal would be nice. Benediction hass too short a range, and Presence of Mind+ Cura = same time it takes to cast cura by itself.

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Yeah I worded that one wrong. I meant you can cast Cura twice during the time a regular Cura due to the recast timer on it, he was struggling on not being able to cast Cure due to the recast on it, perhaps he meant Cures. Seeing as Cure and Cura are two different spells he has at his disposal.

In endgame situations.... it would be such a waste to use Presence of Mind for Cura.... Presence of Mind is used for Raise and it's a godsend if one of the healers goes down, and you're able to raise them in two seconds....

I would never consider using presence of mind+cura ...it almost always has to be saved for raise.

Yes I would like this, especially for PVP. Or give bard some actual USEFUL songs that can reduce recast times. The bard songs in this game make me sad with how meh they are in compared to alllllll the other mmo I've played.

Lack of an instant cure spell is not game breaking -- but since White Mage is mainly expected to heal and keep the party members alive, having one instant cast heal would be a welcome addition, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Leoheart

What situations are you getting in to struggle to cure people?

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Usually in Cutter's Cry and Aurum Vale where your party can get overrun by monsters -- either all the soldier ants that spawn around Princess or Chimera, or because the standard tactic is for the tank to pull all monsters from a room into one area and let the Black mages AoE bomb them.

Fairly often a Black Mage or White Mage (after a heal) will draw hate from multiple enemies and quickly go from full HP to dead before anyone can sub-target them and get a cure spell cast.

The pulling & bombing situation can be avoided by simply not doing it -- but that means no more speed runs, nor the rewards that are only obtainable that way.

Anyway, for me it would be a "nice to have" but not a "must have".

I think Benediction would be it. If your tank is near death and you must pop bene, then good. In the end if you didn't, tank was going to die anyways :D Plus if you do things right, you shouldn't get too much hate from Bene. I know I haven't had much trouble getting rid of hate from it.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Lack of an instant cure spell is not game breaking -- but since White Mage is mainly expected to heal and keep the party members alive, having one instant cast heal would be a welcome addition, IMO.



Usually in Cutter's Cry and Aurum Vale where your party can get overrun by monsters -- either all the soldier ants that spawn around Princess or Chimera, or because the standard tactic is for the tank to pull all monsters from a room into one area and let the Black mages AoE bomb them.

Fairly often a Black Mage or White Mage (after a heal) will draw hate from multiple enemies and quickly go from full HP to dead before anyone can sub-target them and get a cure spell cast.

The pulling & bombing situation can be avoided by simply not doing it -- but that means no more speed runs, nor the rewards that are only obtainable that way.

Anyway, for me it would be a "nice to have" but not a "must have".

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For Aurum vale, if a Warrior Collusions a mage before they use Flare/Firaga/Whatever, you can coordinate with the others to use Quelling Strike. With that and Steel Cyclone the mages shouldn't be taking hate. It also helps for Sleepga to be thrown around before the mages begin casting. It also helps IMMENSELY for the WHMs to begin spamming Curaga the exact moment you see people's stoneskin wear off. If you do it soon enough you and another WHM can continuously top everyone off with the Curaga spread if everyone's hp isn't too low.

As Arty has also said, get use out of Benediction. Most speed runs tough it out through one of the poison rooms and get the fruit for the other. It's a perfect time to use Benediction as that is what it's there for, everyone is gathered together for Curagas anyway, and it will be up by the time you will probably need it again (the boss). I can only vouch for Aurum Vale, though.

Hell, thinking about it now, Pre-emptive Curagas is perfect for BLM aoe bombing if you can practice timing it right. When it lands it will automatically hit whoever needed it.

I keep hearing this about bene being a death sentence, and i Know it was for the most part in 11 cus it actually had a built in threat modifier, but in 14 it seems to only generate as much hate as an equal amount of curing would. I'm main tank and whm is more my pet project, but I've never seen a whm pull using bene nor have I done so myself. Perhaps in exp situations, but for endgame (speed runs, moogle, ifrit) I've never seen it happen. Even in Chim fight (which seems to me to be the only time whms ever pull threat, and the new changes to emnity materia should alleviate that even for groups whose tanks don't have HDL).

That said, use bene more without fear tbh. As to the topic at hand, a hi mp cost, long recast isntant cure would be really nice I think. Perhaps as an ability that sacrifices hp (there aren't currently abilites that use up mp are there?) would work as well. Just something we can do in the space of a single "ability crouch."

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Originally Posted by Estellios

For Aurum vale, if a Warrior Collusions a mage before they use Flare/Firaga/Whatever, you can coordinate with the others to use Quelling Strike. With that and Steel Cyclone the mages shouldn't be taking hate. It also helps for Sleepga to be thrown around before the mages begin casting. It also helps IMMENSELY for the WHMs to begin spamming Curaga the exact moment you see people's stoneskin wear off. If you do it soon enough you and another WHM can continuously top everyone off with the Curaga spread if everyone's hp isn't too low.

As Arty has also said, get use out of Benediction. Most speed runs tough it out through one of the poison rooms and get the fruit for the other. It's a perfect time to use Benediction as that is what it's there for, everyone is gathered together for Curagas anyway, and it will be up by the time you will probably need it again (the boss). I can only vouch for Aurum Vale, though.

Hell, thinking about it now, Pre-emptive Curagas is perfect for BLM aoe bombing if you can practice timing it right. When it lands it will automatically hit whoever needed it.

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Thanks for the tips!
I guess I should be a bit more liberal with the Curagas.

I'm usually locked onto the tank as main healer, and tend to be more reactionary when I see a Black Mage starting to take damage... but by then it's often too late even with another White Mage healing the rest of the party.

I'll talk with the other WHM and adjust our strategy a bit. It should work in Cutter's Cry as well. I've only been into Aurum Vale a few times and it usually did not end well. ^^;

Yea a big thing is that as some people have said, use Benediction whenever it's necessary. It's only 15 min recast, the enmity isn't insta-death like in 11, and it's only useful if you actually use it.

For Aurum Vale I've been using it at the tail end of the first room (the one we go through without fruits) as we have a lot of enemies and once everyone dips around 50% its best to use it then because by that point just straight healing is pretty much impossible. Once me and other WHMs started getting more confident with our benediction usage the runs became infinitely smoother.

This is a great suggestion and it would be a fun spell for WHM, but currently the dev. team doesn't have any plans to implement this at the moment. Well, here's to hoping! :D

Aw lames ; ;

All I'm seeing here is a case of, "DDs and Tanks need to watch both their HP levels and how far away they are from their dedicated healers."

I've seen people run away to the next mobs with flashing red HP, while I'm in the middle of casting a Cura. Stop it people!

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

This is a great suggestion and it would be a fun spell for WHM, but currently the dev. team doesn't have any plans to implement this at the moment. Well, here's to hoping! :D

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Thanks for answering, even if the answer is no :D

I like the idea. It would have not much more impact than say some of the higher potions. Heck... I'd even like to see a "trade HP" ability... sort of a reverse vampirism between the WHM and the target ally. That would be perfect for thoes uh-oh moments. Call it "Sacrifice of Light" or something.

Just tested Presence of Mind with Benediction. Doesn't work. So, can't cast Benediction twice back to back.

I agree with having some kind of a cure spell that I can cast while moving. The BRD AF body quest is really difficult because you have to keep moving with your party members as they fight and kite.

Back on the Martyr discussion: What if there was a 2 hour spell that:
1. Raised and cured all party members with full HP/MP
2. Protected and Stoneskinned all party members
3. Hit/possibly binding all mobs in AOE
Now, for what it would cost the WHM
1. Death
2. Once revived/returned WHM is at Brink of Death for 5 minutes
3. All gear equipped by WHM is at 0%

While it would be an awesome spell, it would not change the role of the WHM as the cost would be so high. I'll keep hoping ^^

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Originally Posted by Alfar

Just tested Presence of Mind with Benediction. Doesn't work. So, can't cast Benediction twice back to back.

I agree with having some kind of a cure spell that I can cast while moving. The BRD AF body quest is really difficult because you have to keep moving with your party members as they fight and kite.

Back on the Martyr discussion: What if there was a 2 hour spell that:
1. Raised and cured all party members with full HP/MP
2. Protected and Stoneskinned all party members
3. Hit/possibly binding all mobs in AOE
Now, for what it would cost the WHM
1. Death
2. Once revived/returned WHM is at Brink of Death for 5 minutes
3. All gear equipped by WHM is at 0%

While it would be an awesome spell, it would not change the role of the WHM as the cost would be so high. I'll keep hoping ^^

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Way too potent to be viable at all. The benefits make it ridiculously broken, to the point where it's expected to be used if things ever get close to bad. The gear damage makes it so that the majority of WHMs would never want to use it ever. There are work arounds such as macros to unequip all your gear but that causes more problems in and of itself (how long it takes, you might die by that point, etc, etc.) Not a good idea at all.

I agree a sort of sacrifice thing would be nice, something like takes half your current HP and cures target for that amount. Nothing too spectacular.