I'll be blunt: I'm not sure the direction the healers are going in is the correct one. There's more identity stripping in an effort to balance the healers further, even though, if nothing happens, AST is still going to be the undisputed best healer for the same reason that SCH was the best healer in HW: The mechanics it has just allows it to excel. Now, we're going to have to pick one healer from column A and one healer from column B. Not to mention, this stripping of healer DPS probably had the opposite effect that SE wanted. I can only assume the reduction of healer DPS skills was to reduce the stress on healers to DPS, having lesser skilled healers feel more comfortable to DPS. However, lesser skilled healers aren't going to DPS regardless, and higher skilled healers feel even more pressured to DPS since a single lost cast of their main DPS skill just hurts so terribly.
So, that being said, what I wish they'd do for healers:
In general:
1) Return one DoT to each healer: Aero III for WHM, a new AoE DoT for AST, and Miasma and Bane for SCH. With an 18s DoT as well as it being AoE, this can feel like healer dps is slightly more active without it being overly complex like a true DPS role. This does mean a bit more for a healer to keep track of, but that's what healers generally want. At a certain point, most healers aren't even paying attention to party health unless they're really screwing the pooch on mechanics.
2) 1.5s cast times with the 2.5 GCD: This seems like a necessity at this point for WHM and SCH. The 1.5s cast time is really what allows AST to be so strong since it can DPS and use oGCDs without that much lost in term of Malefic casts. For WHM, they're expected to heal or clip their DoT before they can use important stuff like Presence of Mind or Assize, and SCH has to use Ruin II or their DoT as well. Ruin II isn't even a SCH spell at this point: it's a holdover from Arcanist. Like, it's kinda bananas that the job that's known for oGCD healing is basically punished for oGCD healing.
3) Piety gains an additional DPS benefit: Right now, Piety is a complete dump stat like Accuracy was before it was changed. Most healers would rather cut their piety down to 0 because it's really not that needed since most healing is done by Piety-less sources. It's mainly a cap on how many Raises you can perform before you're dry now. If Piety had some sort of dps benefit, then maybe my relic book wouldn't feel stronger than the Augmented tome book, which is 15 ilevels higher, btw. Personally, I'd like to see Direct Hit become DPS locked, but incorporate the Direct hit effect into Healer Piety and Tank Tenacity. This makes those stats more valuable since it carries something players like, and all the Tenacity/Piety gear has more of a use.
WHM:
Honestly, outside of what I mentioned in the general area, I don't think WHM really needs a whole lot. The only thing I would really change is how Afflatus Misery works. Instead of it only being usable when it has 3 charges and it being less than 3 Glare casts, have it be usable at any charge and how much the Blood Lily is open determines how many Misery charges you have. Oh, and on top of all that, it's directly equal to a Glare (or Glare II, if we get it) cast. This basically becomes a Triple Cast for WHM. On top of the 1.5s cast times, WHM will be extremely mobile, and that's good for a lot of kiting mechanics that exist in Savage content. Misery might have to be split into a single target version and a multi-target version that's proportional to Holy.
SCH:
Hooo boy. Honestly, if nothing changes about SCH come Endwalker, and SGE is at least competently built, I can't say many people will play SCH. At level 80, I shouldn't feel like I have an incomplete kit. Why can't SCH have a true Cure II equivalent? Or a shield less Succor? Why to I need to use a cooldown that has no other benefit than turning my shield heals into raw heals? It doesn't even make them heal for more or cost less MP. What is even the point other than counteracting Doom mechanics or having to cast a second Succor because you already used Indom? Oh, and let's not even bring up the fact if you, heaven forbid, died. SCH is probably going to need a massive overhaul.
1) Aetherflow, as it exists, is probably going to have to go. Aetherflow used to be a mechanic SCH got to access powerful oGCD healing tools with relatively short cooldowns at the cost of another resource and potential DPS. However, as the Expansions went on and the other healers also gained powerful oGCD tools, Aetherflow now feels like it's a punishment rather than a benefit. SE tried to get rid of Energy Drain at the beginning of the expansion which made Aetherflow virtually pointless and nearly non-functional. In 5.4, they nerfed it as punishment for SCH using it. It's painfully clear that SE does not want SCH to have Energy Drain. Honestly, I'd rather they scrap the whole thing before SCH becomes the next MNK.
2) Greater importance of the Fey Gauge: Right now, you can basically ignore this gauge and lose nearly nothing. It provides a rather weak single target regen and a healing AoE that is so weak and has such a long cooldown, I don't even know why it costs Fey Gauge. I'd like to see every fairy skill cost some fey gauge to use while these fairy skills have their cooldowns either removed or greatly reduced to compensate. It could be charged through Broil casts or Embrace casts if we ditch Aetherflow.
3) Two different fairies again: While I will say I think Selene, as she used to be, was not very good, I don't think making the fairies carbon copies of each other was the right move either. I'd rather see one be a regen fairy (Eos) and one be a shield fairy (Selene). While this will make Eos the stronger fairy 99% of the time, this does give Selene some niche again and not as glamour. Also, if we get rid of Aetherflow, I propose Dissipation (which is also a garbage skill, why does this still exist) becomes Double Summon, where you can bring out the fairy not currently summoned.
Edit: 4) Added effects for shields: So, right now, SCH shields are pretty bad if you don't get a Critlo. Not to mention Deployment is kinda clunky to use because Adloquium has a cast time. If SCH can get a true Physick II, Adloqium can become an instant cast for better use of Deployment. In addition, Emergency Tactics can get a new effect that kind of acts like an AoE Excogitation, but if the shield breaks before it falls off, the power Emergency Tactics/Excogitation will go up. It's not much of an added effect, but it is something that you can plan around using.
AST:
1) Flopping the sects of Collective Unconcious and Celestial Opposition: I think this change would bring the sects more in line with each other, also meaning AST might have to fall back on GCD healing more, which might lower it's pDPS contribution (which is a good thing for such a powerful healer)
2) Return Time Dilation: AST has a larger focus on single-target cards, making this a good skill for that purpose. However, I think if it was changed so that it only affected cards and not anything else, as well as AST being able to target itself in case its alone, it would be more fair.
Note: I don't think we can go back to the old card system like many people want for the simple fact of the matter is: It just took up too much of ASTs job skills. I mean, if we look at how ASTs job skills used to be, 4 out of 6 of the 30-50 skills were dedicated to card management. AST didn't even get it's AoE (Gravity) until 52. And if we look overall, Celestial Opposition, Time Dilation, and Sleeve Draw, as well as the Malefic upgrades left very little room for actual new AST skills. I mean, this is probably the most healing tools AST received at a single time.
What I wish would happen to Healers come Endwalker
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04-21-2021, 05:41 AMinhaledcornWhat I wish would happen to Healers come Endwalker
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04-21-2021, 07:05 AMJaelommiss
Please no. Healers are already incredibly homogenized. Removing everything the makes their playstyles distinct instead of working to solve the flaws introduced by what little diversity remains will only increase homogeneity.
Not every healer needs identical offensive kits and dots. Not every healer needs identical GCD healing spells. Not every healer needs identical cast times.
One or two good ideas, but they're so densely surrounded in homogenization that I'd stop healing entirely if all of these changes were introduced. -
04-21-2021, 07:28 AMinhaledcornSo, you're saying you're fine with AST being the only one who can comfortably weave oGCDs without clipping? You remember how badly PLD functioned when its stances were on the GCD? The change to PLD's stances had to happen in order for PLD to function at a competent level. Either AST and WHM also get something like Ruin II for weaving or WHM and SCH get the 1.5s cast times, but, either way, these are essential tools that the healers need to function. It's like SCH still not having a Cure II at lv80, and it suffers terribly for it.Quote:
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04-21-2021, 07:49 AMRongwayCure II potency: 700Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
Adloquium potency: 300 [base] + 375 [galvanize] = 675
Adloquium relative power: 675/700 ≈ 96.43%
Assuming a WHM and SCH with the same crit multiplier cmult:
Crit Cure II potency: 700 * cmult
Crit Adloquium potency: (300 [base] + 375 [galvanize] + 375 [catalyze]) * cmult = 1050 * cmult
Crit Adloquium relative power: (1050 * cmult) / (700 * cmult) = 150%
To say that SCH doesn't have a Cure II is a bit disingenuous. Adloquium has a high effective potency that is only rendered ineffective if someone needs to be healed from 1 to full immediately; and these cases are typically planned for and can be worked around through effective allocation of Recitation, Emergency Tactics, and Excogitation. -
04-21-2021, 08:01 AMinhaledcornIt's also far more expensive than a Cure II and cannot be spammed, unlike a Cure II. It also doesn't work well on someone just revived from death, meaning SCH has to either use Physick, which is terrible, or use a Lustrate, which might cuts into their planned cooldown usage and definitely cuts into their DPS contribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rongway
And, that's three cooldowns + 2 GCDs what it can take the other two jobs to do with 1 cooldown and a GCD, and this is assuming you even have those cooldowns to use. WHM and AST can use oGCDs to heal, but SCH needs oGCDs to heal. It's a bit odd that the job that's supposed to be a tactician has literally 0 backup plans. -
04-21-2021, 08:05 AMSieyaM
Really we are stuck with thinking that the only other thing healers can do is DPS when there is the option of adding support or debuff abilities to their kits. I think SCH would thematically fit with having a few Debuff abilities, or even just bringing back shadowflare would be an excellent start towards more activity for healers.
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04-21-2021, 08:17 AMSemirhageI like several of the ideas here, but god I can't contain my eye rolling when I see "WHM doesn't need a lot". Riddle me this. (All three healers are boring for basically the same reasons) -> (lol only two of them need huge reworks and the third one will be totally fun with minimal changes)? I'm not seeing the logic between the steps there.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
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04-21-2021, 08:30 AMJaelommissNo, and I never said that. There are plenty of ways to give all three healers adequate weaving opportunities, but using the same method for all three healers is absolutely homogenization. The fact that this is done for all three casters proves that it is possible. Claiming that all healers MUST use the same design to facilitate weaving can only possibly be supported by being ignorant to the systems already present in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
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04-21-2021, 03:41 PMAnotherPersonWe do not need all healers to be homogenized even further where they literally all play the same. I rather they have SCH actually make their faerie skills activate without being on the GCD or oGCD - treat it as an independent pet whose actions can be used without the scholar giving the command because the current oGCD command creates a very long delay for the pet to activate it between Embraces. If we can manually have the faerie hardcast the skill without spending an oGCD or break our GCD, that would be better. It will make it feel like an actual pet rather than a clunky and slow method to get an oGCD heal whose activation timing varies between 1 to 3 seconds after the initial cast. Plus, it'll differentiate the healers - AST may have oGCDs they can use whereas SCH faerie's abilities are subject to a cast timer, but can be cast concurrently with their GCD skills. In this manner, you can control your faerie heals much better without having to clip or have your faerie oGCDs fight for aetherflow oGCD weave slots. I do still agree that they should get some more weave slots though, but it definitely shouldn't be solved by just making every skill have a 1.5 cast time.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
Yes, but also no. Piety is a stat that people use in prog and adjusted for comfort. No healers cut their piety down to 0 outside of a controlled setting because if you queue up in Duty Finder, you get screwed over by not having enough natural MP regen if the party is new and the healer end up spending a lot of MP to heal mistakes. Ideally, Piety should be adjusted to get a bit more bang for its buck by giving it a slight DPS boost, but simply letting healers stack piety because it's the healer equivalent for DPS materia makes it so we no longer have any MP management left. At that point, you might as well remove the MP bar entirely from healers.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
We have a Cure II equivalent called Adloquium, but we aren't supposed to be relying on it so heavily in the first place because we have a plethora of oGCD skills for that instead, which is enough to cover the damage for most content if you're using the skills effectively - that is where the 'tactics' in SCH takes into play. It's not meant to play like WHM who can bank on GCD heals for raw Hp healing when things go wrong. If the damage is that high that you cannot heal everything, then you should be also relying on your cohealer to cover the remaining damage as well. A shield healer really doesn't heal people to full hp, they heal enough to ensure the party survives the next mechanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
SCH just needs more free GCD weave slots outside of Ruin II that doesn't create a DPS loss to properly use all the oGCDs that move resources around. This can be done in a couple of ways -Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
1. The SMN treatment - give Ruin II an temporary buff and that replaces Ruin II it into Ruin IV with a stack of Ruination. You can save up for a free oGCD weave slot and hold it until you need it. At the same time, if you spend your stacks inefficiently, you can still use Ruin II to weave, but you would be punished for your own mistake by paying up a DPS cost.
2. Assuming SCH can get more DPS tools, give SCH Instant cast GCD DPS tools that are used in the SCH DPS rotation so they have more free weave windows, but Ruin II would be used for emergencies when those windows aren't up.
3. Energy Drain is decoupled from Aetherflow, Energy Drain is still an oGCD skill but has 3 charges, with a 30 second charge timer. This will enable Ruin II to be used more frequently, unless you blow all your stacks on your burst window - in which case you have to make the choice between whether using Ruin II without Energy Drain is a DPS gain in the next 30 seconds, or you would be able to avoid Ruin II alone by the time you need a weave window again. Essentially, you have to plan your GCDs accordingly after, which fits the 'tactical' part of SCH imo.
I think Aetherflow and Energy Drain should be decoupled while removing the weaker oGCD heals the SCH has in its kit - this is to move Aetherflow's importance a bit higher in heal priority while at the same time removing the weaker oGCD heals that take up a weave slot. Aetherflow is how SCH regains MP, so I think this mechanic should be kept. As for unused stacks, I think Aetherflow should be allowed to stack up to 6 times instead, but each use of Aetherflow only gives 3 stacks. This is to help avoid overcapping excess Aetherflow stacks / be able to utilize Aetherflow stacks for more heavy healing phases and avoid wasting them when they aren't needed. However, if you don't use aetherflow stacks by the time you reach 6 stacks on the third aetherflow window (180 seconds), you would just be overcapping like how WHM overcaps with 3 lilies (90 seconds).
Since Energy Drain would be decoupled, it should either be just a regular oGCD DPS skill with 3 charges that either
1. regenerates 500 MP on hit (ideally, you would have at least 1 charge used on CD like Assize)
2. or remove the MP regeneration and Aetherflow gives 1500 MP every 60 seconds to account for the change.
Heavy agree that Fey Gauge should have more importance - Currently, we either use Fey Gauge once for Fey Blessing (which is really weak AoE Heal every 60 seconds and barely consumes the Gauge), or we use it for a regen tether, except tethering an ally prevents us from using the other faerie oGCDs unless we break the tether - which creates the current oGCD tax for re-tethering. There's also a lot of instances where you could overcap on Fey Gauge due to the way it works. Making the faerie be able to cast these concurrently with our spells would be the best way to go about this since they'll actually be free after.
Alternatively, they could make the Fey Gauge be a resource that the SCH uses that doesn't require the faerie to be out - this resource is accessible during Dissipation to make Dissipation less clunky - you would be able to consume a decent amount of Fey Gauge to activate your version of an oGCD Whispering Dawn (These oGCD skills would share a cooldown with the Faerie's version so while you wouldn't be gatekeeped away from all your oGCDs, you still have to properly manage their usage). In Addition, using Dissipation can also grant some Fey Gauge to guarantee you can at least access one of your faerie's oGCD so you won't feel that powerless if you used it in an unplanned scenario. -
04-21-2021, 04:32 PMLariaKirinA big "No, thanks" from me on the 1.5s cast time. AST can keep it and WHM could use some mobility and weaving tools.Quote:
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04-21-2021, 07:51 PMWaxSw
I like the idea of giving more dots to all the healers and selene coming back, I think its very needed but regarding of Sch there are few things I dont agree much:
-The 1.5s cast time is unnecesary, ruin 2 and managing the cost of that skill is core to the sch gameplay and removing it with a brainless lower cast time woudnt be rewarding, I'd rather see the devs leaning into the "dot healer" archetype and giving us a short duration-dps neutral dot to weave and move, woudnt remove ruin 2 as it could only be used every X seconds but would grant the job aditional ways to weave without losing dps
-Aetherflow doesnt need to go as it works wonderfully to incentivize fairy optimization but imo it needs some kind of reward system outside, other people mentioned some kind of ruin 4 system and I think its a great idea as a reward system, using 3 aetherflow heals for example could grant you 2 "ruin 4 ready" stacks having each ruin 4 120 potency over broil 4 or whatever we have so in the end the cost of using aetherflow heals its still there but less than now. (idk an idea I just scrapped so prolly there are more than a few flaws)
-I like the idea of giving the fey gauge more stuff to do but charging through broil and ruin casts could be easily op allowing us to have near 100% uptime with fey union, which is NOT weak, fey union works as a 280 potency regen for a single target being for ST the strongest heal sch can use as a full gauge is worth 2800 potency
-Dissipation may be clunky but its not a garbage skill, works under the planification and risk/reward nature of the job and can give a boost in either hps or dps if properly used. If we start to get rid of those skills we'll end with a more brainless job than we already have, at the very least should be reworked so we can still gain fey gauge or even cheat its effects with seraph
-Physick 2 is not necessary as Adloquium with 675 effective potency covers that, I'd like to see a mp reduction there and a cast time reduction tho so we can get rid of the useless physick once and for all. I think the idea of having effects on the shields its neat but most of the ideas you propose are dps negative so would be used very little, I think something like creating a skill that modifies adlo or succor to give their shield an "spikes" effect that makes them dps neutral would work better. Emergency tactics should stay like it is now or with a shoter cd imo because otherwise when sch has to heal things like doom/living dead their gcds become way too unrealiable -
04-21-2021, 09:18 PMLiam_HarperNo one is ok with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
I wouldn't mind 1.5 sec cast times and have even suggested it myself, but you then need to take advantage of the fact that all healers have weave and create engaging unique toolkits and playstyles, which is actually quite difficult. You can't just slap the cast time on, give every healer another DoT and call it a day.
The other (and probably better) option is to give SCH and WHM more weave tools and have their playstyle revolve around utilizing and managing those windows. Ideally SCH fairy heals would function like in Stormblood again too, to make the pet a bonus, class identity and not a hinderance. Adding a Ruin II to WHM and calling it a day is not a fix either. Similar to clipping, it merely punishes you for basic functions of your role like moving and oGCD healing.
I agree on Piety, but it would be fine receiving the Tenacity treatment rather than being the best stat to stack, otherwise we just forget mana is a resource. With equal dps contribution to Tenacity, it's still a valid choice whether to stack it or DH depending on how much mana you need, but gear with unavoidable excess Piety is no longer a downgrade.
Adlo is the same cost as Cure II and it can be used in the same way. You apply 675 potency to the tank. If the shield does not break within a GCD you do not have to spam it, nor do you need an immediate Physick (just no). If the shield breaks within the GCD, spam it and the potency per cast is similar to Cure II spam. Meanwhile your fairly is likely spamming Embrace and your hps is actually higher than a Cure II spamming WHM.Quote:
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04-21-2021, 11:43 PMBrandedblade
Tbh if there is one thing that should absolutely, 100% be homogenized between the three healers it should be the 1.5 sec cast time on the filler nukes. I can already visualize a few ways they can improve scholar's design from doing so.
1. They could replace Ruin II with Miasma and/or a SCH flavored version of it, that way we can have our extra dot in our rotation without adding more to our hotbar space
2. They can completely remove the dps value of Energy Drain since you'll no longer need it to compensate for the Ruin II damage loss. That way, it can be used solely as a way to dump excess stacks between casts when Aetherflow is about to come back up. I'm fully aware this isn't what some people want but at the same time ED dealing damage is one of the major issues with the Aetherflow system that's causing the developer vs player discrepancy with it's design.
3. It would make fairy skills feel slightly less bad to use. I personally do not see the devs giving us the old pet system back to sch but having free weaving space to use the pet's actions is probably the best compromise we can get in that regard.
There alot of other design descision that come to my mind, especially with inspiration from the pvp skillset, which btw, does have 1.5 sec cast times on Broil III and to be blunt, it feels good to use from my personal experience but i am in absolute favor of Broil/Glare being made 1.5 sec casts, although admittedly im not as familiar to the intricacies of WHM to make a case for it. -
04-21-2021, 11:49 PMDeceptusLook, I admit SCH has a lot of problems right now but this just isn't one of them. They're literally the exact same MP requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
I think if SCH's had a way to make their shields "burst" and give back the shielded portion as regular healing that would work.
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04-22-2021, 10:05 PMNethereal
In regards to the issue of adlo not being spammable compared to cure 2, I believe they're referencing the fact that SCH is the only healer that gets soft locked out of GCD healing.
Adlo and cure 2 have the same mana cost but if you were to need to GCD heal 3 times in a row without any damage taking place you could only use aldo twice and then you would have to switch to physick effectively.
In actuality this problem is more prevalently displayed in SCH's GCD AoE healing where you can only effectively succor twice in a row and then you have to wait 15 seconds for ET to come back otherwise you're soft locked to 1 use until damage hits the party or you're forced to use it anyway for a measly 180. Where as both other healers have two specific AoE heals either for regens and shields or specifically for healing and are only locked out of GCD healing based on their available mana.
This isn't an issue in practiced content and groups but in fresh prog and solo heals when your co-healer is dead it is very much an issue, you will also have noticed this if you have done any GCD healing during a group doom mechanic.
Consider this, you have no fairy/fairy abilities, no aetherflow, and no oGCDs, all you have is your mana and the next mechanic requires you to produce at least 1000 potency worth of AoE healing in 3 GCDs. The only class of the 3 healers who can't do this with GCDs alone is SCH, sure you're only missing 10 potency but close only matters in horse shoes and hand grenades.
When mana is often the last resource you'll have available to you when everything goes wrong it is extremely frustrating that you have no effective way of using it when push comes to shove.
Overall though SCH just isn't a good healer to prog with when you consider if you die you additionally lose:
A. Your fairy which is half your kit.
B. All your fairy gauage.
C. All your aetherflow.
Lastly in the case of damage constantly hitting the shield applied by adlo per tic, adlo is the superior cure 2 equivalent to spam due to the nature of how crits work on it. -
04-22-2021, 11:32 PMForteNightshadeEhh. I don't necessarily think this is the hill to die on. Tanks having homogenized stances and CDs isn't the problem but rather their core kit essentially being repeats is. Giving WHM and SCH the same re-cast time as AST while fleshing out other aspects of their kits wouldn't make them feel any more "same-y" than the aforementioned tank CDs. Of course, diversifying said kits hasn't exactly been a strong suit of SE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaelommiss
With all that said, I think they could do a lot more with Lilies to give WHM instant cast spells. Perhaps weaker version of Misery, though that does step on Ruin II. At this point, simply giving WHM a Triple Cast equivalent would suffice. Just for the love of god, let them learn it far earlier than 90. -
04-23-2021, 04:34 AMelioaiko
DPS Standpoint
WHM
I prefer like that WHM is the hard hitting healer with no raid utility, but with its extremely turrety nature, it's very painful to weave and move. It's the only healer I'd want to have an actual dps combo (to an extent). Let it be a 1~2 combo (Glare into Glare 2) Bring back Aero 3 (or Dia version) and make it so Dia and AoE Dia can proc an instacast Fluid Aura (or Banish) that can stack like SMN's Further Ruin. Also Misery should be DPS neutral, not a loss.
SCH
I\\'ve ALWAYS wanted SCH to have multiple dots to rotate around with a Fester-like spell. It makes more sense on SCH who is a military doctor with knowledge of tactics and poisons. Honestly give SCH 3~4 dots with Fester-like spell with 2 charges that eats the dots if used too early. Also Bane for spread.
AST
Should have 2 dots: ST and AoE with Malefic spam. However they should have their time magic brought back to them in Extend that allows their dots to be Extend and better they can manage extending it, the strong the dots become. Successfully do so procs a Blackhole visual nuke/heavy dot. They keep 1.5s cast due to cards. I have no idea what they want to do with cards since there's a split both new and old system and I'd imagine they might try to marry both systems to appeal both groups.
Healing Kit Standpoint
WHM
I disagree, WHM needed lillies to even be functional. It's still bare bones and I hate the idea that WHM is the "easy" healer when it just lacks variety. There's nothing to manage on WHM at all. It's just hit Medica 2 once or use lillies. While I like Plenary it's awkward to use since you need to spend an OGCD to have it active for the lily which requires a clip. Asylum is fine for the most part and like that it increases oGCD heals. That being said I\\'m not sure what they intend to do with WHM but I\\'d imagine it being largely the same as it is now with some extra bells and whistles. Sad but they\\'re afraid of changing WHM now that people stopped trashing it.
SCH
It needs a rework, badly. Shields are so useless in so many scenarios. But at the same time, I hate having to use them to survive raidwides. They\\'ll likely stay the same, used mostly in prog and nonexistent in optimal settings. Back to SCH, the a Fae Gauge needs to be utilized more and I personally hate that Fey Blessing is such a long CD for how weak it is. Personally I think that Fey Union should follow target and not just sit there. Aetherflow....just delete it at this point and give SCH normal CDs. Energy Drain is boring to use and is punishing to not use. I'd rather they focus on having the fairy be individual and being able to cast their own skills. The risk and reward should be cycling through both fairies between healing and DPS buffing with no GCD punishment either. Overall, needs a lot of work and if they don\\'t change anything to make SCH less clunky especially since Sage is coming, numbers about to lower than 5.0 AST. -
04-23-2021, 05:25 AMPyitoechito
Would it be too Homogenizing if Scholar and White Mage took some notes from how Summoner gets weave options?
Scholar could get Ruin 2 upgrade stacks (a la Further Ruin) for doing... something... that let's them weave with less potency loss (or a potency gain). Upgrade stacks could come from something as simple as using Broil, or using Aetherflow grants the stacks every 60s.
For White Mage, take Fluid Aura and repurpose it into a 2-charge instant GCD (a la Egi Assault) with potency a touch above (or equal to) their current single-target spell. The bind effect is removed, of course.
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But yeah, let's not eat up what few skill slots we have for Scholar by giving them useless bloat like Physick II or an AoE equivalent. If anything, I hope they straight up delete Cure 1/Physick/Benefic 1 by having them auto-upgrade into Cure 2/Adlo/Benefic 2, respectively. -
04-23-2021, 01:41 PMoblivion238
The lack of any mention of miasma 2 is concerning.
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04-24-2021, 04:26 AMDeceptusThe issue with Dissipation is thatQuote:
Originally Posted by WaxSw
1) It's bonus to healing doesn't work with the vast majority of our kit
2) Is contradictory to our job lore. We are supposed to work with our fairy, not give them up. -
04-24-2021, 05:19 AMWaxSw100% Agree on the first one and I think its a mistake in design, it should buff our ogcds too but I dont think Dissipation goes against the lore that much. As Sch we are supposed to work with our fairy but that doesnt imply we have to use her all the time, our fairy is one of our strongest tools but at the same time our job as tactician is to know when a tool doesnt fit a situation and I think Dissipation fills that niche perfectly well, we work the majority of time with our fairy but we must know when its better to repurpose that tool when its necessary...or maybe its that I dont want to see one of the last remnants of complexity leave and get an even more brainless and boring job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus