Endwalker and Beards

So SQUARE ENIX, will we finally be getting beards and bushy beards and gandolf beards and hagrid beards with THIS expansion cos im sick of looking like a child!!! I kid you not, its been talked about since 2013 and probably before and no id rather not hear the excuse memory issues when you are porting to PS5, beards do not make that much of a dent on your memory issues, it's a bit of a copout.

So guys can we please keep this thread constant and hopefully get some agreement amongst ya'll because I refuse to be a mage until I get a BIGBUSHYBEARD!!!

This is easily the main reason I switch to a female avatar. Beard options are absolutely trash.

The memory issue, while I'm not saying "it's fine, drop it" (fine by me to keep pushing it lol), is different than what I think you're understanding it as. It's not like space on ram or space on the hdd / ssd.

More like the memory for communication purposes, programming / server stuff. Like if an npc has a special combination of visuals it's just that one character that gets loaded specially locally on your computer, easy peasy - there are lot of examples in game of this happening with half-race / unique faces, etc.

Add those options to your character and suddenly there is more potential information the game has to handle for every single person on the field. I assume this is also why gear sometimes isn't that purty, is there is some behind the scenes budget they are following so they can ensure smooth delivery (personally would prefer less people more quality, but I'm not thinking from a toaster / fridge computer perspective). You can see they get around this issue sometimes by combining certain features in the race menus. You may notice some races don't get a muscle tone slider, but they have other sliders.

I don't recall if Yoshida has ever gone into detail about it, and while interesting to hear I'm sure he knows player response would still be "fix it" lol so not much encouragement to do so, but I'm pretty sure when he says memory issues he's not talking local like concept. More like having to rewrite how characters are handled, and then also potentially having to facilitate more information per every request.

Which again isn't to say I was trying to get you not to ask for more lol, just thought to shift the concept from local storage where I don't think he was referring to and rather the deep code allocations that if changed could have major impacts, in and of itself having to recode deep things, but also the increased budget needed then to share that data.

It's true, there is not enough customisation options for male characters. It's bad enough as a Highlander male I can't even have eyebrows.

As a Mi'qote male, the only decent beard is tied to a face that looks like it was beaten with a brick. Actually, same for highlander. I've seen pizza dough beaten with a rolling pin less mangled.

I wonder though if this is a cultural thing, in that they have no problem with Bishounen (sp?) boys, yet don't seem to understand that there's a fair segment of the western market that don't identify with the dysmorphia of looking like an early twenties twink.

While I'm sorry for Viera and Hrothgar for not having new hair options, I'd like to also point out the sheer volume of Gpose and everything else being vastly female cat or bunny girl as still being versatile and greater in appearance offering.

I acknowledge that Lala's are the superior destructive force in the galaxy. But no, I am not rolling a F*****g baby.

Maybe this is only an issue with Final Fantasy. Cuz I've played other japanese games in the fantasy/folklore genre that had dudes with beards. Prime example being my favorite of all time Dragon's Dogma.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Maybe this is only an issue with Final Fantasy. Cuz I've played other japanese games in the fantasy/folklore genre that had dudes with beards. Prime example being my favorite of all time Dragon's Dogma.

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There's actually quite a few characters in Final Fantasy games that have facial hair. It really just appears to be some strange hang-up that FFXIV, in particular, seems to have.

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Originally Posted by Nafreyu

I wonder though if this is a cultural thing, in that they have no problem with Bishounen (sp?) boys, yet don't seem to understand that there's a fair segment of the western market that don't identify with the dysmorphia of looking like an early twenties twink.

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I wouldn't outright say they're against masculine figures because ...*looks at Barret and Gladio*... but at the same time it's been left clear for ages that JP simply prefers bishonen aesthetics over macho men, who are more often than not comical relief meatheads at best and villain minions at worst - Male Roegadyn are a prime example of both those tropes.

I mean, just look how daddy Highlanders could look if they actually tried.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etd_rtkXAAM8asu.jpg
https://i.redd.it/74mp0n9qx4r31.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq8BC6GXUAApGFr?format=jpg

(there are many other better examples all over twitter and tumblr but I have no intention of getting banned lol)

As I said in the "Where is the beard love" thread, I wanna be a fuzzy potato.

We absolutely need more beard and way more other customization options! So many people want a wide customization for their character, I don't know why hasn't the FFXIV team made that happen by now.

I don't play male toons, but 100 percent support the inclusion of real beards.

Don't forget about Jecht.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...0/jsVg7e4D.jpg

Totally agree. We need more beards.

was trying to look up this very thing and ended up here. I want gandalf-like beard on my character, or at least something reasonably close to that. Plying female toon until then, while upskirting it every chance I get xD Which might be forever, seeing how things are going..

Character creator in FFXIV is seriously outdated. I want to see more customization options going forward. Especially concering body sliders, etc. (if possible).

Same with hairstyles. As a male I like to have shorter hair, when I play female I like having medium to longer hair. Looks absolutely matter.

it's probably an engine issue with the game, I mean the game is 10 years old...I highly doubt they can add anything to beards, only hairstyles.


just wait for the next ff mmo with a new engine

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

it's probably an engine issue with the game, I mean the game is 10 years old...I highly doubt they can add anything to beards, only hairstyles.


just wait for the next ff mmo with a new engine

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Considering that ff14 now is the most profitable game in the series, i don‘t think a new mmo is on the horizon.
I‘d love to see upgrades to the engine. There were tidbits of info in some interviews pointing at that direction. Seems like the devs are at least considering it or working on it in their spare time.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Considering that ff14 now is the most profitable game in the series, i don‘t think a new mmo is on the horizon.
I‘d love to see upgrades to the engine. There were tidbits of info in some interviews pointing at that direction. Seems like the devs are at least considering it or working on it in their spare time.

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I highly doubt it, i think for new engine they would have to redo the game which is very costly.

And i think your forgetting those Final Fantasy mobile titles, they make a good chunk of money too. Only reason why xiv is most profitable is because its tied to a monthly subscription, mog station and expansions


Other Final Fantasy games dont have that option


I really think they should just make a new ff mmo imo, probably with a better battle system too

Japanese women don't like beards and male characters are designed for women, I mean look at *male* vieras, lole. You're never getting bushy beards.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

I highly doubt it, i think for new engine they would have to redo the game which is very costly.

And i think your forgetting those Final Fantasy mobile titles, they make a good chunk of money too. Only reason why xiv is most profitable is because its tied to a monthly subscription, mog station and expansions


Other Final Fantasy games dont have that option


I really think they should just make a new ff mmo imo, probably with a better battle system too

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I wasn’t talking about a whole new engine either, just tweaking the one it already uses.
The main reason ff14 is so profitable is because even with it‘s flaws it‘s a really good game with devs that genuinely care about its player base.
Ff14 1.0 was also subscription based, did it fare well? It was a disaster from a financial standpoint, which resulted in reworking the actual game, rather than move on to another ff title.
I just don‘t see them creating a whole new mmo, when they just could tweak the current engine we have now.

Just a tidbit of an interview:

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Yoshida explained that the (engine)update isn’t happening right now either because he wanted to focus more on the actual gameplay and story with Endwalker, which is supposed to be the conclusion to the game’s ongoing narrative arc, and the setup for a new one for its future. That said, Yoshida also says work on the graphics engine update will begin eventually.

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source: https://www.google.ch/amp/s/gamingbo...ne-someday/amp

If the new mmo would cover a different genre, than maybe a future mmo could be in the pipeline. As long as it would compete with 14 i dont really see it happening.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

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FFXI was also ( still is) the most profitable final fantasy game to date, only reason why it isnt anymore because its not mog station like xiv is

Compete? They would both be from SE so there really wouldn't be any competition.

I understand that the developers.love the game, that's good. Doesn't mean that the game doesn't have it flaws and the battle system really needs an upgrade..

I doubt males would have full beards, i dont think the old engine can handle it like the awful cloth physics this game has lol

Yeah, it did bother me for a while, a huge part of why I went with Highlander when I started was that Midlanders... The best way I can put is that they look like 15 year olds or younger depending on the face. However, looking like a Neanderthal quickly drained the appeal of staring at my character in cutscenes, now I am betting all my hopes on the Midlander stubble, lol.

But yeah, I have a really hard time making a decent looking male character and the lack of beard is definitely up there when it comes to reasons.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

FFXI was also ( still is) the most profitable final fantasy game to date, only reason why it isnt anymore because its not mog station like xiv is

Compete? They would both be from SE so there really wouldn't be any competition.

I understand that the developers.love the game, that's good. Doesn't mean that the game doesn't have it flaws and the battle system really needs an upgrade..

I doubt males would have full beards, i dont think the old engine can handle it like the awful cloth physics this game has lol

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You're probably right. Endwalker finally added stubble.....and it's not even a cosmetic choice, it's an entirely different Midlander face.

There's also other problems that require attention : hrothgar (the biggest one Imo) or viera hair/helmets. If adding a new beard option is problematic because of the limitations of the game, a rework of old races might be required. This won't happen before a long time. And there's the fact that they can't just take old beards and replace them even if it looks bad.

Yeh, the character creator is rather dated, even by its own standards since games that are just as old, like TERA or GW II, still have better customizations. Even WoW is slowly catching up

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Yeah, it did bother me for a while, a huge part of why I went with Highlander when I started was that Midlanders... The best way I can put is that they look like 15 year olds or younger depending on the face. However, looking like a Neanderthal quickly drained the appeal of staring at my character in cutscenes, now I am betting all my hopes on the Midlander stubble, lol.

But yeah, I have a really hard time making a decent looking male character and the lack of beard is definitely up there when it comes to reasons.

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There's one Midlander face that gets the beard and it makes you look older just look at my character that's using it.

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By becoming highlander or Roegadyn, you can get beard and moustache :)

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

By becoming highlander or Roegadyn, you can get beard and moustache :)

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Yes but it's extremely limited and you're stuck with a specific face type.

And comes at the cost of eyebrows, in the case of Highlanders /vexed

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Yes but it's extremely limited and you're stuck with a specific face type.

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But we have another face type for new midlander's beard. So yeah... we ends up living with that.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

And comes at the cost of eyebrows, in the case of Highlanders /vexed

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For real, I have to settle for black painted eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

it's probably an engine issue with the game, I mean the game is 10 years old...I highly doubt they can add anything to beards, only hairstyles.


just wait for the next ff mmo with a new engine

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No, it's not. They don't need a new technology to add new options of beard to a game that already has beards in it. They literally included a Lion race full of fur in the face. I think in 7.0 they could dedicate some time to make a big addition to customization in the game, I don't think they really need to overhaul the system, but just add way more options to the stuff that normally don't get new options regularly (like tattoos, beard, scars and etc)

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For real, I have to settle for black painted eyebrows.

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It is seriously the only reason my character is not a Highlander.

Square, I know about the Lore but PLEASE give us the option at least!

SE had to add a new face for midlander just stubble that people requested and they could not even add it as an option for that one face. Unless they do something with their coding and/or engine, I don't think Highlanders will ever have real eyebrows unless SE makes a separate face with eyebrow. Same can be said about beard option for other races.