How old are each of the main characters in lore?

I am curious and also to kinda settle some debates like for example "Alisae is 16" or "Minfilia is 18."

It's basically impossible to pinpoint exact ages given that the MSQ is intentionally vague about how much time has passed since ARR started and Shadowbringers complicates things further since most of the Scions now have chronological ages that are different from their physical ones. Their age at this point largely comes down to headcanon at this point and any listed age is more of "they are at least this many years old."

The Scions are stated to have kept themselves younger with magic... though now that I say it out loud I have no idea if that's canon or headcanon that got shared a lot.

Ryne and Gaia are in their teens, Gaia may be a little older than Ryne, though. Which should put Ryne at 15-16 and Gaia at 16-17, maybe?
The twins are in the range of 16.
Minfillia... is weird, because she was a teenager in 1.0, possibly 16+, which would make her at least 20 in 2.0.
Everyone else ranges from their early 20s to... well, possibly in their 60s or more considering how some races age and their lifespans.

Do the Lorebooks give precise ages? Don't think I've seen references to that.

minfillia 27
Thancred 33
Urianger 29
yshtola 23
twins 16
Lyse 25

According to the Encyclopaedia Eorzea volume 1 - At the begining of ARR:

Alphinaud and Alisaie are 16
Urianger is 29
Thancred is 32
Minfilia is 27
Y'shtola is "Forever 24" (She's probably actually around Thancred's age, since she has a younger sister who is 26)
Lyse (as Yda) is 25
Papalymo is 42
G'raha is 24
Arenvald is 19
Estinien is 32

These are their minimum ages plus your headcanon timeframe for how long the story actually takes place.

Alphinaud, Alisae, and Lyse are teenagers. The Twins spent 1 year on the First so they might be in their 20s by now. Tataru might be a teenager or in her early teens.

Papalymo seems to have been in his 30s or 40s.

Y'shtola seems to be in her 20s, but she acts like she's in her 30s so maybe she is? Spent like 3 years on the First IIRC.

Urianger seems to be in his 30s. Spent like 3 years on the First.

Minfillia couldn't have been any older than 23 or 24 by ARR. In the 1.0 Ul'dah intro cutscene which takes place 10 years before 2.0, she's a little kid, no older than 13 or 14.

Thancred: In the 1.0 Ul'dah intro cutscene (which takes place 5 years before 1.0 takes place, which takes place 5 years before 2.0 takes place), Thancred looks exactly the same as he does today. So assuming he was 18-20 years old back then, and at least 10 years have passed, then he should be at least 30 by the time of ARR. Then he gets isekaied to the First and was there for 5 years, so he should be either in his mid to late 30s, or possibly his 40s. The Shadowbringers cinematic makes him look like he is in his late 40s or 50s. It's bizzare because he still looks like he is in his early 20s ingame.

Krile seems to be in her 20s.

Nanamo seems to have been a teenager or in her early 20s.

Merlwyb seems to be in her 30s.

Kan-E-Seena appears to be in her 20s but might be older due to magic or immortality or something.

Raubahn seems to be in his late 40s or 50s. The Ala Mhigo civil war against the Mad King began 25 years ago (Garlean conquest was 20 years ago), and in Stormblood 4.0 we get a flashback to when Raubahn and Illberd were first recruited to join the war against the Mad King, and they looked to be in their 20s.

Hien and Aymeric seem to be in their mid to late 20s, possibly early 30s.

The game is extremely vague on how much time passes over the course of the story, but by Shadowbringers 5.1, at least two years must have passed since ARR. After ARR 2.0, the Doman Resistance makes their move and try to revolt and fail. The Doman refugees travel by ship from Doma to Ul'dah, a voyage that would have taken months. In Stormblood, the heroes travel by ship from Limsa to Kugane multiple times, and that voyage takes months. You also had Thancred and Estinien travelling to Garlemald and back on foot during the story, which would have taken months. So the Twins and Lyse are almost certainly in their early 20s by now.

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

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the times they spent on the 1st have no bearing on their ages due to the fact that they weren't there in Physical body and had a temporary body created. (Case in point look at Cylva, then look at how long she's been wandering around on the first after she had been put in suspended animation after dying on the 13th by Elidibus. If it's not your home shard, you DON'T age unless you come there with an actual physical body.) There were only two people from the Source that would have and DID age. One was G'raha Tia but his life was prolonged due to him Merging with the Crystal Tower and thus aging but not dying, and the PC due to being summoned there completely.

Taking out head canon which is not valid canon in a lore forum for exacts. The Twins as was said before are 16 and the others are they're respected ages from the beginning of 2.0.

The intro cutscene for 1.0 for thancred and ALL the other people in the CIRCLE OF KNOWING. Happened 10 years before the start of 1.0 NOT 5 the echo flashbacks from 1.0 are that old as well. it's give you the actual time frame on the EVENTS including the DEATH of Warburton on page 51 and 52ish of the Encyclopedia Eorzea... (also the some 15 years ago before ARR, due to the simpsonesq time bubble that the story is in Minfillia herself comments that SOME 15 years had passed since her father died while they were all moving to the RISING STONES.)

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Originally Posted by Rannie

There were only two people from the Source that would have and DID age. One was G'raha Tia but his life was prolonged due to him Merging with the Crystal Tower and thus aging but not dying

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Actually he stopped aging completely (confirmed in question 2 here) and isn't really mortal any more. His white-tinged hair seems to be part of the crystallisation effect rather than from age.

Anyway, even though he's back to his younger mortal body, his mind is a lot older - 120ish now, give or take how much time he spent in the dark future timeline and exactly how many years ago he arrived in the First.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Actually he stopped aging completely (confirmed in question 2 here) and isn't really mortal any more. His white-tinged hair seems to be part of the crystallisation effect rather than from age.

Anyway, even though he's back to his younger mortal body, his mind is a lot older - 120ish now, give or take how much time he spent in the dark future timeline and exactly how many years ago he arrived in the First.

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Ah i misunderstood that portion of it then lol thanks Iscah.

IIRC we don't know how old Y'shtola is. We know she stopped aging at 23(ish) but we don't know how long ago that was.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

IIRC we don't know how old Y'shtola is. We know she stopped aging at 23(ish) but we don't know how long ago that was.

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"stopped"

They were just doing a "woman sensitive about her age" joke in the lorebook. Best not to take it literally.

In Heavensward, Y'shtola says she was around Alphinaud's age during the Sharlayan exodus 15 years ago making her roughly 31 years old.

Everyone else's actual age was given in the Encyclopedia.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Actually he stopped aging completely (confirmed in question 2 here) and isn't really mortal any more. His white-tinged hair seems to be part of the crystallisation effect rather than from age.

Anyway, even though he's back to his younger mortal body, his mind is a lot older - 120ish now, give or take how much time he spent in the dark future timeline and exactly how many years ago he arrived in the First.

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G'raha Tia gets the literal dream of knowing what you know now but in your younger body and he just puppy dog's the WOL instead. Wasted potential imo.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

G'raha Tia gets the literal dream of knowing what you know now but in your younger body and he just puppy dog's the WOL instead. Wasted potential imo.

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What do you mean, "instead"? That is what he wants.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

G'raha Tia gets the literal dream of knowing what you know now but in your younger body and he just puppy dog's the WOL instead. Wasted potential imo.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What do you mean, "instead"? That is what he wants.

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It is what he wants indeed. He spent over 100 years thinking when he went back, and then when we got there that we would fix everything. Make his wish come true. What could be greater than adventuring with your personal savior, hero, and role model? Especially considering they're always part of grand things, like solving tempering, and slaying Eikons.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What do you mean, "instead"? That is what he wants.

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I feel G'raha's behavior is inappropriate. The 5.4 scene in the cave where he wants to spend more time with you instead of focusing on the mission is inappropriate and creepy. The community can claim he is just a fan boy but he has to learn personal boundaries.

I mean, he's primarily written by a woman, the way men tend to write female characters. I say turnabout's fair play, in this case.

Honestly G'raha is pretty tame compared to some guys in Animes that are fan boys... if he isn't getting nose bleeds around the WoL then it's nothing.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I feel G'raha's behavior is inappropriate. The 5.4 scene in the cave where he wants to spend more time with you instead of focusing on the mission is inappropriate and creepy. The community can claim he is just a fan boy but he has to learn personal boundaries.

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Personally it doesn't really bother me, remember he basically looked up to us even before ending up spending a century in the Darkest Timeline and technically Dying before ending up joining the A-team and reliving a better future he didnt see the first time around. I just consider it his inner Fanboy coming out a bit at times.

In terms of the characters ages these are going to be mainly based of their age as of ARR. In terms of current ages this has been rather ambiguous as the dev team has been rather coy on how much actual time has passed in the game though at least a year has gone by by the time of Stormblood occuring. It could be also because the dev team has not actually decided on a new calendar tho as the 7th Umbral Calamity effectively resets the calendar to year 0 and the other fact that Loisioux Super Old Man Punching Bahamut unintentionally mitagted a world ending angry primal into a regonal disaster unlike the previous calamities basically trashing the world.

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Originally Posted by GoldStarz

It's basically impossible to pinpoint exact ages given that the MSQ is intentionally vague about how much time has passed since ARR started and Shadowbringers complicates things further since most of the Scions now have chronological ages that are different from their physical ones. Their age at this point largely comes down to headcanon at this point and any listed age is more of "they are at least this many years old."

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Only their physical ages is really relevant as the whole travelling across the void between shards has a distortionate effect, i mean we literally save the first and go back to Tataru to tell us we'd only just left!

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I feel G'raha's behavior is inappropriate. The 5.4 scene in the cave where he wants to spend more time with you instead of focusing on the mission is inappropriate and creepy. The community can claim he is just a fan boy but he has to learn personal boundaries.

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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. I want more dialogue options to make it clear that my character doesn't care about him in the slightest and is only working with him - very reluctantly - because he isn't being given another choice.

We're also meant to be building up to a recreation of the literal apocalypse. G'raha acting the way that he does simply makes it harder to immerse myself in the story. I hope he doesn't get the lion's share of time in the spotlight in Endwalker and I most certainly hope that he doesn't end up playing a major part in taking down another major antagonist.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I feel G'raha's behavior is inappropriate. The 5.4 scene in the cave where he wants to spend more time with you instead of focusing on the mission is inappropriate and creepy. The community can claim he is just a fan boy but he has to learn personal boundaries.

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I'd like some Estinien-styled dialogue options/responses to him. :D

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I feel G'raha's behavior is inappropriate. The 5.4 scene in the cave where he wants to spend more time with you instead of focusing on the mission is inappropriate and creepy. The community can claim he is just a fan boy but he has to learn personal boundaries.

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Eh, I've mixed feelings on him.


Current story spoilers 5.5 MSQ

First: G'raha trying to cut into the WoL's life.

By the time of Shadowbringers, the WoL is famous and lots of people want to know him, and he's being called by everyone in the realm to help them out. The WoL just doesn't have enough time to help out and hang out with everybody. The WoL already has a circle of friends that he's spent a lot of time, are his preferred crew to tackle problems with, and the people he prefers to spend his time with.

The WoL worked with him during the Crystal Tower questline for all of 1 or 2 hours. This was before the WoL had really formed a circle of friends with the Scions. So in Shadowbringers, you have G'raha - a stranger to the WoL - trying to cut into the WoL's life. "Take me on an adventure with you". I mean, yeah, by the time he says that in 5.3, I've known him long enough that it'd feel nature, but it feels really weird that he was harboring this desire during 5.0, and says it to you in Kholusia. It's like a fanboy seeing a celebrity idol at the mall and saying "please let me be your best friend!".


Second: G'raha Tia is NOT an old man.

I think the other problem with G'raha Tia is that... he's supposed to have come from a time period in which he woke up and everyone he knew was dead, and there was immense bloodshed and the new people he made friends with were dying left and right, and then he goes to the First and lives there for a hundred years... and he's known generations of people from their birth, watched them grow up, get married, grow old, and die. He should be a really old man, but he never ACTS like it. He acts like a fresh faced teenager. He TALKS about being an old man, but I never feel it. ​This is in the same expansion that had Emet-Selch, who felt like a really old man who had lost his civilization and his friends and his family. This is the same expansion that had Ardbert, who really felt like he had lost his civilization and his family and his friends.

It's also extremely bizzare that G'raha Tia just so casually leaves the Crystarium behind. He lived 20 years in Eorzea. He lived 100 years at the Crystarium. The people of the Crystarium should be family to him. This should be his home, more so than Eorzea ever was. I cannot believe a grandpa or an elder or an old man like that would just up and leave his community just like that to go adventuring with some celebrity he had met for 2 hours over 100 years ago in some far off land that was just a vague memory. Now, obviously once his body was crystalizing, stashing his consciousness into his body on the Source was the obvious thing to do, but he was clearly planning to go back to Eorzea long before then, otherwise he wouldn't have made the extra crystal.


Third: G'raha Tia is just the same character as Alphinaud.
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G'raha Tia fulfills the same role as Alphinaud in the narrative: the bright eyed dorky little brother to the WoL/deuteragonist of the story who is a magus and the man with the plan. Literally the same character, just a different design and voice actor. It's especially telling that G'raha Tia and Alphinaud hardly ever talk in the same scene, let alone talk to each other... because that'd draw attention to the fact that they are literally the same. When one character is in focus in the narrative, the other has virtually no lines at all. I would've been content with Alphinaud being sidelined and G'raha Tia hogging the spotlight for 5.0 through 5.3... but then he survives 5.3, and continues hogging Alphinaud's place in 5.4. It isn't until 5.5 that Alphinaud gets back his role again... and it's rather telling that G'raha Tia has pretty much no lines in 5.5 and it's jarring. You have two characters both competing to fulfill the same role in the narrative and it's very jarring.

Stormblood had a similar problem with Lyse and Alisae. They were the same character both competing for attention: the spunky bash bro sister who flips out at the drop of a hat. Fortunately Lyse was written out of the story by having her leave the Scions, so Alisae is able to fulfill her role uncontested. I don't know why the writers forgot to do that with Alphinaud and G'raha Tia. More than one character per role is redundant. Get rid of one. I prefer Alphinaud to G'raha, but G'raha Tia is clearly preferred by the current writer and no way he's going to die after surviving 5.3, and if killing off Alphinaud means we don't have this content anymore and scenes can be written naturally, then so be it. I just don't want this conflict anymore.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I mean, he's primarily written by a woman, the way men tend to write female characters. I say turnabout's fair play, in this case.

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So only females can write about females and males can only write about males? I'm not sure that's a fair assessment when other male characters like Thancred, Alphinaud, and Estinien are on point.

@MoofiaBossVal You say it like G'raha had a choice to live on the First after we left. Even when creating crystals for transference he was already heavily damaged by the tower and probably did not expect to live long. And after Elidibus used tower to summon all the shades it was only a matter of hours when G'raha will turn to crystal. So his choices really were:
1. To die on the First and stay dead.
2. To die on the First and try to have a second life on the Source.

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I mean, he's primarily written by a woman, the way men tend to write female characters. I say turnabout's fair play, in this case.

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1. This.
2. G'raha's behavior is completely appropriate given the context of it. He's just gone through 100 years of pain, suffering, and the tormenting idea that the future he envisioned will happen *regardless* of what he does. And then here you come, a beacon of light (or darkness in this case) and rather than let him sacrifice himself to save you, you fight *with him*, you treat him as your equal, and you give him a future he could *never* have imagined. Now he gets to fight alongside you, safe and secure in the knowledge that whatever comes next won't be that horrible future he saw. If he wants to hang off my arm and give me puppy dog eyes and flick his ears at me, I'll let him. Heck, I'll encourage it - because he's happy.

But maybe that's just my WoL's personality bleeding into mine. She views G'raha similarly to how she viewed Haurchefant - gentle romanticism.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

So only females can write about females and males can only write about males? I'm not sure that's a fair assessment when other male characters like Thancred, Alphinaud, and Estinien are on point.

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G'raha's a male character, but written to fit the "heroine" archetype. I'm saying he's along the same lines as, say, Matoi from Phantasy Star Online 2, down to not allowing responses like, "Down girl, please. I see you as a daughter." Our own Alisaie acts the same way, too, actually.

I do acknowledge there's some discomfort in being fawned on by someone you're not into, but there's nothing inherently wrong with his character type.

Trying not to take your stuff too far out of context, but there are a couple points I have to object to:

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

The WoL worked with him during the Crystal Tower questline for all of 1 or 2 hours.

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The Crystal Tower storyline ran from 2.1 to 2.5. In real-world time, he was in Mor Dhona for about a year-and-a-half. His role was ambiguous, but his design was distinct enough, and certain rules like "raids are tangential to canon" had yet to be firmly established (thanks to the Binding Coil being hard canon), so plenty of people had plenty of time to draw their own conclusions before he was unceremoniously stuffed in a box for five years. We now know that all of this was intentional, and that he was being saved for a potential second reboot, but at the time it was a lot to process.

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

G'raha Tia is just the same character as Alphinaud.

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He's not, though. It's possible he was originally meant to replace Alphi in the event of the aforementioned second reboot, but for now he's actually around to reinforce Alphinaud as a character. He's still distinguished by his fatalistic streak, but if you talk to him between quest objectives, you'll realize he's mostly hanging around to shill Alphi as the true protagonist. If I'm reading the cards right, though, that probably won't be for much longer, and we already know which of them is in the Endwalker teaser.

Oh, oops, I double posted.

I wish with G'raha that they'd gone a different route - I agree that he seems to have too many similarities to existing Scions (I feel his role is pretty much covered by Urianger and Alphinaud - the only "niche" he seems to have is the Allagan blood which they've relied on for two patches now).

I would have rather his arc been that due to his efforts on the First - building up the Crystarium and summoning the people who would save the shard, including his role in that - that he would realise he's a hero in his own right, and that while we were still his inspiration, that he's ready to go off and have his own adventures. I'd have loved to have seen him thank us, and go off to strike his own path in Eorzea.

Then he could have come back into the story at points where it makes sense to have him there, which would be a fun surprise for his fans. As it is I feel like he's just sort of... bloat? He was far more tolerable in 5.5 I felt, but he didn't really add anything.

I find myself in the third position on this, in that I wholly believe the Exarch's heroic sacrifice against Elidibus should have been his actual demise. It would have been a fine enough sendoff to his character, and we could still have woken up the sleeping G'raha Tia at the Exarch's behest. Then G'raha Tia could have joined the Scions, perhaps fashioning the Exarch's half-filled soul crystal into a job stone, and the story going forward could have dealt with him trying to live up to the legacy his future self left for him instead of... awkwardly fanboying out over characters like Lyse, Matoya, and Estinien.

I like spending time with G'raha as a full party member, but I do agree things have gone just a little too well for him lately. Assuming they don't just kill him (which would kind of invalidate large chunks of Shadowbringers), I think a lot of his character issues could be put to good use if someone (either Alphi or Fandaniel) were to remind/thank him for basically allowing current events to play out the way they are. Basically, the "adventure" he always wanted and is now getting is a world-ending event even greater in scale than what he was trying to stop, and now lots of people are going to die because he dared to want something. (Obviously it wouldn't stick, but it would be a good starting place for his 6.0 character arc, if he gets one.)


Not sure if anyone here remembers Samurai Flamenco, but it touched on a similar idea.

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

The WoL worked with G'raha Tia during the Crystal Tower questline for all of 1 or 2 hours.

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Fenral already picked on this but I want to echo it, because even if you don't count for the "year and a half of real-world time" that the quest presentation spanned, the time we as a player spend doing the quests seems to be massively shortened from the time that the characters actually spend on things.

It doesn't get touched on much, since the passage of time is kept vague, but the best example I know of is early in Heavensward when Cid rescues you from Bismarck, and he explains that he came to the Sea of Clouds on business and learned that you had arrived "some days before" him - indicating that even though we-the-player have been there for maybe an hour or so, that has taken our character a few days of time we simply don't experience in the game. All the inbetween mundane things like meals and sleep and time to rest, and probably all the odd jobs we're constantly running for people.

So for a similar time frame, we must have spent days or weeks directly working with the NOAH team, plus however much time fits into the gaps between quests. Certainly long enough for us to think of G'raha as someone we have known for quite a while, if intermittently, by the time he seals himself in the tower.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

I find myself in the third position on this, in that I wholly believe the Exarch's heroic sacrifice against Elidibus should have been his actual demise. It would have been a fine enough sendoff to his character, and we could still have woken up the sleeping G'raha Tia at the Exarch's behest. Then G'raha Tia could have joined the Scions, perhaps fashioning the Exarch's half-filled soul crystal into a job stone, and the story going forward could have dealt with him trying to live up to the legacy his future self left for him instead of... awkwardly fanboying out over characters like Lyse, Matoya, and Estinien.

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This is what I wanted to see happen. It wouldn't have changed much functionally - he could still be playing the same role in the story, and the only real difference would be that he talks about the Exarch as a person whose thoughts he knows very well, but still as a separate person and in the past tense. He would be entrusted with the Exarch's legacy but still primarily be his younger self.

Plus for the Exarch, I feel like he earned his death there, in a good way. He's waited so long and given so much, and now his work is done and he departs with a smile, encouraging us that it's not the end - go, wake him up. Take him on the adventure I dreamed of.

I just personally don’t think Graha serves a purpose in the story. He’s just an embodiment of plot armor and plot devices now and doesn’t really add anything other than random (comedic relief) which a lot of people are starting to find annoying. He should’ve just died at the end of 5.3 because what they did at the end(putting the memories into past Graha) is such a double standard from what message they’ve been pushing with other people(mainly the antagonists). Honestly i hope he isn’t a large part of Endwalkers because it’s an apocalypse, i don’t want to see some catboy getting sparkly eyes every time we do something cool.

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Originally Posted by Turethir

I wish with G'raha that they'd gone a different route - I agree that he seems to have too many similarities to existing Scions (I feel his role is pretty much covered by Urianger and Alphinaud - the only "niche" he seems to have is the Allagan blood which they've relied on for two patches now).

I would have rather his arc been that due to his efforts on the First - building up the Crystarium and summoning the people who would save the shard, including his role in that - that he would realise he's a hero in his own right, and that while we were still his inspiration, that he's ready to go off and have his own adventures. I'd have loved to have seen him thank us, and go off to strike his own path in Eorzea.

Then he could have come back into the story at points where it makes sense to have him there, which would be a fun surprise for his fans. As it is I feel like he's just sort of... bloat? He was far more tolerable in 5.5 I felt, but he didn't really add anything.

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This, honestly, was would have been the best course of action. Now he's on the border of a predator and really would serve the narrative best by dying. All this his dream to travel with us to be hero is nonsense because he's an actual hero on the First and in the dark timeline. He already got what he wanted. Why couldn't we have just went to his body on the source at the end of 5.3 and just laid his staff at his feet? That way each world would have their own monument to him.

His whole I have Allagan blood thing isn't a strong enough plot point that the writers could have circumvented with some other solution. If he is just hanging around till 3/4's of the way through Endwalker just be all I have the Allagan blood to allow access to the spaceship to the moon, then again why has he lived beyond the 5.3 storyline?

And since we're using obscure references, G'raha is very similar in behavior Jed Parry from Ian McEwan's novel Enduring Love. How one shared tragic experience can lead to psychological problems when one doesn't understand the context of personal boundaries.

And those who shrug off his character faux pas as flattery to be endured should really put themselves in the shoes of players who may have been victims of unwelcomed advances and now have to relive it in a video game they enjoy.

I also think it would have been better if dark-G'raha and sleepy-G'raha had been kept as separate characters.

Not only was the fight in the Tower a good ending for his story, the constant fanboying and, imho, general childishness of current-G'raha is really chipping away at my opinions on the Exarch.

My dude's over a hundred years old, lived through the apocalypse, traveled through time and space, founded and led a city and saved a whole world. The shy stuttering sparkly eyed teenager shtick seems rather silly given all that. You're over a century old, act like it man!

Maybe he doesn't feel old anymore, what with the new body and all. You're only as old as ya feel, and a lot being old in the conventional sense is the way your body feels.

He could also be playing out of the, "Smart of War." He puts on this air of happy-go lucky teen to put you off guard, but then he be using Hallowed Ground whenever he wants, and shooting you with meteors. /nodnod

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Originally Posted by Kesey

And those who shrug off his character faux pas as flattery to be endured should really put themselves in the shoes of players who may have been victims of unwelcomed advances and now have to relive it in a video game they enjoy.

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Putting myself in my own shoes then, and yeah, not seeing it. Nice try, though.

He's really mild. Like, really. We can joke about subtext until the cows come home, but in reality he does maintain about two yalms of distance at all times. And most of his enthusiasm this patch was directed at Estinien, so it's not like he's stuck exclusively to the PC. Right now, his main purpose seems to be reintroducing important characters to the portion of the fanbase that was skipping cutscenes before Shadowbringers.

I do agree that it should have been pre-timeskip G'raha with us, but that's why I think there maybe something up with his current trajectory.

I'm very curious how the people who say G'raha is being creepy would think about Aenor.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

I'm very curious how the people who say G'raha is being creepy would think about Aenor.

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^ this....

And as a woman who has dealt with creeps and unwanted attention... yeah no G'raha is meeting somewhat from his point of view a historical figure he's most likely only read about in Count Edmont's Journal (Estinien) so look at it from the perspective that he may see it as ... he's literally meeting history! He's meeting someone Like Abraham Lincoln or Napoleon etc.... he's literally geeking out.

Edit: And to be quite honest I'd be acting the same way especially if I met my distant Cousin Paul Revere.

Eh, there's a big difference between side characters doing such things and major characters doing it. G'raha just comes across as a creepy and weird to me. If we had an option to tell him to tone it down and maintain a relationship that is strictly business then that'd at least be something - but we don't, so his actions just come across as unwelcome.

I'd also note, many of us didn't even consider him to be a very important character before Shadowbringers. I think there's far better characters that could have been chosen to have a close relationship with, so the over familiarity just feels forced to me.

Now, if he looked like Sett from League of Legends? It'd at least be tolerable! Though G'raha was designed to be overly feminine and androgynous looking - both aesthetics that do nothing for me.

I like classically handsome/ruggedly handsome men and pretty women. My character's tend to share those tastes!