GPU Upgrade?

Hello everyone. In anticipation of the next expansion for this game, I am considering upgrading my GPU.

My concern though if it is worth it or just use my current system to the last drop and buy a whole new system in the future.

My current specs are:

Asus GTX 1060 3gb
Intel Core i7 3770 3.4GHZ
Corsair 16gb RAM
Asus P8Z77-V Motherboard

My monitor is a 24 inch Viewsonic 144 hz 1080p

Thanks for any advice you guys and gals can give. Have not built a new PC for over 7 years so am really out of the loop now. My last upgrade was my current GPU which replaced my old GTX 960 2gb 3-4 years ago.

Aren't GPUs stupid expensive right now due to shortages or something? I doubt the reqs are going up significantly if at all.

The game doesn't even take much advantage of the GPU. Trust me I got a 3080.

A 1060 is more than enough for this game. Your CPU is kind of a bottleneck for this game though but should be more than enough to play this old game.

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Originally Posted by MPK

The game doesn't even take much advantage of the GPU. Trust me I got a 3080.

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If you play at 1080p sure.

You can peg anything to 100% with high enough resolution or framerate.

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Originally Posted by MPK

The game doesn't even take much advantage of the GPU. Trust me I got a 3080.

A 1060 is more than enough for this game. Your CPU is kind of a bottleneck for this game though but should be more than enough to play this old game.

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I see thanks for input. I just thought that maybe a 3gb VC is now too low and would create bottleneck as I keep reading 6gb ram video cards are now the norms

Also since you mentioned my CPU is the bottleneck, I guess I might as well tough it out then and build a new pc in the future when supplies are more stable etc. I did thought about upgrading my CPU but my old motherboard means there is no longer any cpu available for it.

I don't know what kind of budget you have in mind but something like the new 3060 or 3070 would be a good upgrade.
I personally use 3090 but I don't just use my PC for gaming.

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Originally Posted by MPK

The game doesn't even take much advantage of the GPU. Trust me I got a 3080.

A 1060 is more than enough for this game. Your CPU is kind of a bottleneck for this game though but should be more than enough to play this old game.

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Play above 1080p and GPU plays a bigger role.

All of the new and current graphic cards are back ordered until next year so I would spend you money on upgrading the rest of your pc. A pci v4 m.2 drive will make your game feel like greased lightning but that requires a new main board and cpu.

*cries in 4k*

Its just a REALLY bad moment to upgrade and unless money doesnt matter you really should wait.

I was in the same place and saved for a gpu, but as my chances were 0 and prices skyrocked i just got a new mb and a ryzen, which is basically sleeping during ffxiv xD
...but i still torment my poor RX580.... >_>

Edit: yes a new mb with an M2 does a lot.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

A pci v4 m.2 drive will make your game feel like greased lightning but that requires a new main board and cpu.

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PCI v4 barely makes a difference atm. I would save the money and get a PCI v3 instead. At least until we get similar SSD as in next-gen console on the market to a decent price.

I use MSI Afterburner and RTSS to watch how graphic adjustments effect my fps. I've stopped running high graphic settings and go for a minimum of 60 fps. I'm hoping I can get a gpu that'll let me run 1080p 60 fps/htz at max settings.

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Originally Posted by hobostew

Aren't GPUs stupid expensive right now due to shortages or something? I doubt the reqs are going up significantly if at all.

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I have been hunting a 3060 TI, 3070, or 3080 for the last TWO MONTHS and they are all immediately sold out by bots the second they come in stock. It's gotten so bad I'm about ready to commission a whole ass new PC from one of the builders like Microcenter, then pull the GPU out. (I'm getting a custom in-desk watercooled PC....)

what would be a good setup to have a decent framerate at 4k resolution? ATM im running an fx8350 with a 1060 6gig and 32 gigs of ram. Im getting 20ish fps at 4k, with max graphics and some gshade enhancements. It seems ok, ive never gotten any lag or anything, But i imagine id notice a difference with higher fps maybe?

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Originally Posted by Vashira

what would be a good setup to have a decent framerate at 4k resolution? ATM im running an fx8350 with a 1060 6gig and 32 gigs of ram. Im getting 20ish fps at 4k, with max graphics and some gshade enhancements. It seems ok, ive never gotten any lag or anything, But i imagine id notice a difference with higher fps maybe?

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I would definitely upgrade that CPU before the GPU honestly. As for 4k the 1060 isn't gonna cut it as that's a 1080p card. You'd need to step up to an RTX 2070/3070 or AMD equivalent for playable 4K gaming. But there is a massive GPU shortage right now so it's pretty much impossible for anyone to find anything that is actually being sold for MSRP.

:edit: The reason I suggested upgrading the CPU before GPU is because that CPU is going to severely bottleneck any future GPU you purchase and you won't see much of an improvement in your framerates if that CPU isn't able to keep up with the GPU.

I've heard the CPU is a much bigger bottleneck for XIV then a GPU in terms of maintaining consistent 60 FPS and even then you're only likely to lose frames in areas with high player traffic unless you have a really weak CPU/GPU combo.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I've heard the CPU is a much bigger bottleneck for XIV then a GPU in terms of maintaining consistent 60 FPS and even then you're only likely to lose frames in areas with high player traffic unless you have a really weak CPU/GPU combo.

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You need both, but CPU really only comes into play in towns/fate/hunts/ areas with lots of people basically. Instances, it'll be GPU mostly. But again, depends on framerate you are targeting and the resolution you play at.

I locked my game to 60 fps, and I get that solid in towns with no dips, same in heavy traffic areas. But I just upgraded over the winter to 5800x and 3080, so....

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

All of the new and current graphic cards are back ordered until next year so I would spend you money on upgrading the rest of your pc. A pci v4 m.2 drive will make your game feel like greased lightning but that requires a new main board and cpu.

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All of you are correct. My CPU and MB is too old and I would probably be wasting my new GPU if I buy a new one now. Might as well save and build a whole new PC when prices and supplies stabilizes like you said. Thank you all :) I am really enjoying this game again after coming back two months ago after taking a break from Heavensward. Almost at Shadowbringer MSQ now I think :)

I am glad though that my 1060 can still run this game decently :) I lowered some of the shadow and reflection settings though just to make sure my GPU does not get taxed too much etc haha

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Originally Posted by Angus

I use MSI Afterburner and RTSS to watch how graphic adjustments effect my fps. I've stopped running high graphic settings and go for a minimum of 60 fps. I'm hoping I can get a gpu that'll let me run 1080p 60 fps/htz at max settings.

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My 3090 can but I don't expect people to get that for gaming. A 3080 would do that just fine.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I've heard the CPU is a much bigger bottleneck for XIV then a GPU in terms of maintaining consistent 60 FPS and even then you're only likely to lose frames in areas with high player traffic unless you have a really weak CPU/GPU combo.

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It does but it depends on many factors.
Take my pc for an example. I game at 1440p, uses a 3090 (don't use this for just gaming guys, it's a waste of money) and an i9 10 gen CPU. My CPU usage while gaming is not even 50%. Generally speaking everything above 1080p res the GPU is the bigger bottleneck in this game (and in general)

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

My 3090 can but I don't expect people to get that for gaming. A 3080 would do that just fine.



It does but it depends on many factors.
Take my pc for an example. I game at 1440p, uses a 3090 (don't use this for just gaming guys, it's a waste of money) and an i9 10 gen CPU. My CPU usage while gaming is not even 50%. Generally speaking everything above 1080p res the GPU is the bigger bottleneck in this game (and in general)

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Do you think my GPU/CPU combo will be fine for endwalker?

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Originally Posted by Garet

Do you think my GPU/CPU combo will be fine for endwalker?

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Just as a data point, my GTX 1070 that I paid less than $400 when it was new, is now selling on Newegg for $1085. https://www.newegg.com/nvidia-900-1g...8886-_-Product

i.e., it's a really bad time to buy a GPU

So I upgraded to an i9 10th gen CPU instead (which of course, required a new motherboard and RAM) and FFXIV works fine (all games are on SSD, FF14 on a new M.2), but I'm only playing at 1080p.

At the moment, it's not really about what is optimal, which a better GPU certainly would be, but what makes the most sense for your gaming PC's budget.

Edited Note: Last time I played FF14, a couple of years ago, was with an i7-4790k, 32 GB RAM, and I don't notice an improvement with the i9 10th gen, 64 GB RAM. But I never noticed a problem with the i7-4790k, probably because I've only been playing at 1080p, and still have the GTX 1070. We have one PC that has a RTX 2070 Super playing at 1080p (bought when GPU prices were at MSRP), which is otherwise identical to mine, and if it's performance is better than my PC, it's not enough to make me jealous (but I did buy it for my husband as a birthday present a few years ago, and I hope he recognizes there was a method to my madness).

Can I hijack this thread to ask what would be a recommended upgrade from my current 8GB RX 580 and AMD Ryzen 5 2600x that could be compatible with a B450M? I have a hard time figuring out the best way to search for trustworthy hardware upgrade recommendations, specially if I'm not trying to have an end-of-the-line PC spec.

My biggest problem with the RX 580 I have is that it gets loud as hell when I'm playing FFXIV. But I guess any newer gpu will have the same problem because they get really hot.

I'd like to be able to run the game above 1080p and for Limsa not to make my FPS below 30

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I have been hunting a 3060 TI, 3070, or 3080 for the last TWO MONTHS and they are all immediately sold out by bots the second they come in stock. It's gotten so bad I'm about ready to commission a whole ass new PC from one of the builders like Microcenter, then pull the GPU out. (I'm getting a custom in-desk watercooled PC....)

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Yup the GPUs get sold out instantly atm, even the 3060 (which i was fortunate/unfortunate to get since it's 2/3 of the strength of a 3060 ti for the same cost...) sold out in less than 10 min from my local stores. And that is with the vendor prices being 100%-200% higher than the recommanded price from nvidia and amd.

Also in regards to 4k. I fail to see a reason to aim for that resolution yet if you want to max out fps. 1080p is mostly fine, and a lot of GUIs are still lagging behind causing texts to either be miniscule or blurry (if upscaled).

Luckily other components didn't seem that badly priced, other than the newest i7-9 11 something cpu's being worse than the 10-series.

I'm currently running an RTX 2060 EVO Edition with a Ryzen7 3700X on a B550 Tomahawk with 32 gigs of Vengeance RAM. I have all my games on an M.2 Drive. I'm able to play it on maxed out settings with fps somewhere between 90-120/130 depending on whether or not I'm in Limsa or not. LOL! Alliance Raids and big FATES and whatnot are usually 100+ fps. With the game on the M.2 drive there are no load times. I use an ultra widescreen monitor and I think my resolution is like 2560x1440 or something like that. I'm at work so can't look it up.

Having said that, I originally upgraded it to that level for Cyberpunk, but for playing FF XIV my 1660 Ti and Ryzen 7 with my games on a regular hard drive would play it 100+ fps except for in heavy areas it may drop down to 40-50 fps with maxed out settings. It even played fine at maxed settings on my old 1060Ti and a Ryzen 5 though Limsa would slog it down from time to time.

How much of a graphical upgrade is FF getting with Endwalker? I heard the faster loading times and server speed up stuff and maybe some small graphics tweaks but nothing that would require someone to upgrade their system for.

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Originally Posted by Garet

Do you think my GPU/CPU combo will be fine for endwalker?

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yes. On my old pc ( that being used for NAS nowadays) has similar specs to yours and run fine (high preset and usually 60 fps everywhere)

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Originally Posted by Tommara

(but I did buy it for my husband as a birthday present a few years ago, and I hope he recognizes there was a method to my madness).

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Lol. You are are an awesome gamer wife.

Yes I decided to stick with what I have and will just build one in the future when everything is more or less normal and I have the budget :)

Best bet right now is to buy a prebuilt with the GPU you want. Newer CPUs like Ryzen 5000 series or Intel 11th gen will help too since they have huge IPC increase and 14 loves its cpu performance.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Can I hijack this thread to ask what would be a recommended upgrade from my current 8GB RX 580 and AMD Ryzen 5 2600x that could be compatible with a B450M? I have a hard time figuring out the best way to search for trustworthy hardware upgrade recommendations, specially if I'm not trying to have an end-of-the-line PC spec.

My biggest problem with the RX 580 I have is that it gets loud as hell when I'm playing FFXIV. But I guess any newer gpu will have the same problem because they get really hot.

I'd like to be able to run the game above 1080p and for Limsa not to make my FPS below 30

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You'd have to look to see if you can update the bios to use ryzen 5000 on yours, if not maybe a 3700x 8-core would be a decent upgrade. If your RX 580 is a blower card not much you can do, maybe increase case airflow so you have more cool air so the fan can run slower.

Another RTX3080 user here. Id say with FFXIV's current demanded you are in perfect range for 1080p. Even with what I have now it doesnt make much of a difference past 60-90 fps range, it all looks the same and feels the same. I currently play on 1440p and get around 150-200fps and notice no difference than when i played on my previous 1060.

Its all about the future proofing in todays rigs and right now isnt a good time to buy. Hold what you got but i hope you get something you enjoy in the future!

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Originally Posted by ChrisFalcoril

Another RTX3080 user here. Id say with FFXIV's current demanded you are in perfect range for 1080p. Even with what I have now it doesnt make much of a difference past 60-90 fps range, it all looks the same and feels the same. I currently play on 1440p and get around 150-200fps and notice no difference than when i played on my previous 1060.

Its all about the future proofing in todays rigs and right now isnt a good time to buy. Hold what you got but i hope you get something you enjoy in the future!

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Agree. If i buy a VC right now it will not be future proof since my MB and CPU is on its last leg and too expensive right now because of the mentioned supply issues. Might as well build a good one from scratch in the future. :)