Please stop putting trials in leveling dungeons

Hey. So im actually tired of them screwing me up with my daily leveling dungeon, always getting Garuda or some other useless instance which provides NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL. And they know full well they aint dungeons, if they where theyd count on the weekly diary as completed dungeons but they dont. They just want us to babysit those trials and im ok with it, just dont screw us over with the experience

Good news, they have in fact stopped doing that.
Perhaps I'll be corrected on this, but I don't think any of the post ARR trials are in the levelling roulette.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Good news, they have in fact stopped doing that.
Perhaps I'll be corrected on this, but I don't think any of the post ARR trials are in the levelling roulette.

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That doesn't solve the existing problem, though. The existing ARR trials should be shifted to the trial roulette, increased to 8 players if necessary for programming reasons.

Out of curiosity, how do they screw you? It’s a 5 minute run and the exp bonus at the end is tied to the disparity between your level and the contents level. At worst you miss out on exp from mob kills but if that’s what you were after you should have queued for your highest level leveling dungeon.

The only dungeon that provides decent experience is the first one. If i get a trial im screwed. Curiosity satisfied?

the ARR trials are enought to screw 1 out of 4 dungeons i get

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

That doesn't solve the existing problem, though. The existing ARR trials should be shifted to the trial roulette, increased to 8 players if necessary for programming reasons.

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The request was to "stop putting trials in leveling dungeons."
My response is that they long since have.


Wether it's a problem the ARR trials are in the roulette is a different topic.
Regardless of whether they're in the roulette or not, some dungeons just give more exp than others. Even though the level roulette gives bonus exp based on the difference between your level and the level of the duty you get. Even though there is this balancing factor so if you get into lower level duties it still gives relevant exp... getting Sastasha will still award less than the highest possible level duty you could run. Heck, I'm pretty sure Garuda and co. still give better exp than Copperbell or Halatali and the like.
With this in mind, if there is a problem... it's not the trials being in the levelling roulette, it's the fact that some duties are still more worth getting in the roulette. If level roulettes gave a flat % of your level instead it would be "more fair," though that has it's own pros and cons. But...
/shrug
I didn't think this thread was about that so I didn't bring it up lol.

Also, I personally like seeing them when they pop up and would be sad to see them removed.
I have everything leveled I want, so I only ever run it for tomestones. When I get into one of the primals I'm happy because I know I'll be outta there in 2 minutes and can move onto my next roulette quicker.

I love getting Ifrit, Titan and Garuda story mode in DR Leveling. Very fast and easy xp.

If the run is 3 min and gives 1 mil, while a dungeon run is 16 min and gives 4 mil, I don't see exactly how you got "screwed".

You only see the 4 vs 1 thingy, and not the fact you just saved more than 10 mins you could put to use to queue a regular dungeon.

No, ifrit, garuda, and titan normal are still in lvling roulette, simply because there's nowhere else to put them.

But yeah, you get less exp compared to a standard dungeon, but the exp gained per time spent is higher.

I don't mind trials in the leveling roulette for ARR since they are 4 man runs, not true trials. That's the problem with them and why they aren't in the trial roulette. Think about it: The trial roulette is for 8 characters, the only option to make the old ones work would be to split the pre-formed group into two groups of 4, and then have two instances formed. That's a not so small amount of work they'd have to put time into right now into a system that for the most part, is working pretty well.

The main problems that exist in the game is the organized play dungeons like going floors 101-200 in PoTD. I don't think people should be forced to do those in a fixed group anymore due to it being such an old piece of content. Socially, FFXIV's end game community is sort of about doing the latest and greatest late in the patch cycle. 101-200 for relic is more of a retro run scenario that people do at the onset of a new expansion when the latest and greatest is still coming online.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

I don't mind trials in the leveling roulette for ARR since they are 4 man runs, not true trials. That's the problem with them and why they aren't in the trial roulette. Think about it: The trial roulette is for 8 characters, the only option to make the old ones work would be to split the pre-formed group into two groups of 4, and then have two instances formed. That's a not so small amount of work they'd have to put time into right now into a system that for the most part, is working pretty well.

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This problem you describe doesn't actually exist. DR:Guildhests and DR:Mentor have no problem matching people for either 4- or 8- person content or 4- 8- or 24- person content, respectively.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

This problem you describe doesn't actually exist. DR:Guildhests and DR:Mentor have no problem matching people for either 4- or 8- person content or 4- 8- or 24- person content, respectively.

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And they basically don't support DR: Guildhests and DR: Mentor is a joke? I mean, I tried it but... yeah.

Bonus from roulette is based in your level and not if it's a Dungeon/Trial.
If you still want mob XP, you can then queue for highest level dungeon.

Yeah, you lose 5 minutes but when you're time restricted getting a trial it's a godsend.

Leveling is there to help fill spots for those going through the under lv 50 content, I love it when I get a trial as I know it will be quick and I will save time.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

This problem you describe doesn't actually exist. DR:Guildhests and DR:Mentor have no problem matching people for either 4- or 8- person content or 4- 8- or 24- person content, respectively.

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The guildhest roulette actually does have problems. Even the devs have said as much waaaaay way back.

The problem is that 8 man guildhest will almost never pop because of how the duty finder works.

If for example you have 10 healers in the queue and 50dps for the guildhest roulette.

The second a tank joins the queue the duty finder will match up a 4 man Guildhest. Then when another tank joins and they'll match another 4 man Guildhest and another and another.. The duty finder system will never sit and wait for a second tank to match that 8 man guildhest when it can get players into a 4 man.

The only time it will ever try and match the 8 is if someone queues it specifically and even then it can take a life time to pop because everytime it's possible to make a 4 man party for the roulette it'll take those 4 people out of the queue for the 8 man guildhest... This was a huge complaint back in ARR because essentially the only way to get it done was either a preformed party or queue as a tank.

It's also the same reason the 8 man dungeons from the MSQ are in a seperate MSQ roulette and not tied in with the 50 roulette. and the same reason again the devs said no to adding ARF to the msq roulette in heavensward.

If you put the 4 man story trials in Trials Roulette you'd break it because the same thing would happen. Every time the system can make a light party it will do so and shove those players in a 4 man trial.. meaning you'd basically never get an 8 man trial.

The only reason it works in the mentor roulette is because the mentor roulette essentially just queues you for every other roulette and its a case of which queue dings first...