The level 60 RDM quest is literally impossible EVEN ON very easy. Please fix!

The enemy you fight pulls you to him and gives you a 4x vuln stack debuff which is completely unavoidable. before he is down to 70%, I have a 12x stack and instantly die in one hit. Those debuff stacks are completely unavoidable as he pulls you to him to attack EVEN from clear across the room.

The girl DOES NOT EVEN heal herself and my vercure even when used twice is super weak. She just badly tries to prioritize me. She dies = instant fail. She WILL NOT heal herself by ANY means and she is the MAIN target of the bad guy.

I cannot even get him down below 68% because of all these IMPOSSIBLE to avoid things

I failed 6 times in a row on very easy. That tells you that even on very easy, it is impossible.

Please fix this solo duty

I mean, it's clearly not impossible since I imagine 99% of people who play RDM have done it (there's always outliers, etc.). I've done it, I don't remember lowering the difficulty, and I'm no god at this game. Though it was many moons ago so I can't recall anything from it, but have you checked a guide or something? Perhaps you're missing an important mechanic.

What's your gear/weapon like? 99% of the time problems with the job quests are down to not having semi decent gear and it really does make a massive difference.

The OP keep posting threads about unlikely and far fetched scenario.

So don't take the bait.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

The OP keep posting threads about unlikely and far fetched scenario.

So don't take the bait.

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If not a troll, then a person who genuinely thinks one of his characters is singled out to get bad Frontline teams while others get good ones, and who went oddly silent after berating people for giving "invalid answers" to his troubleshooting issue.

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If you are picking up 12x vulnerability and dying in a "very easy" fight, then you are probably using the wrong strategy. Pay more attention to the fight and what the game tells you, or upgrade your gear.

Just ran through the youtube videos from Zane Lionheart and Mithrie for that quest. The debuff falls off if you cure yourself completely. Still takes a long time to get through that fight (5+ minutes). LOTS of movement required. Still, I think I finished it in two tries, with no "easier modes" available. Took me more than 5+ minutes though, if I remember correctly. That fight (and the Samurai 54 fight) were not easy by any means.

Took about two hours but it is completed now.

Gear: half Shire, half Ironworks (Poetics cap)

Main problem was Arya kept dying. I ended up trying to spam vercure on her whenever she got low. This method failed four times until it worked. I had to bait AoEs away from her. When Lambard was at 2%, a bunch of AoEs followed me and apparently he was attacking Arya while I ran to avoid the AoEs. After the AoEs, I noticed that Arya was next to nothing in health and I had a stack marker on me. I decided to take the debuff and not stack with Arya because if I did, she would be killed and it would be another fail. I then finished Lambard off

I did it first time in full Shire gear and don’t remember it being challenging, but I remember doing the ninja one with my levelling gear, it being a nightmare, then being really easy with the shire gear.

I think they’re tuned for 60 then 70 dungeon gear, and a lot of people are taking them on in the previous expansions gear.

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Originally Posted by MoltresRider

Took about two hours but it is completed now.

Gear: half Shire, half Ironworks (Poetics cap)

Main problem was Arya kept dying. I ended up trying to spam vercure on her whenever she got low. This method failed four times until it worked. I had to bait AoEs away from her. When Lambard was at 2%, a bunch of AoEs followed me and apparently he was attacking Arya while I ran to avoid the AoEs. After the AoEs, I noticed that Arya was next to nothing in health and I had a stack marker on me. I decided to take the debuff and not stack with Arya because if I did, she would be killed and it would be another fail. I then finished Lambard off

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Yeah...half of your problem was most likely the Ironworks gear. Should have been out of that around 55-56 at the earliest. The rest...well, let's just say that most people probably haven't had this hard of a time. There is nothing to fix. I will leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by MoltresRider

The level 60 RDM quest is literally impossible EVEN ON very easy. Please fix!

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It is literally possible.

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Please learn to actually follow what the game says to do, play your job correctly, and get proper gear for the level of content you are attempting to do, before blaming the game for your own inability to do the above.

The lv.60 quest can be tricky at first but is by no means impossible, especially if you're playing on Baby's First MMO difficulty versus the regular version.

Hmm. The post format and the Pokemon themed name seems rather familiar. Suppose the guy must have gotten banned from the xiv subreddit itself and not just the discord for his constant spam.

Well like someone pointed out this is more than likely a troll but for people who might be having a similar issue, I had the same in some lvl job 60 quests and that is because lvl 50 gear is absolutely too weak for the lvl 60 class quests making them impossible when you have to face boss npcs, which happens often since by the time you are 60 you might just be arriving at heavensward considering how high the xp rates are so you are technically not ready for them gear wise and you can’t access lvl 60 gear vendor till the end of heavensward. (And new players won’t have the Gil to buy 60 gear)

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half Ironworks

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You shouldn't have any Ironworks gear on at lvl 60 and expect to have a normal game experience. Especially in solo duties in which there is no one to carry you.

There is a rather glaring disparity in the gear requirements for the level 60 RDM/SAM quests vs. the other level 60 job quests; the reason being that when they released the "normal" ilvl at that point in the game's life was much higher then it was for the other jobs due to level 60 vendor gear being available and what not. The same also applies to the level 60 introductory quests for some of the SB questlines like WAR as well as the level 70 DNC/GNB (Which expect you to be in the ShB level 70 gear at minimum).

I was rather caught off-guard by how badly the SAM quest floored me when I tried jumping into it immediately after hitting 60 like I did with all of the other jobs, but simply upgrading to shire gear fixed that.

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The girl DOES NOT EVEN heal herself and my vercure even when used twice is super weak.

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Which is why you keep all the AOEs away from her that you can. Heal to full as needed.

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Took about two hours but it is completed now.
I had to bait AoEs away from her.

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There you go. Not impossible, just a mechanic to learn and perfect.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

There is a rather glaring disparity in the gear requirements for the level 60 RDM/SAM quests vs. the other level 60 job quests; the reason being that when they released the "normal" ilvl at that point in the game's life was much higher then it was for the other jobs due to level 60 vendor gear being available and what not. The same also applies to the level 60 introductory quests for some of the SB questlines like WAR as well as the level 70 DNC/GNB (Which expect you to be in the ShB level 70 gear at minimum).

I was rather caught off-guard by how badly the SAM quest floored me when I tried jumping into it immediately after hitting 60 like I did with all of the other jobs, but simply upgrading to shire gear fixed that.

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This TBH. They expect you to be in nothing lower than i230 gear really(which completely mops the floor with any other 60 fight). I did the RDM fight on my LP alt, and I wasn't thinking too highly of it. I didn't even know Arya could die. I was still using most of my leveling gear, which was still mostly Ironworks gear. I had the shire weapon and 3 i255 accessories, and basically it took a lot longer than it was supposed to, the Void Fire got close to going off, and Arya almost died. She has roughly 80,000 HP, but she won't move out of AOEs, so it goes away quickly.

That was on normal though. I imagine the OP was still using an Ironworks weapon. Weapon upgrades are very important.

While obviously not impossible, I actually did find a few of the quests for RDM and SAM a little tougher than expected on level throughout Stormblood. Not a bad thing, but they're far from the cakewalk of a lot of other job quests.

Can you describe what the level 60 RDM quest is? Cause I did it, I had no issues at all and thus completely vacuumed it out of my mind.

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Can you describe what the level 60 RDM quest is? Cause I did it, I had no issues at all and thus completely vacuumed it out of my mind.

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It's about here https://youtu.be/Y4fBROOgDr0?t=1114

(Funnily enough this player lets her eat the last three AOEs and she dies after the duty complete pops up. heh.)

Gotta keep those AOEs off her.

I love how posts like these are always "It's impossible, fix it NOW!" instead of trying to ask "hey guys, I'm stuck on this quest, does anyone have any tips?" first. It says a lot really.

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I love how posts like these are always "It's impossible, fix it NOW!" instead of trying to ask "hey guys, I'm stuck on this quest, does anyone have any tips?" first. It says a lot really.

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B-b-but... it's too hard...! Dumb it down please! (1)

(Yeah, I just copied my own text from another thread... other than that yet I hard agree...)

Also gratz to the creator for finally passing the quest.

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Hmm. The post format and the Pokemon themed name seems rather familiar. Suppose the guy must have gotten banned from the xiv subreddit itself and not just the discord for his constant spam.

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Yeah think I've seen them in a few XIV facebook groups as well with eerily similar nonsense posts.

That or it’s new titanman. Either way they’re in the same category now.

While I'd call it one of the more difficult level 60 job quests, it's by no means impossible.

A few tips for players from the future who are having problems with it and come across this thread:

Upgrade your gear to level 60 gear. Gear really does make a difference.

Use Vercure to heal yourself when your HP drops below 50%. You're not going to run out of mana for attacks.

Try to avoid standing next to Arya and never let her get between you and the boss. That way AoEs targeting you won't hit her and drop her HP even more.

There's one crystal formation in the encounter area that's quite a bit larger than the others. You can use that formation to interrupt the most annoying of the boss's special abilities (the column that stretches with you) by getting on the opposite side to block line of sight. You'll know it's interrupted because the ground indicator will disappear. It's only the large formation that will work for this, the smaller ones and the trees won't.

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Gear: half Shire, half Ironworks (Poetics cap)

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Thats why it was so hard and took you so long. You weren't geared for the Duty.
ALWAYS make sure your gear is up to date.

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Originally Posted by MoltresRider

The enemy you fight pulls you to him and gives you a 4x vuln stack debuff which is completely unavoidable. before he is down to 70%, I have a 12x stack and instantly die in one hit. Those debuff stacks are completely unavoidable as he pulls you to him to attack EVEN from clear across the room.

The girl DOES NOT EVEN heal herself and my vercure even when used twice is super weak. She just badly tries to prioritize me. She dies = instant fail. She WILL NOT heal herself by ANY means and she is the MAIN target of the bad guy.

I cannot even get him down below 68% because of all these IMPOSSIBLE to avoid things

I failed 6 times in a row on very easy. That tells you that even on very easy, it is impossible.

Please fix this solo duty

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No it is not, if you macroed ever skill you do.. then yes you will run into problems because it causes skill lag... I completed all caster quests here... I totally suck at playing any caster in this game, and I did it and got every single job to 80.

If you don't gear up, you will suffer, if you don't pay attention you will suffer, and maybe you should look into what you can do different than anything else as in 99.99% of all players who went RDM to 60+ passed this.

Ill be honest i struggled with it compared to whm and drk 60 quest rdm was alot harder with about same gear i had on others.. I manged it after 2 times.. But i have to agree from the ones i did that one was a bit more annoying.

My issue was a. She wasnt healing and always got in the aoe for soul snatch.. I didnt die she did then it was gg i was handling him fine all 3 times

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Main problem was Arya kept dying. I ended up trying to spam vercure on her whenever she got low. This method failed four times until it worked. I had to bait AoEs away from her.

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Ah, yes I remember that quest. What a royal pain the the butt!

The boss is no problemo for me but keeping the moronic NPC alive was such a struggle.
I ended up running like an idiot just hoping the voids would spawn away from her.

There is nothing I hate more in video games than NPCs with crap AI I need to protect. Reminds me of the dumb girl in Far Cry that always hopped in front of my rifle just when I was about to fire lol.

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Thats why it was so hard and took you so long. You weren't geared for the Duty.
ALWAYS make sure your gear is up to date.

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Oh how dare you, you cant expect ppl to gear up for anything, its just a nuisance for new players! xD

I still say we need an absolute min ilvl on everything... ppl dont learn the gentle way and cheat with an cheep ring - since they overlevel so fast nowadays its even easier to just tack on a 300+ ring on shire stuff and be good lol


But tbf, i hate that "keep NPC alive even if he wants desperately to die" BS as you cant even target em properly...

It is always infinitely easier to blame a game or expect it to change for you, rather than admit it could be you while you change for it. Comments like "Git Gud" are unhelpful at face-value, but is often (surprisingly) the right answer in most of said threads.

If I learned anything back when I was a newcomer to FFXIV, it's that the game absolutely loves making it painfully obvious what it expects you to do - be it introductory mechanics or literal monologues in the middle of the screen screaming at you to DO THIS THING IF YOU WANT TO BEAT THE DUTY. I could be wrong, and I have no desire to play RDM to find out, but I hazard a guess that the NPC being mentioned in the thread is probably spewing dialogue along the lines of "Keep dem big bawls of fire off mah azz!" in big, bright, noticeable speech bubbles smack in the middle of the screen that a lot of people blot out of sight and mind while playing. I know I've done it plenty of times and probably failed once or twice for not reading things as a result, but you won't find me blaming the game for those cases. You won't fail many duty's in the game, but if you do, be sure to try and properly absorb it on repeat attempts. It's generally something simple being missed while you go through the 'dodge all the AoE' motions.

Got all but a few classes to 70-80 and their respective class-quests are the last thing that have challenged me in any capacity. As said, they are often made painfully obvious through dialogue or mechanics and the vast majority get grossly annihilated by the next tier of gear, which is easy to acquire as an omni-crafter (or someone who caps their tomes and knows where to buy the latest set during levelling milestones). Alas, the poster seems to have been wearing 50% level 50 and 50% Shire at the time, which is basically a big no-no, yet you see it alllllll the time in Duty Finder. I recall meeting a tank wearing various gear-slots at up to 100il lower than others and wondering why the mobs were stinging.

I've just done this quest last week and I didn't ever think it was supposed to be difficult... Maybe there were machanics you had to do that were in other fights in the game so it was second nature to me. Maybe it's because I wait to do the quests when I have the next tier of tome gear so my stats are good, but I don't think it should be that hard...

Augmented Shire armor is ilvl 270. Straight out-of-the-box gear at level 60 will be around ilvl 150/160. This is the gear level that should be minimal (ilevel 150 or so) necessary for the level 60 quests. If the devs required ilevel 270 to complete the quest, they would have put it into the requirements for the duty.

The real trick for the quest is the casting of vercure to remove the debuff, not the fact that you overgear the quest by 120 ilevels ...

Sure, you can use poetics, if you haven't been doing MSQ and instances only and ignored those things that give you poetics, and don't spend gil on the marketboard, in the race to end-game.

It took me awhile to beat him, I realized I was really undergeared. After gearing up, it wasn't too bad. How I wished RDM played in a similar fashion as he did.

Rather than stand back and casting spells for days before going in for the melee combo.

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Augmented Shire armor is ilvl 270. Straight out-of-the-box gear at level 60 will be around ilvl 150/160. This is the gear level that should be minimal (ilevel 150 or so) necessary for the level 60 quests.

Sure, you can use poetics, if you haven't been doing MSQ and instances only and ignored those things that give you poetics, and don't spend gil on the marketboard, in the race to end-game.

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I am guessing it was an old design they had at that time that got fixed for later expansions, it was only specifically 60 class quests that many were impossible with 50 gear, but for later expansions having full poetic gear from the previous expansion didnt really cause me any problems and was more than good enough till I could unlock the next expansion poetic gear vendor unlike 60 where I ended up having to wait for a while to get through the msq to get that lvl 60 vendor so I had to delay my samurai lvl 60 quest for quite a while since I had only just arrived at ishgard yet was 60something already.

I kinda wish they would just unlock poetics vendors when you reach that level rather than the end of the msq

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I've just done this quest last week and I didn't ever think it was supposed to be difficult... Maybe there were machanics you had to do that were in other fights in the game so it was second nature to me. Maybe it's because I wait to do the quests when I have the next tier of tome gear so my stats are good, but I don't think it should be that hard...

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There's a considerable difference in difficulty between doing the quest with an ilvl of 145 (what a player who just hit level 60 but hasn't obtained any level 60 gear likely has) and ilvl 270 (what you have with Augmented Shire). "Considerable" is probably an understatement, extreme might be more accurate. The upcoming stat squish in Endwalker will actually help in this situation since the gap in stats will decrease significantly.

If you want to get an idea of what it's like, job quests are now part of NG+. Get a set of the lower ilvl gear and run through the quests, then try to forget everything you know about how the fight works when you do it.

If RDM is the player's main job, their MSQ progress could be far behind their job level so they won't even have access to the Shire gear (have to complete 3.0 MSQ first). They will still have access to gear from the MB but may not be able to afford a full set of the crafted 255 gear depending on their local prices. The less gear they're able to afford, the more difficult that quest becomes.

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but I hazard a guess that the NPC being mentioned in the thread is probably spewing dialogue along the lines of "Keep dem big bawls of fire off mah azz!" in big, bright, noticeable speech bubbles smack in the middle of the screen that a lot of people blot out of sight and mind while playing.

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Yep. You have to heal yourself to get rid of the debuff and the NPC you're with tells you this. Now granted it's not in speech bubbles so it's wherever you have your chat, but same concept.

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Originally Posted by Moonsprite

Is this the fight where you are told to bring antidotes? If you didn’t have any or didn’t use them, the fight would be tough.

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No, that's the level 70 fight. And you don't need antidotes for that one if you've got Augmented Scaeven gear. The fight won't last long enough for the DoT to be a problem.

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Is this the fight where you are told to bring antidotes? If you didn’t have any or didn’t use them, the fight would be tough.

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Yeah that's the 70 fight and I was amused by how many times and how many characters told you to bring some darn antidotes, lol. I was like "I think they want me to bring some antidotes."

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Yeah that's the 70 fight and I was amused by how many times and how many characters told you to bring some darn antidotes, lol. I was like "I think they want me to bring some antidotes."

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Huh. That clearly went right over my head. I don't recall even buying antidotes (among other things) since the first week POTD came out.