"Go easy, DDs" = Issue

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04-22-2012, 07:44 PM
Reynhart

"Go easy, DDs" = Issue

Several posts point towards the fact that PLD need some time to build hate before DDs could actually join in the fun.

There could be a very small improvement to fix this issue.

Flash should be modified to give A LOT more Enmity if used on a non-agressive enemy.
This way, if PLD engage with Flash, they will have a very nice boost on enmity and DD could start the fight just after without worrying about enmity. Of course, in the long term, PLD still have to manage his enmity/MP/Cooldown if he wants to stay at the top.

Besides, GLA would also benefit from it, for people who prefer tanking with it.
04-22-2012, 08:02 PM
HiirNoivl

As a PLD I dont' have this problem. There's enough enemy + accessories now to make keeping hate easy for even a n00bie/terrible PLD.
04-22-2012, 09:23 PM
Reynhart

Indeed there are ways to counter this issue, but it makes us focus mainly on enmity gear.
With this, maybe we can pick our materia and stuff in the defense department
04-22-2012, 09:50 PM
HiirNoivl

I've strengthened my VIT on my PLD, unfortunately this means putting aside some of the AF gear which looks awesome but has terrible stats. With only AF gear (no accessories) You have a pretty sad DEF 630/VIT 275. With my mixed AF set up, no accessories, it's DEF675/VIT314 So, not all that big of a change (not even capped) but it makes it easier to stack enmity with accessories and Materia without sacrificing DEF/VIT. Maybe someone can post an optimal set up for the current PLD, I know I don't have it and I would like to know what it is.
04-23-2012, 08:26 AM
Frein

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

As a PLD I dont' have this problem. There's enough enemy + accessories now to make keeping hate easy for even a n00bie/terrible PLD.

Enmity+ is incredibly inefficient as you need +30 to gain just a 1% increase in enmity generated. If you're holding hate well, it's because of other factors.
04-23-2012, 09:33 AM
Hoshikogi

I would not worry much about this for long. Since the developers are keeping quiet (at least that's what other players are saying) I'm sure they plan to "adjust" warrior such that this will no longer be an issue, that is, unless the developers are willing to provide information concerning this particular matter.
04-23-2012, 11:39 AM
Peptaru

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frein

Enmity+ is incredibly inefficient as you need +30 to gain just a 1% increase in enmity generated. If you're holding hate well, it's because of other factors.

Each +1 to enmity = roughly a .1% increase. +30 enmity would be a 3% increase in hate generated by any action the pld takes. 30 =/= 1%.

Critical rate is shown at about a 30/1 ratio.
04-25-2012, 04:50 AM
Nanamix

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

As a PLD I dont' have this problem. There's enough enemy + accessories now to make keeping hate easy for even a n00bie/terrible PLD.

Problem is, some of us don't have the luxury on some materia or gears. PLD is very gear dependent.
04-25-2012, 04:53 AM
nokinator

madining potion
04-25-2012, 05:45 AM
Frein

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peptaru

Each +1 to enmity = roughly a .1% increase. +30 enmity would be a 3% increase in hate generated by any action the pld takes. 30 =/= 1%.

Critical rate is shown at about a 30/1 ratio.

Hmm, I'll have to double check my numbers. In any case, it's bad.
04-25-2012, 06:17 AM
HiirNoivl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nanamix

Problem is, some of us don't have the luxury on some materia or gears. PLD is very gear dependent.

It sure is, isn't it? In fact, I think gear is important for most classes. I think it's pretty much impossible to max stats without materia. And it's not really worth the effort and gil right now. So why even bother right?
04-26-2012, 08:44 AM
Filtiarne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frein

Hmm, I'll have to double check my numbers. In any case, it's bad.

Full darklight + maddening potion + jewelry its possible to reach nearly +250 enmity which is 25% increase. Last I checked a +25% increase in anything from gear is pretty damn good.
04-26-2012, 09:11 AM
Headfilter

I don't have issues with threat at all, in fights like ifrit its safe to allow your DPS to start right after you spirits within. As long as you're using both vokes on cool down using wardrum on cool down and goring blade combo on cool down, you should never lose aggro. At least I've never lost it to dps during the fight.
05-03-2012, 02:50 PM
MoarLegion

I take issue with this thread's title:

Pld: "DDs take it easy." = Fine.
War: "You wanna DD on all cylinders? lol like i give a shit." = Not fine.

Enmity should be a something DD should have to manage regardless of tank.
05-05-2012, 09:50 AM
Frein

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filtiarne

Full darklight + maddening potion + jewelry its possible to reach nearly +250 enmity which is 25% increase. Last I checked a +25% increase in anything from gear is pretty damn good.

Last I checked full darklight + maddeing potion + jewelry is pretty damn hard to achieve. To be fair, +enmity is good if your DDs are hugging the hate ceiling, but I suspect too many try to use it as a crutch when they should be looking at their hate rotations instead of worrying about miniscule effects from hate gear.