How is PVP in this game?

The latest game update made me curious about something: what is the PvP like in this game? Is cheating with bot accounts rampant, or was it a one-off that was swiftly banned (as they have stated in the update)? Are people friendly in PvP, or is it more like an XBox Live experience? I certainly do not want to play with people who are shouting profanities at my ear so any information is appreciated before I try it out!

Cheating isn't rampant, because SE would crack down on it immediately like they just did.

Nobody shouts profanities, because they would get reported for it, but there can be tension sometimes, often just over eachothers' actions. In The Feast (the PvP without objectives) you actually can't chat.

I personally find PvP really fun, but you will find a lot of people like to say it's boring.

You can do it from level 30, so you can queue for it right now and see if you want.

I wouldn't suggest listening to the main opinion from people in the category on the forums, because whereas they arrive at a similar conclusion, they lack the nuance.

Cheating in PVP is as follows;

Frontlines and rival wings cheating:

In frontlines and rival wings, you may have afk bots (like on SB release, when it had huge xp gains) and still kind of does, from farmers. It's annoying and happens a little bit but nothing game ruining.

The actual hacking of flying mechs in rival wings is something that has happened a few times, but happened a fair bit recently and has been dealt with.

Across all PVP modes there have been speed hackers and SE have been inconsistent to ban them. Sometimes getting them, sometimes never.

Rival wings community:

The pvp community exists in rival wings and is fairly healthy. https://discord.gg/sYgdUv5nFM

They get games going every weekend and are quick to form parties and advice, not overly competitive, lots of people want their Monke or title.


The Feast Community:

Now feast is a troublesome child.

Ranked modes bring out the worst in any games as we know, se have no party chat so if anyone is going to be toxic, they have to do it after, via pms, which you can report and I know of flamers that have been banned.

There is the pvpaissa community https://discord.gg/7yAnAHX which is for pvp as a whole, but mainly for ranked and considering the nature of a ranked game mode that has a terrible matchmaking system, it's pretty healthy too. Yeah you might get the annoyed passive aggressive comment in there, but a lot of feasters are depressed people who spend way too much time playing this terrible game mode because it's the only thing they're good at, so you'll need to forgive and understand them.

The Feast and cheating:

Now cheating regarding feast will usually have people tell you

"Feast is all wintraders and boosters"

Which is far from the truth. I'd say on any given top 100 board, 90%+ players are legit. And if someone is being boosted or wintrading, the average pleb that tells you it's all cheating isn't actually good enough themselves to notice how cheating is done.

I believe primal had a boosted Rank 1 in season 14/15 and nothing happened to that player.
Again, there have been boosts on Chaos and Light and nothing has ever happened to these players.

Wintraders, when they're caught, usually get removed from the board, it's happened already on light. However SE doesn't remove their rewards, nor do they retroactively remove rewards off them from previous seasons (which they absolutely should). A wintrader on chaos, that got mad and flamed everyone once a GM caught him and banned him for a week still uses his top 10 title and season 9 armour glam :/

So tl;dr
If you are being boosted you won't get caught, SE don't care, however if you wintrade or hack, you will be caught eventually, just you probably won't receive too much of a punishment for it.

Normal, it's not an aberration like FFXI (God still gives me PTSD the pvp of that game) but it's not even remotely good like Wow or GW2.

The main problems already come from the servers and the game code to the point that they tried to fix it by increasing the distance of the male attacks but of course it is still a problem especially when you use a potion and the healing of this comes later, this happens a lot especially in skills like Holmang or CC in general where you have to "predict" what the other is going to do because it is impossible to react as in other games because of skills it has a delay in general that in PVE is not a problem but in PVP affects a lot.

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Originally Posted by Shinklet

I wouldn't suggest listening to the main opinion from people in the category on the forums, because whereas they arrive at a similar conclusion, they lack the nuance.

Cheating in PVP is as follows;

Frontlines and rival wings cheating:

In frontlines and rival wings, you may have afk bots (like on SB release, when it had huge xp gains) and still kind of does, from farmers. It's annoying and happens a little bit but nothing game ruining.

The actual hacking of flying mechs in rival wings is something that has happened a few times, but happened a fair bit recently and has been dealt with.

Across all PVP modes there have been speed hackers and SE have been inconsistent to ban them. Sometimes getting them, sometimes never.

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Man, the situation is not even remotely similar to what it was years ago, do I have to remember things like this in Stormblood?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kb92WtJ0NY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abp3jlvNvls

Not if it ended up banning people but during all that expansion the Frontlines were shit because they began to give experience by playing. In Shadowbringers I have hardly seen these situations and during my 100 victories in the last Frontline I count on the fingers of my hands similar situations and that I played in both Primal and Crystal.

it's bad don't do it

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Thank you for the in-depth overview. Looks like I should avoid the Feast if I'm not too serious about PVP!

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Cheating isn't rampant, because SE would crack down on it immediately like they just did.

Nobody shouts profanities, because they would get reported for it, but there can be tension sometimes, often just over eachothers' actions. In The Feast (the PvP without objectives) you actually can't chat.

I personally find PvP really fun, but you will find a lot of people like to say it's boring.

You can do it from level 30, so you can queue for it right now and see if you want.

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I'll give the Level 30 PvP a shot, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Nayout

Normal, it's not an aberration like FFXI's (God still gives me PTSD the pvp of that game) but it's not even remotely good like Wow or GW2.

The main problems already come from the servers and the game code to the point that they tried to fix it by increasing the distance of the male attacks but of course it is still a problem especially when you use a potion and the healing of this comes later, this happens a lot especially in skills like Holmang or CC in general where you have to "predict" what the other is going to do because it is impossible to react as in other games because of skills it has a delay in general that in PVE is not a problem but in PVP affects a lot.

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Good point about the delay issue. I've noticed that FF14 feels laggy sometimes.

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Originally Posted by SecretIsland

Thank you for the in-depth overview. Looks like I should avoid the Feast if I'm not too serious about PVP!



I'll give the Level 30 PvP a shot, thanks.



Good point about the delay issue. I've noticed that FF14 feels laggy sometimes.

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I recommend you before trying since your first time can be frustrating is to see a guide
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...pguide/system/

Go to the pvp area, fix your hotbard, check the objectives of each map and enter to test. Always have your map open, read the chat and do not attempt suicide attacks as you will only make your team lose points.

I'll put it this way: the hotfix announcement was the first time I remembered there *ACTUALLY WAS PvP* in this game since mid-2019.

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Originally Posted by Nayout

I recommend you before trying since your first time can be frustrating is to see a guide
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...pguide/system/

Go to the pvp area, fix your hotbard, check the objectives of each map and enter to test. Always have your map open, read the chat and do not attempt suicide attacks as you will only make your team lose points.

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These are good points, be sure to go to the Wolves' Den Pier and set up your PVP hotbars there. PVP hotbars are stored seperately and there's some abilities that only exist in that context.

Try to move with the group. Generally someone will be trying to call the shots for the alliance, and you want to be working with your teammates. Running away from a losing battle is better than a bunch of deaths unless it's a situation that's going to decide the game.

Legit garbage. You can't have PvP with this netcode

Don't let people tell you otherwise, PvP is pretty decent in this game because of the attention they put into keeping it relevant and fair. Gettting Onsal this expansion was a jolt to Frontline, and added more fun gang-style pvp like Seal Rock was.

The only thing that is really the most annoying carryover from PvE is the potion weave timing, you kind of need to be on the 8-ball to even rely on it. I suppose they think it'd be too powerful if every job got a recuperate instant skill versus a potion. But YoshiP did mention some changes coming in 6.0 so this probably will change again.

CCs are pretty good and have plenty of potency compared to PvE.

What many PvE only players don't know or care about is they actually adjust the PvP skills so often based on trends, and where the balance needs to be maintained. Like it's not out of ordinary they just delete a skill or add something. Compared to PvE where they really only do number/potency updates, rarely more unless it's a project like Monk was.

It’s not for everyone, but it’s worth the try at least. Some will stay and some will go. That’s with pvp in any mmos. They all have their negatives and positives. The only opinion that matters in then end of it all is yours.

Hard to get a queue. Kinda fun, but lacks a good premise.

You can't even talk in 8-man PvP 4v4 because they deemed it to be too much for people totally ruining it all together so you just end up doing roulette over and over again or having to wait 30 minutes for something to pop if you wanted the mount for this gl

If i had to give PvP in this game a score, i'd say its Pi/10, the pain is low but never ending.

First of all, PvP is designed arround teamfights and not man-on-man duels and as such, the balance arround Jobs is literally thrown out of the window, or in FFXIV's case, banished into the most remote Region of La Noscea which is some corner in the middle of the ocean.

No matter what Job you pick, you will notice immediately once you enter said area that all your skills are gone. PvP in this Game gives you a "unique" set of skills, along with a limitbreak and Combat Potions which refill themselves and make this mode even more painful that it should be, thanks to those Potions fights are incredibly stale and killing Healers on your own is literally impossible unless you play melee dps and you manage to find yourself a inexperienced healer who got lost on his daily roulette and joined in on frontlines instead, which is then usually a matter of seconds before he/she breaks under the pressure.

As for Feast, as mentioned before its 4vs4 teamfights which is just a Mindgame to confuse the opposing healer on whoever makes the first mistake, otherwise its just a wild goose chase.

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Originally Posted by SecretIsland

The latest game update made me curious about something: what is the PvP like in this game? Is cheating with bot accounts rampant, or was it a one-off that was swiftly banned (as they have stated in the update)? Are people friendly in PvP, or is it more like an XBox Live experience? I certainly do not want to play with people who are shouting profanities at my ear so any information is appreciated before I try it out!

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Well, how can I put it...
We can say that there is PvP. check!
But it's useless, really, it's a PvE game.

The rewards are great! It's just cosmetic! Burp!
Right now, if your dream is to look like a Metal Gear Rising character, you're going to feel like you're in heaven.

Not the worst but not that good either.

It's awful don't bother.

it can be an enjoyable diversion, but it's definitely not as much of a feature as in any other big MMO. i will say that the 3-team nature of Frontlines actually manages to keep my interest, though, much better than standard 2-team stuff.

By FFXIV standards, it's exceptional. We have extraordinary things like healers that have to heal, buffs and debuffs, some resource management. It's crazy.

I used to be really into WoW's PvP during MoP. Loved during RBGs and 3v3 arenas. Racked up a lot of vicious mounts and a few titles.

In FFXIV, I quite like doing my daily Frontline. I especially love the Coerthas and Naadam maps. Don't really like the Cartenneau and La Noscea maps. Also kinda disappointed that there isn't really a competitive Frontline scene. It's not like WoW where you can see your rankings, or earn really fancy gear. That's what the Feast is for, but... nobody does the Feast. From what I've heard it's just win trading at preset times. So you can't really hardcore do PvP in FFXIV like you can in WoW.

I don't. They didnt plan for it to ever be part of their game and decide to shove it in post release. I don't want half baked pvp in a MMO.

On frontlines.It has 2 main problems.People who tryhard for mounts but in the wrong way.They keep spamming nodes calls and dont understand its pvp and that to win frontline you need battlehigher later to contest nodes.Their calls uusaly result in splitting the newbies and the ones who actually know what they are doing in 2 usualy causing the enemy gcs to get fed battle high and then stomp them.
Then there are the people who feed on purpose.They come in for the xp bonus to level jobs.they dont care about winning or learning how to play.You will see them.They are the ones getting on mount and running to enemy base on purpose to feed and make game end faster.This should be a bannable offense and xp bonus should be removed from pvp.These 2 changes would vastly improve frontlines.
Along with being able to report the ones spamming node calls who have no idea what they are doing.

Feast is a different problem.The community is the most toxic in the game.Not to mention there is a lot of boosting and win trading.Ive seen some of the top 20 on my database deliberatly throwing matches to other people and then trying to frame others.There are also people getting into top 100 on different data centres.This is just wrong.it should be one reward per account.
Feast ranking system is also terrible because even though The season last a certain amount of time you have no chance if you dont spam queue the first few weeks.This is because most of the community get to desired number and then all stop playing at same time on purpose.It kills the queues and means nobody else can climb up in ranks.Its a bad system and needs a complete overhaul.

I personally dont like rival wings but its the best of the 3.best community and team work out of the 3.Apart from the recent revelation of the cheating expsosed with lifting the mechs above ground i have found no fault with it.I just dislike the idea of using robots in pvp.

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If i had to give PvP in this game a score, i'd say its Pi/10, the pain is low but never ending.

First of all, PvP is designed arround teamfights and not man-on-man duels and as such, the balance arround Jobs is literally thrown out of the window, or in FFXIV's case, banished into the most remote Region of La Noscea which is some corner in the middle of the ocean.

No matter what Job you pick, you will notice immediately once you enter said area that all your skills are gone. PvP in this Game gives you a "unique" set of skills, along with a limitbreak and Combat Potions which refill themselves and make this mode even more painful that it should be, thanks to those Potions fights are incredibly stale and killing Healers on your own is literally impossible unless you play melee dps and you manage to find yourself a inexperienced healer who got lost on his daily roulette and joined in on frontlines instead, which is then usually a matter of seconds before he/she breaks under the pressure.

As for Feast, as mentioned before its 4vs4 teamfights which is just a Mindgame to confuse the opposing healer on whoever makes the first mistake, otherwise its just a wild goose chase.

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1-Actually, I haven't found the unique skills to be such a handicap - as noted in a prior post, SE does make periodic adjustments and there have been tweaks to the skillbars.

2- Balancing around team as opposed to 1 v1 is fairly common for PVP. Personally I prefer that SE does balance that way.
3 - Where to start here lmao... as if a single DPS killing a healer easily in PVP would be a good thing? This goes back to (2)- if the role of healers is to support a group (which I maintain it is) - then logically it should take at least 2 players (typically DPS) to focus them down, unless that healer is not properly using their skills.

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3 - Where to start here lmao... as if a single DPS killing a healer easily in PVP would be a good thing? This goes back to (2)- if the role of healers is to support a group (which I maintain it is) - then logically it should take at least 2 players (typically DPS) to focus them down, unless that healer is not properly using their skills.

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Without some sort rock paper scissor system healers become invincible and not worth attacking. It should only take one person to take down a healer, but healers also should take a different role/type one v one. These 2 on one system BS is how you get stale fights with all 8 vs all 8 on and no one can break the stalemate.

Feast is toxic because it pairs good players with worse ones making some games straight up impossible to win.

Also certain jobs like Black mage ,Dragoon and White Mage are just superior in there.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

2- Balancing around team as opposed to 1 v1 is fairly common for PVP. Personally I prefer that SE does balance that way.
3 - Where to start here lmao... as if a single DPS killing a healer easily in PVP would be a good thing? This goes back to (2)- if the role of healers is to support a group (which I maintain it is) - then logically it should take at least 2 players (typically DPS) to focus them down, unless that healer is not properly using their skills.

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Yeah the posts about 1vs1 being unbalanced are ridiculous.
It's all about teamwork ; being in a 1vs1 situation means someone made a mistake.
I guess the "multiplayers in appearance only" PvE gives false expectations to players.

Borderline dead at this point. If I have to use a 3rd party app to find people to do an activity in a game, there's a major problem that needs to be addressed. Why SE still continues to waste resources on pvp I do not know. might as well get rid of it and instead bring the previous top 100 rewards to ultimates or extremes. Hell you can even bring the armor pieces as super rare drops in alliance raids.

This game has pvp?

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Without some sort rock paper scissor system healers become invincible and not worth attacking. It should only take one person to take down a healer, but healers also should take a different role/type one v one. These 2 on one system BS is how you get stale fights with all 8 vs all 8 on and no one can break the stalemate.

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I understand the point about role/paper /scissors . However, this game doesn't only have 1v1. If it did, then I would completely agree with you. In a 1v1 arena type setting then absolutely, a healer should be only an equal level - so that would mean the healer would have the DPS skills as well.

However, if healers are in a team role then that would not be acceptable. -it doesn't make them "invincible" - it means typically that a healer gives up damage and the ability to get kills for the ability to heal through damage and support their team.

What you may call "bs" , if I read it correctly - I don't know how many pre-made PVP encounters you had that ran into a stalemate? doesn't really happen unless both teams are well-matched , and for me that is much more interesting that just running over a team and racking up a kill count - for what end lol? Just play COD if you want fast kills.