We're in the most active time in Shadowbringer's expansion post launch.

This is one of the most active times in this expansion's existence besides the launch.
My question is, will SE attribute this to:

1. The Free Login campaign?
2. Patch 5.45 relic step
3. Endwalker
4. Blizzard burying world of warcraft further

Or a combination of all those factors? I believe it's mostly due to patch 5.45; it has been literally 4+ years since FFXIV has had a good relic step like this current one. There finally is activity in the game. Relic activity fosters activity in other places such as Fates, alliance raids, dungeons, and it sparks activity outside of relic specific duties. I coin it "activity creates activity." This is a phenomenon some of us remember in Heavensward whenever relic steps were added. This is my take.

What about you? What do you think has delivered a new mini golden age for the game?

What kind of troll post is this xD.

Census data indicates the games population is stable if not declining slightly; We've been under 1 million active players for a while now.

This relic step has been pretty poorly received.

WoW players are generally happier with the state of their game than they were in BfA. I know a lot of people who dropped FF when ultimate was cancelled and went to do WoWs current raid instead.

I think the activity we are currently seeing is due to the latest patch being recent. We're gonna start seeing a bit of a drop off soon in the lull between patches. Then when the next patch hits...more people. Basically, business as usual. We'll probably get a pretty good surge of players again just before Endwalker releases and during its launch.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

What kind of troll post is this xD.

Census data indicates the games population is stable if not declining slightly; We've been under 1 million active players for a while now.

This relic step has been pretty poorly received.

WoW players are generally happier with the state of their game than they were in BfA. I know a lot of people who dropped FF when ultimate was cancelled and went to do WoWs current raid instead.

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Not in terms of sub numbers, in terms of login activity; which go somewhat hand in hand, but not necessarily. Login activity is short term data, and more anecdotal; I believe this will translate to a spike in the next Luckybrancho subs data charts.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I think the activity we are currently seeing is due to the latest patch being recent. We're gonna start seeing a bit of a drop off soon in the lull between patches. Then when the next patch hits...more people. Basically, business as usual. We'll probably get a pretty good surge of players again just before Endwalker releases and during its launch.

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I could see this being the case but I believe this patch specifically has a longer lifespan than any other in the game's history, literally since Heavensward. I believe this to be the case because of the many factors working against it; you can't complete it in one and it's not designed like Eureka where many felt disconnected from it because of its heavy handed leveling and progression system.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

This is one of the most active times in this expansion's existence besides the launch.

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Is it?
Can you provide your data please?

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

What do you think has delivered a new mini golden age for the game?

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Players wanting to see my awesome glam.*

https://i.imgur.com/1Udyh8G.png


Not mine, but I look good.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

WoW players are generally happier with the state of their game than they were in BfA. I know a lot of people who dropped FF when ultimate was cancelled and went to do WoWs current raid instead.

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I agree with the troll post but don't get this part wrong, as someone who plays both a ton of people are very unhappy with the current state of WoW, being better than BFA wasn't much, I'm pretty sure more people are hyped for the TBC classic than 9.1

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

This is one of the most active times in this expansion's existence besides the launch.
My question is, will SE attribute this to:

1. The Free Login campaign?
2. Patch 5.45 relic step
3. Endwalker
4. Blizzard burying world of warcraft further

Or a combination of all those factors? I believe it's mostly due to patch 5.45; it has been literally 4+ years since FFXIV has had a good relic step like this current one. There finally is activity in the game. Relic activity fosters activity in other places such as Fates, alliance raids, dungeons, and it sparks activity outside of relic specific duties. I coin it "activity creates activity." This is a phenomenon some of us remember in Heavensward whenever relic steps were added. This is my take.

What about you? What do you think has delivered a new mini golden age for the game?

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Bots. Its all bots. And troll posts like this one.

The game is slightly more active due to the whole "level for free to 60" crap. WOW is a joke, and half the WOW players hate this game ad quit in a week so it's not them. It has to be bots and troll posts like OP's

There's a site that is using some online scouring algorithms to gauge sub numbers, activity, sentiment etc, called mmo population and it has ff14 being very stable and slowly increasing which imo is a sign of a healthy game, unlike WoW's peaks that vanish within a few months like the disaster that is SL dropping sub numbers incredibly fast which is easily seen inagame by the amount of people whose friend's list goes from many people to 0-2

They are using the same algorithm for all games so I am inclined that even if their numbers arent 100% accurate, their gauge and comparisons are pretty accurate imo.

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Originally Posted by Ralph2449

There's a site that is using some online scouring algorithms to gauge sub numbers, activity, sentiment etc, called mmo population.

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I dont trust sites that say Wildstar has a 13k player base with no servers.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

I dont trust sites that say Wildstar has a 13k player base with no servers.

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Well that is how complicated internet scouring algorithms work, I havent worked on them specifically but my best guess is they are searching the internet for mentions, numbers, discussion places, including articles that could generate some talk and to this day you ll always see the occasional mention of the game so it isnt weird that a dead game would have some small random number.

The game might have died but some people might still talk about it, though often bringing it up as an example of what happens when you focus on high end or just an article talking about how it failed, cant really know the exact numbers so this is the 2nd best way to get an idea of an MMO and the overall sentiment which again is found through tracking keywords I would guess.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

WoW players are generally happier with the state of their game than they were in BfA.

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I too would rather step in dung as opposed to diving face first into it.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Many in this thread have agreed or acknowledged the statement; if you don't that's on you. There's currently no tool to prove or disprove until months later when Luckybrancho releases new unofficial numbers.

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It is not wether I acknowledge the sentiment or not.
It's about where this conclusion came from.
How do you know we are in the most active time in Shadowbringer's expansion post launch?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

It is not wether I acknowledge the sentiment or not.
It's about where this conclusion came from.
How do you know we are in the most active time in Shadowbringer's expansion post launch?

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Every location, duty, pf, linkshells, and fc have more people. To the point where the last time it had this much was back in Shb release. I'm not the only one who acknowledges this, others here have implicit or explicitly said yes to the spike in activity. You can disagree but disagree doesn't disprove it until data comes out either from SE or Luckybrancho (unofficial).

I don't know. Launch was clogged. If we're taking anecdotal information: Seen less and less participation on DF, hunts, maps, fates, and the Limsa afk party every patch.

Such is the truth of MMO populations.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Every location, duty, pf, linkshells, and fc have more people. To the point where the last time it had this much was back in Shb release. I'm not the only one who acknowledges this, others here have implicit or explicitly said yes to the spike in activity. You can disagree but disagree doesn't disprove it until data comes out either from SE or Luckybrancho (unofficial).

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I never said if I agreed or disagreed.
I only asked for data.
Thank you for letting me know you're speaking anecdotally.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I never said if I agreed or disagreed.

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I said you can, not you did.

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I only asked for data.
Thank you for letting me know you're speaking anecdotally.

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The post above yours on the first page explained this; all it took was looking up.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

I dont trust sites that say Wildstar has a 13k player base with no servers.

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On the one hand there are a few emulated private servers in operation but I struggle to believe that 13k figure since they had not gotten combat implemented.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I said you can, not you did.

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Ah, I see.
Without a tone of voice I didn't know if you meant that literally or not.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

The post above yours on the first page explained this; all it took was looking up.

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By... your use of the word "believe?"
Considering in your other posts you were making firm assertions I was led to believe there was something firm behind them. But if this is a thread about beliefs, I believe I will wait for the data.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Ah, I see.
Without a tone of voice I didn't know if you meant that literally or not.

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If you know tone matters why did you contest it in the affirmative instead of asking?

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By... your use of the word "believe?"
Considering in your other posts you were making firm assertions I was led to believe there was something firm behind them. But if this is a thread about beliefs, I believe I will wait for the data.

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Both the word believe and anecdotal; you sure you read posts before you reply to them?

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

If you know tone matters why did you contest it in the affirmative instead of asking?

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In that I misread it.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Both the word believe and anecdotal; you sure you read posts before you reply to them?

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Yes.
And now I no longer believe this tangent furthers the conversation.

Looking forward to what direction they'll go with in the 5.55 relic patch; will they keep the 5.45 relic formula which I and others believe have given the game a boost or will they go back to the relics you can complete in 1 day? We will see, but I think it would benefit them to keep adding long grind relic steps going forth and into Endwalker earlier than patch than the .3 patch.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

4. Blizzard burying world of warcraft further

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Given the amount of new sprouts I would say Blizzard just utterly ignoring player feedback in SystemLands with confirmation at Blizzcon. It also does not help that the next content is like 6+ months away and FF14 offers their first expansion out of 3 for free lol

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Given the amount of new sprouts

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Are we that many, as a new player here I cant really know how many sprouts were running around before but I was definitely surprised by the number, definitely not something you see in WoW's starting areas these days.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Looking forward to what direction they'll go with in the 5.55 relic patch; will they keep the 5.45 relic formula which I and others believe have given the game a boost or will they go back to the relics you can complete in 1 day? We will see, but I think it would benefit them to keep adding long grind relic steps going forth and into Endwalker earlier than patch than the .3 patch.

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Honestly so far im really disappointed they havent incorpterated Shadowbringers fates into the relic steps.Maybe we will see this in 5.5.
It seems like a complete waste not to ecnourage the use of them considering the shared fate currency system and rewards.It would also help newer players get to level 80 on alt jobs instead of just spamming roulettes.Furthermore i think they need to have more interaction with the shared fate system in general to get a better feedback of what rewards people cared about and what to scrap in the future shared fates for 6.0

And we are still active. More active than before. Hurray for activity! Hurray for FF14!

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

And we are still active. More active than before. Hurray for activity! Hurray for FF14!

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Heh, I was right. Good relic leads to high activity. You can't deny it SE.
As much as I loved Stormblood it was hemorrhaging players between patches because of how calamitous Eureka was.
All we can hope is that they have learned, hopefully this time we get the relic step in 5.2 so that the game stays active after the initial launch.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

This is one of the most active times in this expansion's existence besides the launch.
My question is, will SE attribute this to:

1. The Free Login campaign?
2. Patch 5.45 relic step
3. Endwalker
4. Blizzard burying world of warcraft further

Or a combination of all those factors? I believe it's mostly due to patch 5.45; it has been literally 4+ years since FFXIV has had a good relic step like this current one. There finally is activity in the game. Relic activity fosters activity in other places such as Fates, alliance raids, dungeons, and it sparks activity outside of relic specific duties. I coin it "activity creates activity." This is a phenomenon some of us remember in Heavensward whenever relic steps were added. This is my take.

What about you? What do you think has delivered a new mini golden age for the game?

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Global pandemic plays a big role with more people stuck at home and out of work. Equals more time to play and if your on low income or no income due to pandemic. The sub is generally cheaper option than buying games. Hell it's free all the way to to the end of heavensward. Enough to keep people occupied a bit during lockdowns

Edit.

One day I'll learn to read the dates topics were created.
Today is not that day

Stop taking the necro bait.

Necroposting needs to be a suspendable action.