I failed the story instance in Raktika twice where you have to avoid the gaze of the ancient Ronkan golems walking around not because I got spotted, but because Yshtola and one of the Ronkan guardians get spotted while casually walking right into the golem. This triggered the golems to activate and for some reason I'm the one who got aggro even though it's not my fault.
If it just happened once that's fine but this happened four times (leading to two failures) where I eventually realized that I had to slow down and lead them to safety, as if they can't dodge the golems by themselves.
I'm not usually one to complain but seeing the NPCs who are supposedly some of the most seasoned veterans fail to such basic mechanics is just weird. Sometimes they even just stand in an AOE and get hit without even trying to move out, which is hilarious but also quite cringe.
NPCs too stupid in battles and instances
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02-23-2021, 11:12 AMSecretIslandNPCs too stupid in battles and instances
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02-23-2021, 11:17 AMVahlnir
I've wiped a couple of times with Trusts, but it was always my fault, not theirs. Even when they stand in everything they manage to pull through.
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02-23-2021, 11:59 AMValkyrie_LennethI think hes talking about the hidden temple instance, where you indiana jones it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
I dont remember that one being an issue when I did it. may be unfortunate timingor something. -
02-23-2021, 12:13 PMHasratI have seen Alphinaud stand in the bad, end up dead, leading to wipes twice, myself. The only times I've failed with Trusts so far, and they were entirely his fault. Really not helping my irrational dislike of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
But, for the solo instance in OP, can't say I even remember that one. But, taking four times before you learn that maybe you need to do it a bit differently... -
02-23-2021, 12:17 PMSecretIslandYes, I didn't realize that the NPCs are triggering the golems because I thought the game "cheated" by making them immune. I thought I failed somehow until I saw them walking casually right in front of the golem and triggering them. Feel free to make fun of me though, I probably deserve it for not realizing that the NPCs are that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasrat
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02-23-2021, 12:17 PMIscah
I have three characters at endgame now so I've done that section with each of them, and I only remember getting caught by the statues once - not sure if it was my fault or an NPC, but it's clearly doable without being caught at all.
Or to look at it another way, if you the almighty Warrior of Light can be caught out, why shouldn't they?
(Though I would have assumed the NPCs are immune to being spotted in those situations so long as you're doing it right yourself.) -
02-23-2021, 01:08 PMBsrking5
The npc are immune to being spotted so yea....
Also the trust npcs are dumb. In the last boss for hol switch the healer will stand in center(bad) while the boss is doing the front back rotation aoes if your not on the same side as them killing the healer. -
02-23-2021, 01:31 PMSecretIslandThey are not. You can try the first room in the duty for yourself if you'd like. Sprint ahead of them and reach the door without getting spotted. Meanwhile Yshtola and co will waste time chatting about how dangerous the duty is and casually walk over to you, while you're already at the door, and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bsrking5
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02-23-2021, 02:25 PMShibiI wonder if a kick vote would pass?Quote:
Originally Posted by SecretIsland
Yshtola leaves the party
Thancred joins the party
Thancred: Hey guys!
Alphinaud: That last player, my gods -
02-23-2021, 02:38 PMCincierta
The only time I actually failed that was because my vision was a bit more poor than I thought for the poison room. I did not see that opening that takes you to the exit and endlessly looped around the room looking for the right path to the exit. Second run through I felt around and found it.
Either one of the npcs was spotted by the statues on the last one I ran it through with, which was odd because I was fully hidden from both statues i.e. hiding in the nook. It was interesting because the messages they give you when the debuff stacks made me think of my WoL thinking suicidal thoughts. When I realized that, I thought damn, that's dark. -
02-23-2021, 02:53 PMBsrking5I actually did that when I did it. They didnt die or get detected. They walked right though one of the golems. Maybe you just had a lag spike. It happensQuote:
Originally Posted by SecretIsland
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02-23-2021, 03:22 PMMariaArvanaThis. I've seen the NPCs walk/run right in front of the golems and it didn't aggro them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bsrking5
Whereas another time leveling a crystal alt all three of us were super tucked into one of the nooks on the 2nd set of them and we still got spotted when it should have been impossible. It makes me wonder if the golems can detect based on sound, or if specific golem's AIs are bugged. -
02-23-2021, 05:15 PMAchantion
Never had any issues with NPC's in story missions.
Did have a couple of issues with Trusts but that was my own fault for pushing them into pulls that where to big for their AI. -
02-23-2021, 06:27 PMHasrat
I also wanted to take a moment to gripe about how bad the Trusts are compared to the Squadrons. I mean, sure, the AI is smarter by malms. But. The squads just laugh at mechanics. Tried out an old run recently when I started the Resistance weapon quest. Run a level 60 dungeon for a bitter memory. "Eh, I never cleared Pharos Hard with squad, let's see if that works." And damn, they make dungeon running a breeze.
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02-23-2021, 07:18 PMPayadopaTo ge fair, she IS blind. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SecretIsland
On a more serious not, I remember failing once because I didn't know what I was doing but the 2nd time was smooth sailing. Maybe it's a bug? -
02-23-2021, 08:10 PMFayt1203
Just did it yesterday in Ng+ nothing out of the ordinary happen there for me.. could be a bug that happens randomly?
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02-23-2021, 10:58 PMKaoru_NagisaThis. I've taken at least 3 characters through ShB and have sprinted through sections many times. Shtola and the viera girls just phase through the golem without any issues. You may have encountered a bug, or you got caught and didn't realize - thus believing it was surely one of the NPCs, even when it's pretty much impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bsrking5
Trusts can be a bit hit or miss - Urianger often will try finishing a heal cast before moving out of danger, I assume healing is marked as a higher priority for their AI than avoiding damage, but either way it's gotten him killed on bosses in Ravel a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Achantion
The only time I've had trouble with overpulling though was if I was on a tank. Thancred and G'raha both manage double pulls well even in Holminster, and I routinely drag a second group onto them (especially while playing through on heals). My only complaint with Trusts is the complete lack of AoE, and the fact they aren't programmed to DPS while moving even if they're capable of doing so. (I get this is a way to make it so people won't replace real groups entirely with Trusts, but still irritates me.)