SE: Please do something about Soul Crystals

Yet again today I've run into a player that has no idea about soul crystals, while I'm happy to help the 45 arcanist find his way back into a real job, there should be something in place to better guide players into the roles they need to do.
After level 30 it should be mandatory to have a crystal equipped to que into anything at the very least.

Yeah we also just recently had a level 54 lancer make a thread

Don't be elitist. They can play how ever they want to play.

This isn't being elitist, you're actively gimping yourself by not using the soul crystal. I wasn't being a dick to this guy and I wasn't mad at him, he was a newer player that wasn't directed to the crystals.

Making it mandatory for que is no fun.
I like having nights with the FC where we run absurd content without our crystals and see how far we can get.

I do think there could be more pointing players to them, but mandatory is not the way I feel it should go.

Yes and by ‘do something about soul crystals’ we mean BTN soul crystal when?

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Don't be elitist. They can play how ever they want to play.

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How is this being elitist? When you hot 30 there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't have the job crystal equipped. The op was just helping the person out.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Making it mandatory for que is no fun.
I like having nights with the FC where we run absurd content without our crystals and see how far we can get.

I do think there could be more pointing players to them, but mandatory is not the way I feel it should go.

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I mean they could do something like what they do with group comp requirements for queueing
If you're going to get randoms, you're not allowed to queue with non-standard jobs. If you're not going to get randoms, then you can go as whatever.
Seems to work fine for me?

Ok so maybe mandatory isn't the way to go, it was just the easiest thing I thought of I'm no code wizard. I'm all fora night of fun with the FC but that's a far cry from a 55 CNJ showing up to heal your roulette.

Also, yes I'd so take crystals for my non-combat jobs.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

How is this being elitist? When you hot 30 there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't have the job crystal equipped. The op was just helping the person out.

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Turns out that job quests are MSQ locked. On my alt with the Road to 70 alt I was almost 40 before I finished Ifritt. I had to be careful to not queue for Qarn but I knew better. A bit hard to insist on something you can't even do yet. OTOH, I wouldn't object to making level 30+ instances job-stone mandatory except when queuing as a full party or alliance in the case of 24+ man content.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Don't be elitist. They can play how ever they want to play.

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And this people is why votekick exists.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

How is this being elitist? When you hot 30 there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't have the job crystal equipped. The op was just helping the person out.

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Maybe they view themselves more of a Gladiator than a Paladin.

Or maybe they are an archer and not a bard.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Maybe they view themselves more of a Gladiator than a Paladin.

Or maybe they are an archer and not a bard.

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If people want to RP then power to them even if it's not my thing. But there should be a bare minimum of decency when you're playing other others that are not your friends. Don't skip your job quests if you're going to que.

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Originally Posted by Vidact

If people want to RP then power to them even if it's not my thing. But there should be a bare minimum of decency when you're playing other others that are not your friends. Don't skip your job quests if you're going to que.

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Do you pay their sub? If so you can dictate what they can do.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Do you pay their sub? If so you can dictate what they can do.

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Don’t need to pay their sub, only need to have the supporting vote to kick. Furthermore, the lancer doesn’t pay the other 3 people’s sub so they should avoid queuing as a burden on other people.

They need to treat classes as limited jobs beyond 30, like blue mage. Content only accessible through pf in premades, etc.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Do you pay their sub? If so you can dictate what they can do.

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Our collective $45 should be outweighing your $15, no?

We don't pay their sub, no, but they don't pay ours either, and they're actively ruining 3 other's experience with it. Weird how that excuse works.

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Originally Posted by Vidact

Ok so maybe mandatory isn't the way to go, it was just the easiest thing I thought of I'm no code wizard. I'm all fora night of fun with the FC but that's a far cry from a 55 CNJ showing up to heal your roulette.

Also, yes I'd so take crystals for my non-combat jobs.

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It absolutely should be mandatory. In pre-HW content, you MIGHT be able to justify no soul crystal due to more cross job spots but since those were removed there is literally zero reason to not have a soul stone equipped.

Especially in DF content where you play with other people who didn't sign up for that. You are not helping the gorup in ANY way by not having a job stone equipped, you are hurting the group. And that shouldn't be rewarded or tolerated.

Easy solution, give the first SC on a new Char out with the Main Quest and a short explanation Quest or Cutscene. I bet most common issue is that new people focusing on Main Quest and leveling and simply ignore the Job Quest because they dont know how important it is. For them its sommething without top priority and could be done later.

In truth GLD can get away with doing dung content with just a crystal even at the higher levels. NN had this debate and we put it to the test. Healers more or less do all the heavy lifting we did the first HW dungeon with an entire group with no soul crystals it was slower but not difficult. Though in 60+ content we had a hard time with no soul crystals though we went back with just the tank not using a soul crystal and it really felt no different from another dungeon run even did wall to wall pulls and it was nice different from healing your avg tank that does not pop cooldowns. It sucks but it is not as much as a handicap as many would like to make it out to be.

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Originally Posted by Awha

In truth GLD can get away with doing dung content with just a crystal even at the higher levels. NN had this debate and we put it to the test. Healers more or less do all the heavy lifting we did the first HW dungeon with an entire group with no soul crystals it was slower but not difficult. Though in 60+ content we had a hard time with no soul crystals though we went back with just the tank not using a soul crystal and it really felt no different from another dungeon run even did wall to wall pulls and it was nice different from healing your avg tank that does not pop cooldowns. It sucks but it is not as much as a handicap as many would like to make it out to be.

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You can do a lot of things you shouldn’t. That doesn’t mean other people will put up with you, though.

Kick.

Lol we had a CNJ in my leveling roulette in stone vigil....it was pretty horrendous and I waisted 40mins in there. While funny it was definitely unwanted.

It needs to be mandatory right after hawke manor (or however you spell it) also I would suggest it being given in the MSQ and not for them to run and do the quest to obtain it.

Like once they hit 30 they get an auto quest that points them to do a quest to obtain it or flat out just auto gives it to them, but it kind of has to be forced (I hate that word in MMOs) but something has to be done

Didnt realize this was a thing until someone mentioned one tank in extreme Ramuh was a gladiator xD

Had a marauder trying to tank a 50 dungeon. It just wasn’t working for the poor guy. He didn’t even know jobs were a thing he had to get when I asked him about it.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Making it mandatory for que is no fun.
I like having nights with the FC where we run absurd content without our crystals and see how far we can get.

I do think there could be more pointing players to them, but mandatory is not the way I feel it should go.

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Make it mandatory for duty finder.
You can always undersize if you want a joke/challenge run using base clases.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

You can do a lot of things you shouldn’t. That doesn’t mean other people will put up with you, though.

Kick.

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Yeah vote kick is the easier solution but it is also not as bad as people make it out to be. Generally given the 5 min timer I will deal with a tank that has no soul crystal as a healer since if they do large pulls I will be able to make I for thir lack of CDs since I mostly do that anyways as a healer. :P Though if the tank does single pulls that is an instant boot at the 5 min mark.

Though since we are talking about this SE could do about it I would rather SE go through the trouble to give every class their AoE at level 15 and giving higher content a proper ilvl gate.

Lack of a soul crystal from one job has more or less the same overall negative impact as having a horrible player in your group.

Crystals are redundant, when an equipped weapon dictates job. They should not even exist and should be removed, just like belts.

There is Zero reason to have a base job only change it's name to become something different at 30. The exception being Scholar and Summoner which could do with a revision on introductory class identity anyway.

You're not an Arcanist, you're just a gimped Scholar/Summoner, just like every other low level class. An 80 running Sastasha is still going to have about the same amount of access to skills.

Think bigger picture, and just get rid of soul crystals, which are not even stat providers anyway.