Requiring 24 person content for relic is a bad design decision

First and foremost, it doesn't help anyone actually needing the content for their MSQ. Why? People are simply using 22 person BLU groups to slaughter it. Speed wise, this is takes just as long ( a bit less actually) than a 4 man dungeon.

Second and probably the biggest reason is once the hype train dies down, it will be extremely hard to go back and complete this content later. Even more so once the next expansion drops. You (the developers) need to better future proof this content which you have largely failed to do with Eureka and Bozja.

If you are talking about CT, it already takes an insanely short amount of time, arguably less than your average 4 man dungeon. Yes, I would include World of Darkness in that statement. Very few people are running anything but Syrcus, Void Ark and Rabanastre, all of which are very short to run. I'm not saying I agree with having to run CT or the other 24 man raids for our relics, at least so many times. I don't. I hate it. I would prefer to be grinding in Bozja instead. But to say that BLUs have an advantage over everyone else is false. I ran a mostly BLU raid through Syrcus. It shaved off like, 1-2 minutes at most. Or at least it would have had we not wiped on Amon.

They didn't think ahead with Bozja at all. I can't believe it went live the way it did with 0 thought to future proofing it.

I came back after a long break and now I need to do castrum but lo and behold no one wants to do it anymore. It's current expansion content, required for one of the most lucrative things about an expansion, and.. it's dead.

Castrum Lacus Litore is badly implemented, as it prevents the most players who need it from actually joining it. But there's not really a problem with CT. There will always be a content mapping through CT from now until the game goes offline forever.

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Originally Posted by Vercinotrix

I came back after a long break and now I need to do castrum but lo and behold no one wants to do it anymore. It's current expansion content, required for one of the most lucrative things about an expansion, and.. it's dead.

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They're working on something to improve this situation. My fingers are crossed for you.

It honestly blows my mind that they created another Praetorium bottleneck.

God I wish I had a hard time getting into Crystal Tower.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

They're working on something to improve this situation. My fingers are crossed for you.

It honestly blows my mind that they created another Praetorium bottleneck.

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Thanks, I'll need it lol.

I hope the fixes work out. I don't mind grinding out mats or anything else required to complete my relic, I just wish I could work on it as I waited for castrum. It's such a weird roadblock since I want to do the content but can't.

Wait did you really say people will have a hard time queueing into the Crystal Tower? It’s been out since 2014 and it’s the most encountered Alliance raid.

Come on, as if people had not found ways to shorten paths in the steps of the previous relics. I remember these same complaints with Eureka's relics, that it didn't help "at all" or that after Stormblood no one could get them for being dead content.

All relics have always sucked with their requirements, Eureka must have been the ONLY relic I obtained naturally while progressing.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

They're working on something to improve this situation. My fingers are crossed for you.

It honestly blows my mind that they created another Praetorium bottleneck.

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Honestly, I hope it ends up being a queue system like what Delubrum has(very unlikely at this point sadly), that way you can queue directly for it rather than hope it pops and fills every hour.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

First and foremost, it doesn't help anyone actually needing the content for their MSQ. Why? People are simply using 22 person BLU groups to slaughter it. Speed wise, this is takes just as long ( a bit less actually) than a 4 man dungeon.

Second and probably the biggest reason is once the hype train dies down, it will be extremely hard to go back and complete this content later. Even more so once the next expansion drops. You (the developers) need to better future proof this content which you have largely failed to do with Eureka and Bozja.

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Thankfully you don't get to make the determination on design quality. Thanks for your opinion though.

I don't see it as bad design but rather just a means of attempting to address the issue of newer players having nasty queue timers, so you just further incentivize people at end-game to get involved with the content. Doing this on my alt a couple of weeks ago for unlocks took incredible queue times, now it's nigh on an instant or within 5 minutes. That being said the main criticism I have is rather than bolster it all into specifics like 24-man but have it so that doing a roulette guarantees you get the memories, that way you will naturally complete it whilst finishing any roulette rather than either Alliance or nothing.

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Originally Posted by Vercinotrix

I came back after a long break and now I need to do castrum but lo and behold no one wants to do it anymore. It's current expansion content, required for one of the most lucrative things about an expansion, and.. it's dead.

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I see you're on Primal (since you're in Famfrit). I know there's actually a lot of people who have tried to put together Castrum runs in our data center, including via the Eureka content Discords. I've actually also seen a lot of ad-hoc stuff; my FC's done a number of Castrum runs to get our sprouts through it, and in some cases gone and pitched in with another FC trying to get their folks through it.

So if you have a populated-enough FC (or alliance of FCs), or a mount farm group, or whatever, it might be worth asking around. But if you're this stymied I'm guessing it isn't, so you might have luck hopping onto Primal Forays or Eurekan Explorers Discord servers.

(Eurekan Explorers is across all datacenters, but has datacenter-specific organization; Primal Forays is smaller and focused just on our datacenter. I've seen Primal folks have better luck getting CLL cleared with Primal Forays, since the userbase there is concentrated on just our datacenter, so it's often quicker to put together a group there.)

I don't deny it's frustrating as heck, especially if you're just waiting in a given Bozjan instance for CLL to pop, only to see it be unpopulated, or filled only with first-timers who don't know the fights and struggle to clear.

But hopefully one of those Discords can help a little and you won't be completely blocked.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I see you're on Primal (since you're in Famfrit). I know there's actually a lot of people who have tried to put together Castrum runs in our data center, including via the Eureka content Discords. I've actually also seen a lot of ad-hoc stuff; my FC's done a number of Castrum runs to get our sprouts through it, and in some cases gone and pitched in with another FC trying to get their folks through it.

So if you have a populated-enough FC (or alliance of FCs), or a mount farm group, or whatever, it might be worth asking around. But if you're this stymied I'm guessing it isn't, so you might have luck hopping onto Primal Forays or Eurekan Explorers Discord servers.

(Eurekan Explorers is across all datacenters, but has datacenter-specific organization; Primal Forays is smaller and focused just on our datacenter. I've seen Primal folks have better luck getting CLL cleared with Primal Forays, since the userbase there is concentrated on just our datacenter, so it's often quicker to put together a group there.)

I don't deny it's frustrating as heck, especially if you're just waiting in a given Bozjan instance for CLL to pop, only to see it be unpopulated, or filled only with first-timers who don't know the fights and struggle to clear.

But hopefully one of those Discords can help a little and you won't be completely blocked.

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Honestly, thank you. I don't really keep up with these types of things and have been looking around for a discord/linkshell involving Bozja, just without any luck since I didn't really have an idea of where to search. I'll be sure to give them a shot!

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Honestly, I hope it ends up being a queue system like what Delubrum has(very unlikely at this point sadly), that way you can queue directly for it rather than hope it pops and fills every hour.

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Yeah same. If it was a duty finder queue I'd help out even if I don't need loot. As is, I'm just too busy to spend my game time waiting for Lacus to pop, when I don't really need it.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Yeah same. If it was a duty finder queue I'd help out even if I don't need loot. As is, I'm just too busy to spend my game time waiting for Lacus to pop, when I don't really need it.

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I'll probably end up farming around Bozja for the rest of the achievements I don't have(particularly Castrum - need about 40 still - and CE - need almost 400 still - ones) after I finish my relics...but that won't be for a while I don't think...so if the way to get in doesn't change, then I will be in there for a while.

"it will be extremely hard to go back and complete this content later"
I suppose you're talking about CLL and DR, because the 24-man Raids where you farm the memories always popup. Especially the freaking CT series

I just hope SE learns their lesson not to tie the relic to Eureka 3.0. At all. And actually means it next time.