As I'm leveling, I've noticed consistently that the duty finder lists Tank as what's needed, when in reality it's healers. The biggest example right now was that queue time for tank was 6 minutes, but they were listed as 'in need'. Queueing as healer, the instance popped immediately. This indicates healers are what's actually needed, not tank.
Why is duty finder wrong?
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02-08-2021, 02:23 AMcabizWhy is duty finder wrong?
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02-08-2021, 02:30 AMWhite_Wolf_X
Just because it pop right away when you sign up as healer does not mean that the tank role was not needed more at that moment.
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02-08-2021, 02:32 AMUnholychinchilla
It doesn't update in real time (I forget how frequently it updates) so when it starts showing tank, a load of people who are happy to run as either tank or healer will queue as tank so the queues will tip towards needing healers until updates.
Simply put, it's wrong because a bunch of tanks saw it and queued. -
02-08-2021, 02:36 AMSavishSalaciousSometimes I get dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabiz
The reason tank is required all the time is because the level of the duty, remember all duty’s are picked at random or based on what is needed by the community, for example ever run a dungeon or raid 7 times in a week? That’s because every one and their mothers dog on the server is running that, so you get out into it. -
02-08-2021, 04:45 AMVahlnir
I think what kills me is when it says "average wait time: 10 minutes"
"Okay, I'm gonna go grab a drink real quick, maybe give my legs a bit of a stretch..."
*queue pops 30 seconds later*
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02-08-2021, 04:55 AMMilkieTeaThat but I find myself with strike one towards a penalty after coming back from the bathroom. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
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02-08-2021, 06:30 AMGokki
Roles update every 15 minutes and are merely a suggestion, actual queues vary depending on who queues into what in realtime. You do get nice bonuses if you hit it. That said you also gotta consider that when a role changes a lot of people suddenly queue up for that which inflates the queue for that role.
You keep the bonuses when you signed up even if the role changes. -
02-08-2021, 08:36 AMFtail
I started a thread awhile back asking about this and here’s a helpful reply I received. “Adventure in need is updated periodically not whenever you open the duty finder menu. Its given to whatever the roulette needs more of to balance queue times over the next period of it updates. This including every instance in its roulette, even people only queueing for a single instance. Take like puppets bunker might need 1 tank 1 healer and up to 7 dps it'll say tank because it has a higher weight because the instance needs less. But you queue as a healer and get say world of darkness instantly, it wasnt trying to balance out that as much but duty finder tries to lessen queues if a instance would be full rather then the longer waiting queues. Whenever you queue you get locked in for that bonus, even if it changes before duty finder finder a instance for you.”
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02-08-2021, 08:56 AMSturmChurroThe game knows when you go afk. That's when it will always pop. If you sit and wait, it'll last that full 10 minutes. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
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02-08-2021, 10:03 AMJennah
... do people actually go for the "in-need" bonus? For reasons other than "well, maybe it'll pop faster"? Huh.
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02-08-2021, 10:31 AMAnienaiI'll sit with the tab up til "Tank in need" pops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennah
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02-08-2021, 12:49 PMRaltar
The other night, I saw DPS as needed, so I queued as a tank as I normally do because I'm working on getting the mounts and it popped instantly.
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02-08-2021, 01:08 PMIscahIt seems that it might be actually be based not on the average time but the wait time of the person who is currently at the front of the queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
In any case, I'm a situation where you need several people of the same role, the people who queued earlier have been waiting longer. If you sign up for an alliance raid as DPS #14, it could be perfectly accurate that the average of everyone else's wait time has been ten minutes - but it will only take one more person for your personal wait to be over.
Or to put it another way, the average is going to be a mix of people who waited for ages and that one lucky person who got an instant queue. -
02-08-2021, 01:23 PMRongway
You have to remember that the AIN and average wait time are calculated across the entire roulette, not just the duties that you yourself have access to. There could be a higher level dungeon that's been waiting for a tank for twenty minutes, while all the duties that you have access to already have tanks on deck.
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02-08-2021, 01:36 PMAriel_ValmontEvery single @&$!ing time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
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02-08-2021, 04:46 PMLumivyoryThe main reason to wait for "In need" bonus has always been the huge amount of extra experience for being the right role. At least for me. Why settle for less exp?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennah
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02-08-2021, 05:17 PMVyrerus
Basically it lags behind what's going on in real time. You can use this to your advantage sometimes. Also what others have said with the DF being across all duties for all levels and such.
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02-08-2021, 08:19 PMMagicAuraThis sums up my observations perfectly. Out of curiosity I've left the duty finder open to see how often it updates the window and it's seconds rather than minutes. Not sure the exact amount of seconds, could be 30 or more. Matching thousands of people, taking into account their personal limitations of what they have unlocked, their jobs, their place in the queue together with individual requests for specific dungeons, is extremely complicated and I believe the duty finder works really well for what it needs to do. The OP assessment that it's wrong is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ftail
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02-09-2021, 02:51 AMFellgontrue! its 30, 10 minutes i wait nothing happens. But wen i go to shower its comes in seconds and i lose!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
But i still like duty finder. -
02-09-2021, 02:59 AMKDSilverYes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennah
Materias. -
02-09-2021, 03:06 AMGoji1639
It's not wrong but it takes a little bit to update.
If tank is what's in need then a lot of people are going to be queuing tank, so tank queue's get longer. Now tank queue's are longer, but the "in need" bonus isn't going to change to Healer until enough instances are run with longer tank queues to shift the overall balance.