request : player stalls

hello , i have this little request it doesn't affect the game but it does affect the immersion and the game's world
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i would love if we have the option to let our characters sell by themselves and not having to use the marketboard . it would be something like this
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...f98CBl-KiFPjW8
and everytime the character starts selling it would do a special emote that lets you open a small stall or just sit on a carpet with items in front of you .
there doesn't have to be a difference between selling on the marketboard or in these stalls , or maybe just remove the market fees if you are going to sell using a stall ?

.. Do you like permanent login queues?



EDIT: let me clarify
Right now there is no particular reason for people to stay logged in other than dodging queues right after major patches. Giving them reasons to stay logged in for long periods of time will keep servers at capacity during even "off" periods and hours. You will find more populous servers will have queues of hundreds or thousands depending on how many people are "squatting" just to sell things.

It's a cute idea, but every game I've seen something like this in very quickly turns into a RMT-infested cluttered mess unfortunately.

In FF11 there is the Auction House system (basically our MB) and the Bazaar system which lets players sell items currently in their inventory (a bag icon next to their name to indicate they had things for sale). The AH had very limited quantities to go up for sale, thus many players also sold with the bazaar.

It did lead to many players simply going AFK in and around Jeuno (the not expansion hub city). Near the AHs, near the housing, in front of the zone line to Jeuno in Rolanberry Fields, people were AFK everywhere to sell from their bazaar.

FF11 did not suffer from queue times as, especially the large servers, FF14 does currently. And more AFK people would congest it further since you would remain logged in to sell this way, unlike the MB.

FF14 1.X also used the bazaar system if I recall, but there was no auction house/market board. They took it out in ARR in favor of the Market Board.

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Originally Posted by File2ish

FF14 1.X also used the bazaar system if I recall, but there was no auction house/market board. They took it out in ARR in favor of the Market Board.

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FFXIV 1.0 had the Market Ward, an instanced area in each city where retainers actually physically spent their time. Originally this was the only way to actually buy anything from them, you had to enter the Market Ward and phyiscally walk up to a retainer there and speak with them as if you were accessing a NPC vendor. And as a part of that, there were empty stall fronts you could also rent and stick your retainer in to "make them more visible" to other players, which is similar to what the OP wants. Unfortunately this, like a lot of of what 1.0 did, did not work as well as they had planned - it was time consuming and annoying to have to look through every retainer there to find anything, and the laggy nature of 1.0 meant things often hung while the client and server talked to each other.

After Yoshi took over as producer and director, one of the many changes he implemented to 1.0 was a search function was added to the Market Ward that greatly improved it (and thus you no longer had to speak to each retainer individually), and it is this search function that ultimately became the Market Board in ARR, the physical Ward being abolished and rolled into the search function (and hence that meant you could no longer hire market stalls). Lore wise the Market Wards still exist, but only as a hypothetical place retainers only can access (this is what the game means when you hire a retainer that you "send the retainer to the Markets"), the Market Board is basically a streamlined shopfront for accessing the wares of all retainers in the one place.

The whole Market Ward system in 1.0 was a good idea on paper, but one that did not work well in practice, and hence I do not see SE bringing it back.

That’s exactly what I was thinking of how it was with 1.0 it was kind of a pain to find what you’re looking for.

However I get it, it’s a cute idea. Just wish there was a better way to implement it.

You can kinda do this with housing. They've been adding more and more features to allow people to set their homes up as shops. I haven't seen or heard of anyone using it that way, but it sort of exists.

As mentioned, XI did this with player bazaars and 1.0 did this with the market ward. Neither one was very enjoyable to work with. And at least in my opinion, there’s nothing that seems very immersive about becoming a glorified vendor while you’re AFK. You would be better off requesting cushions and carpets that can be used like the parasols and just advertise and sell your wares manually (and probably limit their use to certain areas to prevent people from doing things like carpet-crowning market boards).

Could turn it into a gil sink of sorts with having it so players rent out a stall for their retainer in an instanced market street.

I never knew that 1.0 had the market ward thing. It sounds cool, but I can see why it wouldn't work as well as what we have now.

I would much rather utilize our retainers in this process, rather than have players actually AFK in the middle of a hub town to sell stuff. The problem is you're never going to make anything more convenient than just walking up to a market board and buying something. Anything you design is going to be used as an alternative to the existing market board for a more immersive, yet cumbersome experience. Probably by RPers and the like.

I would say that the most useful thing they could do with this idea is let us better use our housing plots as shops. We can set up a retainer, but only outside for some reason, and only a few of them at a time.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Could turn it into a gil sink of sorts with having it so players rent out a stall for their retainer in an instanced market street.

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That’s exactly how I 1.0 market wards worked. Your retainer was placed randomly or you could rent an available stall along the sides of the halls and put your retainer there instead.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

As mentioned, XI did this with player bazaars and 1.0 did this with the market ward. Neither one was very enjoyable to work with. And at least in my opinion, there’s nothing that seems very immersive about becoming a glorified vendor while you’re AFK. You would be better off requesting cushions and carpets that can be used like the parasols and just advertise and sell your wares manually (and probably limit their use to certain areas to prevent people from doing things like carpet-crowning market boards).

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nah it worked well in ffxi. That is because you were limited to 7 items in the AH. But you could move your character to anywhere in the game world to bazaar. Want to Bazaar in Davoi, have at it. It was actually great to park your character near a zone wall to sell things like food and such.. FFXI also limited the number of crafts you could master as well so you couldn't be a jack of all trades so it made it much more viable.

Here they could easily reimplement the retainer search via the MB and have a teleport linked to where the retainer is set down in the wards and they could provide a return token to the city state they came from. This would increase the traffic to the wards. SE would also need to make retainers placeable inside an apartment/home to make it fair. I mean you have mannequins that can are attached to retainer but no one knows if you are selling a set of armor and such either.

RMT has already infested this game and RMT will be here till the server's die. I mean they still infest FFXI lol.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

The whole Market Ward system in 1.0 was a good idea on paper, but one that did not work well in practice, and hence I do not see SE bringing it back.

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The pain of the market ward before the search function was added was beyond painful. And trying to get a retainer in the Ul'dah market ward after an update - that was as real as getting online now when new housing wards are added!

Just reminds me of FF11 outside jeuno or 1.0 retainer hell

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

FFXIV 1.0 had the Market Ward (...)

The whole Market Ward system in 1.0 was a good idea on paper, but one that did not work well in practice, and hence I do not see SE bringing it back.

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Thanks for explaining all this. I played only a short time in 1.X due to old PC limitations (I never got past level 6 at the time lol).

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

RMT has already infested this game and RMT will be here till the server's die. I mean they still infest FFXI lol.

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You're right, I was mostly thinking about games like Ragnarok Online and Aion where players could type out a message for their shop that would be displayed above their heads, so that just became another avenue for RMT to advertise/spam. I suppose if they didn't add something like that it would be different.

Either way it feels a bit redundant now that we've had the market board for so long, it works well enough so there's very little to gain from tacking another system on top of it just because.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

You're right, I was mostly thinking about games like Ragnarok Online and Aion where players could type out a message for their shop that would be displayed above their heads, so that just became another avenue for RMT to advertise/spam. I suppose if they didn't add something like that it would be different.

Either way it feels a bit redundant now that we've had the market board for so long, it works well enough so there's very little to gain from tacking another system on top of it just because.

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Yea I remember RO. I still from time to time login FFXI and sell some stuff from playing but yea its crazy. But yea I think SE could have tied in something with the current MB and gave a reason for people to visit the wards if there was a direct tele there via the MB and a free tele back. AFterall SE gave us mannequins to sell armor/jewelry as sets and you can buy stuff directly for retainers without the tax if you happen to wander the wards and check out the retainers that are in the yards there. Especially since people complain wards are lifeless for the most part. This would be an interesting to way to look at increasing traffic through the wards lol.

personally it is what is at this stage in the game thought so its just wishful thinking.

I've played games that allow this (Age of Wushu I think? Or Aion or whatever)
And they will merely clutter places. Stalls will be in the most obnoxious locations.

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Originally Posted by File2ish

in front of the zone line to Jeuno in Rolanberry Fields, people were AFK everywhere to sell from their bazaar.

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Ah, RolanMart. The good old days.

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Originally Posted by KyroeFelix

Ah, RolanMart. The good old days.

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hey gotta avoid that tax rate in Jeuno somehow lol

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Originally Posted by lalin

hello , i have this little request it doesn't affect the game but it does affect the immersion and the game's world
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i would love if we have the option to let our characters sell by themselves and not having to use the marketboard . it would be something like this
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...f98CBl-KiFPjW8
and everytime the character starts selling it would do a special emote that lets you open a small stall or just sit on a carpet with items in front of you .
there doesn't have to be a difference between selling on the marketboard or in these stalls , or maybe just remove the market fees if you are going to sell using a stall ?

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A better idea might be to let out retainers set up these stalls, so that - as other have stated - servers are not running at capacity all the time.

I remember back in 2.x that people actually (on my first server) camped out around the aetheryte in Mor Dhona and treated it as a market place to auction high end items as opposed to just selling it! It was pretty cool. They also did some gambling with the dice roll command. It probably wouldn't work as well these days with significantly more players, though. Back then, there was never a queue to log in. These days, there's always a queue.