Do you feel like feast pvp streamers make pvp content worse?

Whenever I watch one of these... maybe excluding 1-2 players who hold high standing in the pvp community.... I find many just act as toxic as they do in game with their audience. They just jab at players they win/lose to the whole time or gossip. Do you think streaming feast is... beneficial to encouraging players to try feast? So far I don't but I'm open to opinions here.

Toxicity makes it look like that the person is knowing what he does, while the truth is even the best players can be wrong, especially if you don't rewatch matches and see every detail.
PvP and showing emotion goes hand in hand though, as in every other game - and it's not that unpopular in streaming. Even the most calm ones will eventually rage about very obvious mistakes e.g. never using a Limit Break.
With that said, blaming others is just very common in PvP after a match, as some players will not accept that they themselves performed poorly. Personally, you just have to try to be smart about it, look at the critics and see if there is something right about it, if you found out they are baseless, just ignore them. Generally speaking, it wouldn't be beneficial to Feast if there is no drama or rage ever either, it makes PvP more interesting - the struggle to improve and work as a team can be difficult to achieve after all and it is only natural that perspectives will clash.
One of the nicest streamers on EU side were probably WhiteWhite or Tarutella, funnily they are/were both healers and often blame themselves despise being r1 players and not really having to take shit from anyone. That shows true quality.
But yes, it would make PvP content worse if its the streamers whole attention to call out people, there has to be a bit balance. This game has just a small PvP scene, we are watching what we get basically...

I did not know that people are actually streaming the PvP from FFXIV. Do they have an audience? I cant imagine that to be more than 20.

From what i have, sadly, experienced is that once nice people became.... not so nice anymore after achieving, or rather, grinding, certain Ranks. People i knew from the earlierst seasons cant be bothered to say hi anymore or anything really.
People often Claim that the Community in FFXIV is so nice and all, the reality is that they just dont express their "true Feelings" openly in Game since SE is quick to punish. Dont you dare being on one of the bigger Discords.... there, they show their True colors :)
I guess the same is correct for Streamers. They expose themselves in a way by streaming and try to fortify their position by acting like a Rank 1 WoW Gladiator Championship Winner.

That said, no. I do not think Streaming is helping in any way. Just as all those seemingly nice and Helpful discords that try to get you in so their owners can tell everyone what a big community they have. Many people claim to be wanting to help new players, in truth they just want more people they can bash behind their backs. Now i know that all sounds very Fatalistic and negative, BUT there are actual nice people. Usually those who keep more to themselves, those who do not boast about their Ranks and achievements, those are the nice ones.

The audience for feast streams are the streamers friends and the people in queue. I wouldn't worry too much about them.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

I did not know that people are actually streaming the PvP from FFXIV. Do they have an audience? I cant imagine that to be more than 20.

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In EU light DC there was a tournament that was hosted which had around 150+ viewers and peaked to nearly 200 iirc which, even I was surprised.
Regular streams seem avg around 20 as you said while Brian's stream hits for 60 since he covers all dcs and runs other pvp content.

I personally think it's a mixed bag because there is players out there who maintain a positive attitude and help others but at the same time you have other players who are more realists in the moment and get frustrated and let it out which isn't exactly a bad thing unless its witch-hunt territory. PvP inherently gets heated sometimes because of its competitive nature and nobody likes to lose at the end of the day. (Especially in this mode where you can lose because of someone else who is new or simply trolls which is an issue in itself.)

Do people outside of the streamer's buddies actually watch these streams though? Are they actually teaching anything or just bashing other players? I'd imagine that would get really old really quick.

With the Feasts lack of audience / relevance most are just sharing their games for the community without having any high goals on making a living as an famous streamer. So i would't see them as "streamers" more like people that just share their games to either give help to others or to get some advice. In some feast communitys there are a lot of private discord streams where people hang around while waiting for their pop. As those matches can be extremly stressful and players are under high tension they react directly on whats happening. This could be a slight mistake but also a major one like tanks that ignore medals in plat games. Bad callouts. First time healers...

But to turn this around: There are plenty high rank players spending a lot of effort in helping others. Even those you may heard are toxic. Somtimes its just worth to catch up with them. It certainly counts not for everyone but there is a lot interest to make the community bigger and better.

But yeah, it always depends on the DC

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Originally Posted by Charlotte_Wells

In some feast communitys there are a lot of private discord streams where people hang around while waiting for their pop.

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Tbh if you get coached as a already good player by another good player, just to gain an advantage to make quicker decisions and to see stuff that wasn't so obvious; or you even go on voicechat together in a solo ranked matched, I would call it cheating probably.
I've had people tell me stuff about a game they weren't even in, because they watched and "helped" another diamond player. Didn't know everyone needs a babysitter now.

Streamers are terrible in general. Never got the appeal and will never get it.

I’ve only encountered one streamer while playing pvp and he was very nice.
I even hopped over to his world to cheer him on. Wonder if he remembers me lol

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

Tbh if you get coached as a already good player by another good player, just to gain an advantage to make quicker decisions and to see stuff that wasn't so obvious; or you even go on voicechat together in a solo ranked matched, I would call it cheating probably.
I've had people tell me stuff about a game they weren't even in, because they watched and "helped" another diamond player. Didn't know everyone needs a babysitter now.

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Yes, i totally agree. Actively helping someone to win a match isn't fair and wasn't what i meant.
Coaching has to be done in customs or based on captures. What i meant was: Even if some
seem to be toxic or are seen as elitists. They can of course be angry or toxic from hearsay
but once they calmed down some of them are still happy to help others to become a better player.

As you mentioned, the community is so good connected - if you help - others will find out.
But i definitely wouldn't doubt that there are smaller circles of players using VC for their advantage.

But yeah, with the posts above i just wanted to mention that people can be angry right in the situation
but can be cool and helpful when they calmed down. Edit: It of course depends on the person and what
they said. Some could just be angry and some could act in a way that there is simply no way to appologize.

Oh and a personal thank you for the healer guide you made a while ago. While it's skillwise outdate
i still like to share it with non healers. Because understanding healers helps them to do their job (or kill them ;-)

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Originally Posted by Araxes

I did not know that people are actually streaming the PvP from FFXIV. Do they have an audience? I cant imagine that to be more than 20.

From what i have, sadly, experienced is that once nice people became.... not so nice anymore after achieving, or rather, grinding, certain Ranks. People i knew from the earlierst seasons cant be bothered to say hi anymore or anything really.
People often Claim that the Community in FFXIV is so nice and all, the reality is that they just dont express their "true Feelings" openly in Game since SE is quick to punish. Dont you dare being on one of the bigger Discords.... there, they show their True colors :)
I guess the same is correct for Streamers. They expose themselves in a way by streaming and try to fortify their position by acting like a Rank 1 WoW Gladiator Championship Winner.

That said, no. I do not think Streaming is helping in any way. Just as all those seemingly nice and Helpful discords that try to get you in so their owners can tell everyone what a big community they have. Many people claim to be wanting to help new players, in truth they just want more people they can bash behind their backs. Now i know that all sounds very Fatalistic and negative, BUT there are actual nice people. Usually those who keep more to themselves, those who do not boast about their Ranks and achievements, those are the nice ones.

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1) What? I'm literally a no-name and I still will get 20+ when queues are active, bigger streamers like Brian and Dan get 50+ easily. Any tournament stream hosted by the community is 100+. Aside from like big streamers and e-girls, it's not like the PvE community has a gigantic audience either. It's just there's more of them.
2) To be fair, some of the top players are ex WoW rank ones, and several have lan experience in multiple games lol.
3) God forbid someone tells you what you do wrong in a game and how to fix it. Ironically this is one of the few games I've played where people are extremely quick to fix your mistake, you might not like the methods they use, but they care, why wouldn't they - it's a solo queue game with a small population.

In regards to people's attitudes when they stream. Yeah a lot of them are vets that are half decent at the game, of course they're going to tilt if people play badly or chuck their matches doing something stupid when they know better. What do you expect, it's a competition.

If a person is in their home, playing a game they spend money monthly on, on a machine that costs upwards of 500 currencies, thousands even, is able to dedicate many hours a week to it, and still have room to feel all pouty after someone said something mean to them on the internet?

I'm just gonna shrug and laugh then tell them to get over it. You're in the top 5% of people who are living a comfortable easy, forward going life with little responsibility and still have them time to get upset over a catgirl dress up simulator. Have a bit of fortitude and tenacity.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

Tbh if you get coached as a already good player by another good player, just to gain an advantage to make quicker decisions and to see stuff that wasn't so obvious; or you even go on voicechat together in a solo ranked matched, I would call it cheating probably.
I've had people tell me stuff about a game they weren't even in, because they watched and "helped" another diamond player. Didn't know everyone needs a babysitter now.

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It's 100% cheating.

There's a reason why games with proper spectator modes have delays on them. There's a reason why competitive games ban coaching. There's a reason why other competitions ban it. There's a reason we don't 'get our act together' to call things out. If you want to have gameplay reviewed, I don't see how you'd have any quarrel with it, but having someone point out what skills were just used, what the enemy have up and keeping track of enemy bursts 100% happens because people on chaos have streamed themselves getting babysat.

Hi! I see my name mentioned a little :p

Anyways, I completely agree that there is a massive difference between getting mad for a moment and just being a toxic person.

In a competitive environment... it's normal to be upset over a bad play and having some salt for losing. Making commentary about the match can be seen as negative to some but if the players and spectators are open to discussion and the intention is to learn from the mistakes I see it as a positive.

What's not good is when people choose to trash about players for hours, days, weeks, months or even years in some cases. What's not good is when people use extremely personal insults and harsh language. What's not good when it's taken to the point where they will throw their matches by not trying or AFKing. What's not good is when you see them spamming players with marks any time they see them.

It not helpful to the community, PvP, or FFXIV in general. We are already a small community and feast in general already has a bad reputation. People like this makes it worst. It's even unbearable for me sometimes. Alot of the time they are using the gossip as a way to get people to watch. Now we essentially have a FFXIV PvP Keemstar :rolleyes:

At the end of the day, it's your choice on what content you would like to watch or support!