[Petition] Give both genders access to the currently gender locked poses.

Yes this is relatively minor, and yes this has been discussed before. Which are only more reasons for me to post this petition.

I think there's only winners if this small change gets implemented and don't see a reason not to. It's even worse considering that everyone loves these poses from promotional material alone. The Dragoon pose is used in the trailers but only males get to use it. Same with the Dark Knight pose with the sword on your shoulder. We see it in cinematics and it's even in the Shadowbringers' logo! Yet only a portion of the players gets access to it. So once again, just give both genders both poses. Please.

The sword on the shoulder is really silly looking & unrealistic af- unless the sword was made of plastic there'd be no actual way that would be possible without something there to lift the sword, not to mention that once it's on the shoulder, it'll probably crush your neck unless all of the weight is shifted to hold it upright- Anime Claymores of that size & caliber would just crush things like a hammer, not slice. But that's the nerd side of me--

about your actual topic - you're right- there would only be winners & I very much think SE should consider & implement in unlocking poses for everyone +1

Sure.

Character gender should really have no bearing on how you hold a damn sword. Not in this game, where you can tank Titan as the smallest lalafell or the largest roe. It is ultimately a silly restriction, and a contrived way of making these exclusive poses feel "special" cause they're locked to their respective gender.

Sorry don't agree. Different genders should have different poses. I think what they're doing is just fine.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Sorry don't agree. Different genders should have different poses. I think what they're doing is just fine.

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Out of curiousity, what's your reason for disagreeing with it? I don't think the way someone holds their weapon is something gender defining.

Personally, I'd love to be able to use the DRG or PLD male poses.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

The sword on the shoulder is really silly looking & unrealistic af- unless the sword was made of plastic there'd be no actual way that would be possible without something there to lift the sword, not to mention that once it's on the shoulder, it'll probably crush your neck unless all of the weight is shifted to hold it upright- Anime Claymores of that size & caliber would just crush things like a hammer, not slice. But that's the nerd side of me--

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Holding it over one shoulder is no more unrealistic that using a giant spike-covered slab of metal posing as a sword in the first place. And let's not even get into the magic side of the job. Or some of the grips on these things, which should grind our hands off trying to wield them....

Realism was never a factor with weapon design in this game, so why let it interfere with fun?

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Out of curiousity, what's your reason for disagreeing with it? I don't think the way someone holds their weapon is something gender defining.

Personally, I'd love to be able to use the DRG or PLD male poses.

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I like diversity when it comes to male and female emotes. I don't buy the make them so both can be the same. Sorry but if they make them both available which they won't you can expect for the future only one set of emotes for both genders instead of two. They won't make two if they both get the same.

That doesn't apply to regular c-poses, so I think it shouldn't apply to the combat c-poses either. As long as there's enough variety in poses (which there is) you won't see everyone doing the same pose. With this change they only give players the freedom to choose what fits their character the best. And at the end of the day, if the majority of the FFXIV community wants to see this change I think it should happen in this case.

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Originally Posted by Jarvice

if the majority of the FFXIV community wants to see this change I think it should happen in this case.

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So you're the majority huh? Mind providing the survey where that is the case. You mean the wanna be the same crowd on this forum when it comes to emotes, gear, glamour and so on being the same for everyone isn't the majority.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I like diversity when it comes to male and female emotes. I don't buy the make them so both can be the same. Sorry but if they make them both available which they won't you can expect for the future only one set of emotes for both genders instead of two. They won't make two if they both get the same.

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Isn't this thread about poses, not emotes? Y'know, the pose that happens when you draw a weapon/sit/stand/doze, and then use /changepose?

Assuming you were talking about poses, keep in mind that the most recent idle /changepose additions were the new /doze poses in patch 3.35 (over 4 years ago). Prior to that, we had additional seated poses added in patch 3.1 (almost 5 years ago), weapon idle poses added in patch 2.38 (6 years ago), and new standing/seated poses added in patch 2.28 (about 6 years and 3-4 months ago).

I wouldn't expect them to be adding any new ones any time soon. And if they do, I wouldn't be surprised if it were one set of poses for both genders.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Isn't this thread about poses, not emotes? Y'know, the pose that happens when you draw a weapon/sit/stand/doze, and then use /changepose?

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I know it's about weapon poses. It's the same ball of wax. Pose, emotes, hempen sets, generic gear for all the refrain from a group on the forum has been asking for these for years. They aren't getting attention from the developers and I'm sure it's because there are many of us who do not want to see these homongenized like some do nor do the developers want to see it done. Male and female poses, emotes etc should be different and I'm personally opposed to changing that. You're entitled to your view but so am I.

Nothing wrong with adding more poses or making them less inclusive. I actually quite like the female dragoon pose and would like to use it. ~

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I know it's about weapon poses. It's the same ball of wax. Pose, emotes, hempen sets, generic gear for all the refrain from a group on the forum has been asking for these for years. They aren't getting attention from the developers and I'm sure it's because there are many of us who do not want to see these homongenized like some do nor do the developers want to see it done. Male and female poses, emotes etc should be different and I'm personally opposed to changing that. You're entitled to your view but so am I.

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Except the devs have addressed the hempen sets before, albeit through a horribly mistranslated question. But that's still not what this thread is about. This one is about the poses, no matter if you think it's the "same ball of wax" as the other things you mentioned.

I can understand each gender/race having gear exclusive to them (although Viera kinda threw a wrench in that one, with the hempen top), and people being opposed to having that changed. What puzzles me is that you think holding a weapon at a slightly different angle should be limited by gender.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I like diversity when it comes to male and female emotes. I don't buy the make them so both can be the same. Sorry but if they make them both available which they won't you can expect for the future only one set of emotes for both genders instead of two. They won't make two if they both get the same.

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A emote is not a pose , stop being a karen.

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Originally Posted by Waterscape

A emote is not a pose , stop being a karen.

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LOL that's your response I'm a Karen. That pretty typical of someone not willing to deal with people with other opinions. Get over yourself you're not the litmus test for how this topic is responded to. I've made it pretty clear about HOW I FEEL about the subject. Not going to deal with people like you who prefer to shut down other points of view. Live with it the world doesn't revolve around you.

Only people who agree with the OP are allowed to post in here it appears.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

LOL that's your response I'm a Karen. That pretty typical of someone not willing to deal with people with other opinions. Get over yourself you're not the litmus test for how this topic is responded to. I've made it pretty clear about HOW I FEEL about the subject. Not going to deal with people like you who prefer to shut down other points of view. Live with it the world doesn't revolve around you.

Only people who agree with the OP are allowed to post in here it appears.

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Your opinion about it don't make sense just like this restriction. You have no valid reason to be against it.

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Originally Posted by Jarvice

I think there's only winners if this small change gets implemented and don't see a reason not to. It's even worse considering that everyone loves these poses from promotional material alone. The Dragoon pose is used in the trailers but only males get to use it. Same with the Dark Knight pose with the sword on your shoulder. We see it in cinematics and it's even in the Shadowbringers' logo! Yet only a portion of the players gets access to it. So once again, just give both genders both poses. Please.

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All winners, eh? I beg to differ. I say everyone loses. Anytime the dev team goes back to rework content like this, which is entirely QoL; what suffers is the content that is playable. Dev time and resources are finite. While how they have chosen to allocate these resources at times is very questionable, that doesn't mean that we as a playerbase should condone or support those decisions.

Bozja as an example seems like it was nowhere near as complete as they would have liked it to be prior to releasing this content. I say this because while many players feel it has improved over Eureka, it is clear as day that there are tons of issues with it. Many of these issues I am sure they were aware of before releasing 5.35, but they have a deadline, and they had to deliver. Now go over and take a peek at the BSF feedback thread that continues to grow as I type this. Everyone in BSF is suffering from something that needs to be addressed.

When things like this happen, it is beyond easy for me to point fingers at things such as flying in ARR, adding the telegraphs to Coincounter in AV, and even Viera and Hrothgar.

Considering how long ago they added new idle poses (not emotes) last time, seeing them unlocked would be nice, really. Will actually add more diversity too, as people will be able to choose from a wider variety of options. It sadly probably won't happen as they usually prefer to, understandably, do new things instead of going back, but if it ever does - I'm all up for it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

So you're the majority huh? Mind providing the survey where that is the case. You mean the wanna be the same crowd on this forum when it comes to emotes, gear, glamour and so on being the same for everyone isn't the majority.

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Please read my comment again: if the majority of the FFXIV community wants to see this change I think it should happen in this case. "If" as in seeing the result of this petition, and "in this case" referring to just changing the poses. Not the rest that you mentioned. That's all I'm implying and I think it would make a lot of people happy :)

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Originally Posted by Gemina

All winners, eh? I beg to differ. I say everyone loses. Anytime the dev team goes back to rework content like this, which is entirely QoL; what suffers is the content that is playable. Dev time and resources are finite. While how they have chosen to allocate these resources at times is very questionable, that doesn't mean that we as a playerbase should condone or support those decisions.

Bozja as an example seems like it was nowhere near as complete as they would have liked it to be prior to releasing this content. I say this because while many players feel it has improved over Eureka, it is clear as day that there are tons of issues with it. Many of these issues I am sure they were aware of before releasing 5.35, but they have a deadline, and they had to deliver. Now go over and take a peek at the BSF feedback thread that continues to grow as I type this. Everyone in BSF is suffering from something that needs to be addressed.

When things like this happen, it is beyond easy for me to point fingers at things such as flying in ARR, adding the telegraphs to Coincounter in AV, and even Viera and Hrothgar.

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I understand that dev time and resources are finite, but that's one of the reasons why I think this change isn't out of the question. Obviously, I don't know what the back-end of the game looks like but the poses are already in the game. I think it's safe to assume that this change won't take a lot of resources but will be appreciated by a lot of people. Should be a good rate of return, if you will :) Should that make this change a priority? Probably not. And I know the chances of it happening are small. I just wanted to see if a petition could get some attention to it. Because I hope it will be implemented someday.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

All winners, eh? I beg to differ. I say everyone loses. Anytime the dev team goes back to rework content like this, which is entirely QoL; what suffers is the content that is playable. Dev time and resources are finite. While how they have chosen to allocate these resources at times is very questionable, that doesn't mean that we as a playerbase should condone or support those decisions.

Bozja as an example seems like it was nowhere near as complete as they would have liked it to be prior to releasing this content. I say this because while many players feel it has improved over Eureka, it is clear as day that there are tons of issues with it. Many of these issues I am sure they were aware of before releasing 5.35, but they have a deadline, and they had to deliver. Now go over and take a peek at the BSF feedback thread that continues to grow as I type this. Everyone in BSF is suffering from something that needs to be addressed.

When things like this happen, it is beyond easy for me to point fingers at things such as flying in ARR, adding the telegraphs to Coincounter in AV, and even Viera and Hrothgar.

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The people that would do something like add/create animations have nothing to do with the other gameplay related things you've mentioned; not every developer fills every role. People have pretty specialized jobs, especially for something like animations or 3D modeling. The closest thing might be Viera and Hrothgar, but I'm less convinced that's an issue with manpower/resources. There's something else going on with those two races.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Sorry don't agree. Different genders should have different poses. I think what they're doing is just fine.

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but why tho

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Holding it over one shoulder is no more unrealistic that using a giant spike-covered slab of metal posing as a sword in the first place. And let's not even get into the magic side of the job. Or some of the grips on these things, which should grind our hands off trying to wield them....

Realism was never a factor with weapon design in this game, so why let it interfere with fun?

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I never said it interfered with fun, just that the sword over shoulder looked really silly & unrealistic. Sure, it's a fantasy game with magic & such but it doesn't mean I have to like the animations which I was being clear about- I also was agreeing with OP. It there wouldn't be a loser & only winners if all poses were unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Jarvice

Yes this is relatively minor, and yes this has been discussed before. Which are only more reasons for me to post this petition.

I think there's only winners if this small change gets implemented and don't see a reason not to. It's even worse considering that everyone loves these poses from promotional material alone. The Dragoon pose is used in the trailers but only males get to use it. Same with the Dark Knight pose with the sword on your shoulder. We see it in cinematics and it's even in the Shadowbringers' logo! Yet only a portion of the players gets access to it. So once again, just give both genders both poses. Please.

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My next question would be: how do I reach more people with this?

Remember when females used to /sit with their legs spread wide open?