Assassin job (full concept & artwork)

Hi, I'm Ceasaria Pheonixia, a player who love to make original job concepts since Stormblood. This is the concept I have put the most effort on it (with a commission from Catthy Trinh artist), I want to give it more visibility, so I have put it on Reddit too.

So, please take a look at my Assassin job concept. If you want to have an overview, check the upper part (before the skills part) and the different combos and opener (after the skills part).

I know it can be long to read it all and understand everything, so I want to thank you in advance for your time spent to read my work.

Feel free to tell me your thoughts about it.

I hope you will enjoy it !

That is a lot of 3 part combo chains in there, good lord.

We already have Assassin its ninja

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Originally Posted by Saber44

We already have Assassin its ninja

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Assassin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G3tUQZDOyM

Ninja:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhJYCopAL6A

You can have more than one dual-weapon type job in games. Thief is different since it's basically rouge, and it's nice to even cater to subtle aesthetic differences or interests. Like: Having a minstrel (support), Bard (FF14, dps, support), Songstress (hlr, crowd control), and Orchestrian Conductor (tnk, support)

My thoughts and questions on the job:
-I think the overall job design is good. It's like a mix of ARR-HW NIN and MNK.
-Does an affliction's effect time reset when you add a stack?
-Can you have all three affliction on a target or does a new affliction remove the older one?
-Does Siren's Path's affliction just increase damage you do to the affected or does it increase all damage done onto the affected (like from other partymembers)?
-I don't think Umbral Movement needs partymember movement effect. I think every melee-ranged job gets a gap-closer, plus it could potentially mess up some mechanics where you need to stack then spread/go to specific spots.
-Shared Pain's description is a little confusing. Does it take away 10 affliction stacks from a target and make you invulnerable to them?

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

That is a lot of 3 part combo chains in there, good lord.

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How I see it is that there's only one 3 button combo but the third button's name and effect changes depending on which Patch stance you have up.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

My thoughts and questions on the job:
-I think the overall job design is good. It's like a mix of ARR-HW NIN and MNK.
-Does an affliction's effect time reset when you add a stack?
-Can you have all three affliction on a target or does a new affliction remove the older one?
-Does Siren's Path's affliction just increase damage you do to the affected or does it increase all damage done onto the affected (like from other partymembers)?
-I don't think Umbral Movement needs partymember movement effect. I think every melee-ranged job gets a gap-closer, plus it could potentially mess up some mechanics where you need to stack then spread/go to specific spots.
-Shared Pain's description is a little confusing. Does it take away 10 affliction stacks from a target and make you invulnerable to them?

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- Thank you :)
- Yes, the time is resetted.
- You can have the three at the same time (the goal is the have the maximum of stacks for each of them on the target).
- Siren's Path's affliction increases damage done on the target by any source.
- For Umbral Movement, I was very hesitating because you could move other party members accidentally yes. I wanted to be it like an original bonus, but maybe it will be not comfortable to use then. Will see what I will do about it.
- Yeah, I tried to do Shared Pain's description in one line, but maybe I should have done a 2nd line for this. You take all the afflictions on the target, put them on you. Yes, you are invulnerable to them. Then you can put them on any enemy target of your choice. I wanted a skill which allows to not lose entirely stacks, for example passing from a boss to an add (if boss become immune). But yeah, with the cooldown of 90s, you can't do this indefinitely.

Hope it's more understandable now ^^

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

How I see it is that there's only one 3 button combo but the third button's name and effect changes depending on which Patch stance you have up.

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That's exactly this, yes.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

How I see it is that there's only one 3 button combo but the third button's name and effect changes depending on which Patch stance you have up.

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Ah so like the old ninja stances then, gotcha. I thought that was an interesting concept in 2.4, but there really werent but what 2 moves that changed based on the stance at the time, so i suppose this is just bringing the system back, but using it as the basic gimmick for how the job operates, not bad. as long as the stance changes were more fluid and controllable manually, i could see this being interesting play style.

Assassin is not a FF job. That said, Thief (Rogue) and Ninja are the FF equivalents of Assassin, as evident by their historic actions: Sneak Attack/Jugulate/Trick Attack/Hide/Assassinate/Poison themed skills, etc. These 2 jobs specialize in attacking from the shadows, moving quickly, and using throwing daggers/shurikens/venoms, etc.

It's grrrrreat.

at some point we are gonna have expasnsions with no jobs id rather we get unique jobs and make future selections count rather than wasting it on Assassin. Is the other Job Astromancer and the tank Black Knight?

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Assassin is not a FF job. That said, Thief (Rogue) and Ninja are the FF equivalents of Assassin, as evident by their historic actions: Sneak Attack/Jugulate/Trick Attack/Hide/Assassinate/Poison themed skills, etc. These 2 jobs specialize in attacking from the shadows, moving quickly, and using throwing daggers/shurikens/venoms, etc.

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THANK YOU!!!!

People, before you suggest a new job, ask yourself: 1) is it a job from a previous game? If not, 2) does the job represent the fighting style of a major protagonist or major villain? 3) has the job idea already been dismissed by Yoshida (e.g. Necromancer)? If the answer to these 3 are NO, then it will never happen. All current FFXIV jobs are jobs from previous FF games, or are jobs that represent the fighting style of a major protagonist (Squall Leonheart's Dissida NT movelist = Gunbreaker).

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Assassin is not a FF job. That said, Thief (Rogue) and Ninja are the FF equivalents of Assassin, as evident by their historic actions: Sneak Attack/Jugulate/Trick Attack/Hide/Assassinate/Poison themed skills, etc. These 2 jobs specialize in attacking from the shadows, moving quickly, and using throwing daggers/shurikens/venoms, etc.

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Assassins were in Tactics Advanced and Tactics A2 as a job Viera could play.
In those games, Assassins were one of the best jobs in the game, having some of the best stat growth for Vieras, access to both a melee or ranged weapon (katanas and great bows), inflict status effects, and had an auto-KO skill (granted, it had a low hit-rate but you could use abilities and buffs to make that a moot point).

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

People, before you suggest a new job, ask yourself: 1) is it a job from a previous game? If not, 2) does the job represent the fighting style of a major protagonist or major villain? 3) has the job idea already been dismissed by Yoshida (e.g. Necromancer)? If the answer to these 3 are NO, then it will never happen. All current FFXIV jobs are jobs from previous FF games, or are jobs that represent the fighting style of a major protagonist (Squall Leonheart's Dissida NT movelist = Gunbreaker).

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There's no rule say people can't come up with job concepts for fun. Nor do I see the OP demanding SE make it an actual job. :B
Trying to make obscure or new jobs fit into XIV's format can be a fun way to flex your creative muscles for some.
(Not to mention, things Yoshi-P have said in the past have been proven to not be 100% set in stone).

Pretty sure there were Assassin NPC's/bosses in the first FF Tactics as well.

Concept looks fine.

It'll never be used, for reasons that have nothing to do with game development and everything to do with legal liability due to copyright infringement. It's the main reason authors and other creators ignore fan fiction that use their creations. Too much trouble sorting out the legalities after "you used my idea" appeared in court one too many times.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

There's no rule say people can't come up with job concepts for fun. Nor do I see the OP demanding SE make it an actual job. :B
Trying to make obscure or new jobs fit into XIV's format can be a fun way to flex your creative muscles for some.

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Thank you !
Yes, I like to make new and original concept while being fun, interesting and making sense.
It's a challenge for me too, and it will serve my future, because one day I would like to be Game Designer.

What I have done so far :
- Stormblood : Dryad (healer), Meteorologist (dps), Time Knight (tank)
- Shadowbringer : Pyrotechnician (healer), Scholar rework, Assassin (dps)

I didn't get mass reviews on my work and it's understandable, because it's a lot of work to read it all.
But, overall I got positive comments which is good for me ^^
I will maybe continue next year with Monk rework (already have ideas), and/or Savior (tank) based on Final Fantasy XIII trilogy.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Concept looks fine.

It'll never be used, for reasons that have nothing to do with game development and everything to do with legal liability due to copyright infringement. It's the main reason authors and other creators ignore fan fiction that use their creations. Too much trouble sorting out the legalities after "you used my idea" appeared in court one too many times.

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Thanks !
Square Enix can hire me then :)
I'm ready !

Keep in mind Yoshi-P also said he is open to introducing new Jobs exclusive to FF14 as well years ago so the development team is open to introducing new jobs into the FF series when they feel like it. The already existing Jobs in FF series are just easier to add into FF14 because they have a set concept and lore from past FF games.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

Pretty sure there were Assassin NPC's/bosses in the first FF Tactics as well.

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Yes there were some. However, they haven't really been a playable job outside of say Tactics advanced (Shadow from FFVI was listed as an assassin, but abilities were just straight up ninja) which just started throwing job bloat everywhere in my mind. If we are going to go with one of the less known jobs, I'd rather see something like a rune knight, or mystic knight (roughly what Cloud was going to be if they went with jobs in FFVII), or a balanced version of the Sword Saint for dps.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

Yes there were some. However, they haven't really been a playable job outside of say Tactics advanced (Shadow from FFVI was listed as an assassin, but abilities were just straight up ninja) which just started throwing job bloat everywhere in my mind. If we are going to go with one of the less known jobs, I'd rather see something like a rune knight, or mystic knight (roughly what Cloud was going to be if they went with jobs in FFVII), or a balanced version of the Sword Saint for dps.

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Yeah about 6 in general it had some rough translations/localizations.(had even seen Cyan being referred to as a dark knight long time ago, but hes def Samurai) Also the Assassins in FFT, they had some odd abilities i think.Its been a while since i played that game though so i could be wrong.