Female Hrothgar in the Front

I know, there are so very few of them, but the front does seem to show at least one or two in the various cutscenes?

Are they meant to look like a more buff then normal elf?

Does it?
Where?
As far as I can tell everyone's wife / mother / sister is dead.

the flashbacks for one?

There's a piece of mosaic art depicting some but none in cutscenes.

Here's to hoping we see a real female Hrothgar by 5.55 in the Bozja content. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

the flashbacks for one?

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Flashbacks? You mean the cutscene after Castrum? The NPC is very plainly a Roegadyn.

When you finish the Castrum quest you get some notes for your collection about

Queen Gunhildr. It mentions that the name is a title given to whoever is the current queen, who is chosen among the shrine maidens. While the majority of Bozjans are Hrothgar, this particular one was a Roegadyn.

I say it's partly because there's no female Hrothgar model ready. I wish we could see an actual Femhroth by 5.5, though.

On the one hand, they don't have a female Hrothgar model.

On the other hand, if they build a female Hrothgar NPC specially for the cutscene but there are other underlying reasons for not "completing" the playable races, people are never going to stop asking why they won't just give it to us.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

On the one hand, they don't have a female Hrothgar model.

On the other hand, if they build a female Hrothgar NPC specially for the cutscene but there are other underlying reasons for not "completing" the playable races, people are never going to stop asking why they won't just give it to us.

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Wouldn't stop at just female Hrothgar it would bleed over to male Viera as well, it is a path best not tread unless they are prepared for constant complaints about it.

People will still ask anyways I don't see the point in this "speculation". It's just a requested feature regardless of a model for a cutscene.

It's funny they had to make a story work around about why queen gunnhildr isn't a female hrothgar the mosaics is still too much why no male viera mosaics.

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Originally Posted by QT_Melon

People will still ask anyways I don't see the point in this "speculation". It's just a requested feature regardless of a model for a cutscene.

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Difference is how well the reasoning would fly, you show a full in game model of female Hrothgar and they are still not going to be playable, will probably have a bigger following to try and make them playable than just having illustrations of them. As my earlier post said it is a road best not tread, illustrations sure but full models will cause the JP fanfest 2.0 situation of unnecessary vitriol towards the devs and the reasoning of models ain't there will lose traction even of they wear 1 outfit people would demand that 1 outfit female Hrothgar so they can mod it on their PCs.

Again a road best left untread unless prepared for what it will bring and they weren't prepared for the amount the male Hrothgar reveal brought upon them.

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Originally Posted by Gojin

It's funny they had to make a story work around about why queen gunnhildr isn't a female hrothgar the mosaics is still too much why no male viera mosaics.

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Anyone asking why no male Viera in this storyline really need to take a step back and ask themselves "Why would anything male Viera related be in the Bozja storyline that is about Hrothgar homeland?"

If this was Valnein sure I could see possible lore for male Vieras due to proximity of Golmore Jungle but we are so far removed from their native lands anything that shows up about them would be a literally this is outta nowhere pikachu shocked face meme

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

"Why would anything male Viera related be in the Bozja storyline that is about Hrothgar homeland?"

...anything that shows up about them would be a literally this is outta nowhere pikachu shocked face meme

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I definitely agree. Though to predict other people's reasoning while I vent about the stories excuses:

Some could ask the same question, 'Why is Roegedyn the main focus of a Antagonist and past queen in a lineage of Hrothgars?' And if for the reason of "lets sacrifice someone else", how did these super soilder blades do a bang up job in not finishing up the whole business so there would be no coincidental descendants of a specific shrine maiden that became an aether consuming demigod?
I am not going to let this go, its a dumb twist. Whats so hard about making a villian not have some significant ties to past lore in the story? The twist villian could just be someone who is moved by the revolt and desire to take action. Having her coincidentally be a descendant is just silly to me and muddied the sincerity of her fears. G'raha Tia's lineage is from a Race/Culture of people, a bit on the royal side but not towards a specific individual that would give him the red eyes of allag.
She sounds like an angry young adult who has some birthright to take over and enslave Bozja and its resistance members for the approval of some father figure. Thats probably the point but I will not feel any sympathy when I land my axe between her eyes and stiff upper lip (All bets on redemption being the solution-_-).

Maybe next patches will have us bring back the previous queen or some future grand daughter since we are playing the, "descendent of super important figure for Hamlet BS" card :/

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Originally Posted by AnAverageAspie

I definitely agree. Though to predict other people's reasoning while I vent about the stories excuses:

Some could ask the same question, 'Why is Roegedyn the main focus of a Antagonist and past queen in a lineage of Hrothgars?' And if for the reason of "lets sacrifice someone else", how did these super soilder blades do a bang up job in not finishing up the whole business so there would be no coincidental descendants of a specific shrine maiden that became an aether consuming demigod?
I am not going to let this go, its a dumb twist. Whats so hard about making a villian not have some significant ties to past lore in the story? The twist villian could just be someone who is moved by the revolt and desire to take action. Having her coincidentally be a descendant is just silly to me and muddied the sincerity of her fears. G'raha Tia's lineage is from a Race/Culture of people, a bit on the royal side but not towards a specific individual that would give him the red eyes of allag.
She sounds like an angry young adult who has some birthright to take over and enslave Bozja and its resistance members for the approval of some father figure. Thats probably the point but I will not feel any sympathy when I land my axe between her eyes and stiff upper lip (All bets on redemption being the solution-_-).

Maybe next patches will have us bring back the previous queen or some future grand daughter since we are playing the, "descendent of super important figure for Hamlet BS" card :/

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I assume her play is to fell both the resistance and the empire and bring the Bozjan people under her rule. The conversation at the end of the Castrum seems to imply that she can't be trusted and should be used as fonder. Furthermore, the idea that she is a descendant legitimatizes this claim to the throne and gives her access to knowledge that should have been left in the past.

Call it a dumb twist, but Matsuno's stories tend to give all the characters reasons to behave badly.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Anyone asking why no male Viera in this storyline really need to take a step back and ask themselves "Why would anything male Viera related be in the Bozja storyline that is about Hrothgar homeland?"

If this was Valnein sure I could see possible lore for male Vieras due to proximity of Golmore Jungle but we are so far removed from their native lands anything that shows up about them would be a literally this is outta nowhere pikachu shocked face meme

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This. In case we forget the development of Hrothgar was intended for the game and its lore. Viera was a pivot due to player popularity and request. Literally the existence of Viera is why female Hrothgar aren't in the story and don't have models at this point in time. Now we can hope for female Hrothgar, but you'll just have to wait till the lore and the expansions catch up with Vieras.

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Originally Posted by AnAverageAspie

I definitely agree. Though to predict other people's reasoning while I vent about the stories excuses:

Some could ask the same question, 'Why is Roegedyn the main focus of a Antagonist and past queen in a lineage of Hrothgars?' And if for the reason of "lets sacrifice someone else", how did these super soilder blades do a bang up job in not finishing up the whole business so there would be no coincidental descendants of a specific shrine maiden that became an aether consuming demigod?
I am not going to let this go, its a dumb twist. Whats so hard about making a villian not have some significant ties to past lore in the story? The twist villian could just be someone who is moved by the revolt and desire to take action. Having her coincidentally be a descendant is just silly to me and muddied the sincerity of her fears. G'raha Tia's lineage is from a Race/Culture of people, a bit on the royal side but not towards a specific individual that would give him the red eyes of allag.
She sounds like an angry young adult who has some birthright to take over and enslave Bozja and its resistance members for the approval of some father figure. Thats probably the point but I will not feel any sympathy when I land my axe between her eyes and stiff upper lip (All bets on redemption being the solution-_-).

Maybe next patches will have us bring back the previous queen or some future grand daughter since we are playing the, "descendent of super important figure for Hamlet BS" card :/

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I loved the boss fights and raid aspect of the Bozja Castrum, but man the story on the other hand has gotten off on the wrong foot for me.

Honestly, I'm more upset that Bwagi could just walk in and shoot her like it was no big thang, meanwhile every MCH main who did Bozja Castrum on MCH needs to get sore about this. We're supposed to be the fast draw and best shot in the world, we coulda shot Misjia the second she kicked Mikoto to the side. Hell, every job except Monk has a ranged attack that would cover the distance between us and Misjia in that cutscene before she forced us into the memory to change it.

As for her blood relation, that's the only conceivable reason as to why Gunnhildr would have listened to her imo to let her alter the memory.

I was also kind of irritated that literally none of the new Gunnhildr's Blades dodged the tempering javelins. They're supposed to be hella good fighters, you'd think at least one of them could have hit the deck even if it didn't save them, instead of standing there, jaw agape, as a laser javelin pierced their chests. Ugh.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Honestly, I'm more upset that Bwagi could just walk in and shoot her like it was no big thang, meanwhile every MCH main who did Bozja Castrum on MCH needs to get sore about this. We're supposed to be the fast draw and best shot in the world, we coulda shot Misjia the second she kicked Mikoto to the side. Hell, every job except Monk has a ranged attack that would cover the distance between us and Misjia in that cutscene before she forced us into the memory to change it.

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Cutscene Incompetence is nothing new to WoL - the aftermath of The Vault if you're doing it as a healer (or Paladin, or Red Mage) comes to mind.

In fairness, at the time Bwagi shot her WoL was holding back the Tempering attack, although yeah, her kicking Mikoto aside and everybody still staring at her was pretty damn bizarre, but if you want to stretch logic a bit, Bajsaljen was still trying to talk her down on peaceful terms to bring her back to their side and everybody was waiting on his order before attacking. Arguably, the fault lies with him for not acting quickly decisively enough.

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As for her blood relation, that's the only conceivable reason as to why Gunnhildr would have listened to her imo to let her alter the memory.

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I think it was more that the Shrine Maiden was already stretching her psyche to accept her fate - it's a very reluctant smile when she says, "At least my people will be safe."

Considering she's literally been stabbed in the back by her own people, whilst expecting to have died pretending to be a Queen who was too cowardly to go through it herself, ultimately it didn't, understandably, take much more than Misjia twisting the dagger a bit and telling her that history won't remember her sacrifice to tip her over the edge considering everything she's been through. Misjia being her descendant just adds some legitimacy to her words.

I am a bit annoyed how the cutscene played out but I feel the context and the additional lore/twists muddy my reason to complain about us standing in place like with almost every other cutscene in the game while not taking into account what class/role we are in.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I assume her play is to fell both the resistance and the empire and bring the Bozjan people under her rule. The conversation at the end of the Castrum seems to imply that she can't be trusted and should be used as fonder. Furthermore, the idea that she is a descendant legitimatizes this claim to the throne and gives her access to knowledge that should have been left in the past.

Call it a dumb twist, but Matsuno's stories tend to give all the characters reasons to behave badly.

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But was this the only proper reasoning for a villain like her? Someone upset over their life in Bozja yet ironically finding a fairer life under empire rule, its Fordola all over again but with someone who was poor and alone at the start; a nice introspection. However, it takes her to find some "connection" to the royal lineage (in public resources for high officials) that pushes her to be more active in stomping the resistance? You'd think the harsh life she lived under non imperial Bozja rule would be enough. I feel its much more terrifying or effective that anyone of any birth or status could still nearly ground the resistance if they did the work and research. We had to wait for a 29 yr old descendant to do that? Would the Save the Queen plan not work without her when they already put it into motion without her on the team yet? The theme in the Bozja quest is false sense of trust or betrayal. So I think she would be betrayed by her superiors first just like the Queen of eld for dramatic irony. She then despises the resistance and empire. Queen becomes savage Ashura and we cleanse her and do something to untemper the blades, while Misjia gets frozen in the memory world or gets a forgiveness speech.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

As for her blood relation, that's the only conceivable reason as to why Gunnhildr would have listened to her imo to let her alter the memory.

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Originally Posted by Calixis

Considering she's literally been stabbed in the back by her own people, whilst expecting to have died pretending to be a Queen who was too cowardly to go through it herself, ultimately it didn't, understandably, take much more than Misjia twisting the dagger a bit and telling her that history won't remember her sacrifice to tip her over the edge considering everything she's been through. Misjia being her descendant just adds some legitimacy to her words.

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Her heritage is not implied or mentioned as a reason she could alter the memory. I think it just needs someone who lived it, has strong will OR contains an item related, since she's holding the aether conduit of the primal queen. A big significance.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Difference is how well the reasoning would fly, you show a full in game model of female Hrothgar and they are still not going to be playable, will probably have a bigger following to try and make them playable than just having illustrations of them. As my earlier post said it is a road best not tread, illustrations sure but full models will cause the JP fanfest 2.0 situation of unnecessary vitriol towards the devs and the reasoning of models ain't there will lose traction even of they wear 1 outfit people would demand that 1 outfit female Hrothgar so they can mod it on their PCs.

Again a road best left untread unless prepared for what it will bring and they weren't prepared for the amount the male Hrothgar reveal brought upon them.

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Mmm actually no. I know... it's easy to think that once one is modeled, it would be game playable. However, we have models for many humanoid creatures we can't play. Like a primal. Shiva, Garuda, Sophia or a beastman. It could have been done well enough like that and to know that the model wasn't in any way playable. It would have probably lent more to the narrative of the story. In fact, the idea of seeing THE QUEEN, I figured she would look more different given her position that I thought a one off Primal type model was going to be used. Basically, I never thought once that if they showed the Queen, she'd actually be a "prototype playable model" but a model with much higher detail.

But anyways, my main objection towards this was that it's kind of disappointing that this was used more as snark at the playerbase than actually answering the OP's question.