Option for new classes for leveling

I would like to get a conversation going about new job's that are added.

Specifically around the idea for what level they start at.
-DRK, AST, MCH started at 30
-SAM, RDM started at 50
-GNB, DNC started at 60

Now this is great for those that want to just dive right in and get at it, but for me I find the fun is learning the job over a long period of time, rather then just getting the job and reading the hell out of the tool tips. Working on a target dummy until you have it figured out. There is some value in just playing the class from level 1-Max.

Now do you think it would be out of the question to allow those that want to start the next new jobs at level 1? I don't think it's wrong to offer a choice to those and would like to go back to the old zones. I find it deeply relaxing leveling in the old zones. We did see this with BLU being added and old zones were OVERFLOWING with BLU mage parties.

Pros in offering choice to start at level 1 with new jobs:
-Old zones see new life
-New players to the game see the added population to older content.
-Fates, maps, hunts, dungeons all see new players.
-new life to the MB sales for 1-70 gear, items, Grand Company

Cons in offering choice:
-None really as it's completely up to the player to decide.


This is merely for the people that want to experience the job at lower levels and learn it over time, while going back to the older zones. I feel that the duty finder harshly undermines the exploration experience of the zones, when you just do the MSQ and unlock things there is no real incentive to go back to the old zones outside gathering.

But if we had the option to decide what we wanted to do with the new jobs this would ultimately provide new life to old zones. I personally don't want to skip over half of the leveling experience if I don't want to....but ultimately it's my choice if offered.

What does everyone think?

I don't see the point to be honest.
You can queue up for Sastasha if you want the early leveling experience.

It really doesn't take 70+ levels to learn a job either. When I level a new job, I tend to get sick of it after about 10 levels and move on to a different one until I've more or less forgotten it and can kinda learn it again for the next 10 levels.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I don't see the point to be honest.
You can queue up for Sastasha if you want the early leveling experience.

It really doesn't take 70+ levels to learn a job either. When I level a new job, I tend to get sick of it after about 10 levels and move on to a different one until I've more or less forgotten it and can kinda learn it again for the next 10 levels.

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Well I suppose that's why it's a choice. Some would like it...where others won't care.

I never wanted it all or nothing.

Prior to their last 20 levels or so, I don't think there's enough complexity in jobs of any sort to necessitate a wade-in period.

I'd have preferred if the advanced jobs had base classes just so someone who, say, wants to be a tank specifically of the two-handed-sword variety can use a two-handed sword from the start (e.g. as a Templar), rather than needing to swap from what they may consider an unattractive axe-wielding barbarian or a hackneyed, standard, sword-and-board class.

Granted, it'd then require a logical degree of shared experience across the role, given both that it used to be only ever skipped and, frankly, most tanks play quite alike anyways. Thus, so long as the devs aren't willing to share any degree exp except among "shared-class" or "branched" jobs (at which point they share it entirely despite the two jobs having very little to do with each other), I'd rather just keep things as they are.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Prior to their last 20 levels or so, I don't think there's enough complexity in jobs of any sort to necessitate a wade-in period.

I'd have preferred if the advanced jobs had base classes just so someone who, say, wants to be a tank specifically of the two-handed-sword variety can use a two-handed sword from the start (e.g. as a Templar), rather than needing to swap from what they may consider an unattractive axe-wielding barbarian or a hackneyed, standard, sword-and-board class.

Granted, it'd then require a logical degree of shared experience across the role, given both that it used to be only ever skipped and, frankly, most tanks play quite alike anyways. Thus, so long as the devs aren't willing to share any degree exp except among "shared-class" or "branched" jobs (at which point they share it entirely despite the two jobs having very little to do with each other), I'd rather just keep things as they are.

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Then if there were choice it wouldn't affect you at all. Case closed for you I suppose.

I would like to reinstall the idea though since everyone seems to focus on the WHOLE idea of players playstyle. This is strictly focusing on the idea of the CHOICE of deciding weather or not to play from 1 or say even 30. If you don't want to...you DON'T have to. I just enjoy the idea of playing the job from much further away from max. And that's the point...choice.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

I would like to reinstall the idea though since everyone seems to focus on the WHOLE idea of players playstyle. This is strictly focusing on the idea of the CHOICE of deciding weather or not to play from 1 or say even 30. If you don't want to...you DON'T have to. I just enjoy the idea of playing the job from much further away from max. And that's the point...choice.

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Is that worth forcing people into a decision at the point of the job's creation, though?

Why not just request the ability to level-sync generally, similarly to if you wanted to sync to a level 1 friend and progress with them, or even just make leveling emulation an optional part of New Game+? Why give players a choice in such a bimodal will-probably-bite-you-later fashion when you have so many more granular and choiceful means of doing what you want?

But... You can already do this.
You can already choose to synch down and run Copperbell, Quarn, etc. until you feel ready to move on.

If anything starting at a higher level helps you move at your own pace. If you feel like you have the earlier stuff down... you're already levelled past it and can move on. If you're confident at level 41 you don't have to run Stone Vigil 5 more times.

I've seen SE implement sillier things than this (no offense...), so they wouldn't have a problem adding a "start from scratch" option for every role, provided enough people asked for it.
Thing is...you are literally the only person I've ever seen requesting something like this TC, so you can practically forget about it, not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Why not just request the ability to level-sync generally, similarly to if you wanted to sync to a level 1 friend and progress with them, or even just make leveling emulation an optional part of New Game+? Why give players a choice in such a bimodal will-probably-bite-you-later fashion when you have so many more granular and choiceful means of doing what you want?

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This sounds like a better way of doing it. Some way to help lower level friends without trivializing what they're doing would be nice to have along with the ability to force a level sync whenever you want to experiment with a class at a certain point in its progression.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

[...] force a level sync whenever you want to experiment with a class at a certain point in its progression.

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That's a good point.
Something like that would be real useful for prepping for old ultimates.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Pros in offering choice to start at level 1 with new jobs:
-Old zones see new life
-New players to the game see the added population to older content.
-Fates, maps, hunts, dungeons all see new players.
-new life to the MB sales for 1-70 gear, items, Grand Company

Cons in offering choice:
-None really as it's completely up to the player to decide.


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You see your pros have a solid failed point.... NO ONE DOES FATES OR OPEN WORLD CONTENT TO LEVEL ANYMORE. Everyone use instance content to level and not even dungeons. They use deep dungeon and HoH which most new players won't know about.
It won't really affect gear sales because you level extremely fast and once you get to 50 you mainly can get away with tome gear, but guess what, gear doesn't matter in deep dungeon.

... I actually exclusively use Fates and dungeons to level.

And I was pretty positive the most popular levelling option was roulettes. You say it's deep dungeons? Really? Can you share your sources / data on that?

You must be new with shadowbringers.

But deep dungeon killed fate parties in ARR when it came out and HoH did the same thing during Stormblood. Not to mention 4.0 made soloing fates even longer to complete.
You may think its popular in Shadowbringers because of two reasons, the gem that are dropped and there are no efficient way for dps to grind exp post level 70.

This conversation has been beating to death because people get burned out on deep dungeon

You can get almost a level in a 10- 15 minutes run
Outside of roulettes, deep dungeon is the most efficient for dps. The only good time to do fates is when you waiting on your dailies.
Unless you have a tank buddy constantly queuing for you, deep dungeon is the best way to go.
Fates give horrid experience when you really look at even with the bonus exp ones.
And a quick Google search of "deep dungeon vs dungeon leveling" give a very good consensus


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Originally Posted by zcrash970

You must be new with shadowbringers.

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No I was new with Stormblood.
I main tanks and healers so dungeon ques are basically instapops for me.
And I level all of the jobs I'm not maining with fates in order to get more bi-color gemstones and unlock all the Fate shops.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Pros in offering choice to start at level 1 with new jobs:
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Pros in offering choice to start at level 1 with new jobs:
-Old zones see new life
-New players to the game see the added population to older content.
-Fates, maps, hunts, dungeons all see new players.
-new life to the MB sales for 1-70 gear, items, Grand Company

Cons in offering choice:
-None really as it's completely up to the player to decide.

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SE already offers the ability to 'relive the glory days of older content'. It's called New Game+. It hasn't hit the ARR story line yet, but they appear to be working on it.

As for dungeons, well, my avatars have been running Sastasha more often then not in the last week. The dungeon system is built so that all players are encouraged to play in old content already.

The major problem with the proposal: In order to accomplish the 'level from 1 to 30/50/60' on the HW/SB/ShB jobs, the entire storyline for those jobs would have to be trashed and rebuilt.

I, for one, had no desire for my level 70 Bard to have to go back, again, to level 1 content to level my level 60 Dancer. And, yes, I have leveled all of the DPS jobs from wherever they start [1/30/50/60] to 80 at this point, so I know how long it takes.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Then if there were choice it wouldn't affect you at all. Case closed for you I suppose.

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It is not "case closed". It takes dev time to code the choice you're asking for. It takes dev time to make sure the choice doesn't create unintended side effects in the state and event flags. It takes dev time to create (1-29)/(1-49)/(1-59) weapons for each of the jobs that don't have weapons below their starting level, even if all they did was recycle existing models. It takes dev time to decide how to reconcile the job quests in some satisfactory way and then implement that decision.

It takes dev time.

I tire of these "if it's optional then it doesn't affect you" posts. Optional things still affect everybody.