Fairy Glamour

Who else wants to turn the fairy back into a carbuncle at the very least?

Eos and Selene are just skin swaps now and all the carbuncle animations are already in-game. Wouldn't take more than a half-hour to assign animations and slap together the command for fairies like the egis right.

Carbys were more a ACN/SMN thing so lore wise it might look a bit silly if SCHs starting running about with them too. Something Feo Ul inspired or Tonberry glams for the fairy, sure I could get on board with that.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Carbys were more a ACN/SMN thing so lore wise it might look a bit silly if SCHs starting running about with them too. Something Feo Ul inspired or Tonberry glams for the fairy, sure I could get on board with that.

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Given carbuncle's more support-oriented nature throughout the series it's a refreshing sight to see them take the offensive route yes, but carbuncles in xiv are basic summons. All the ones we are able to summon are offence oriented, but I do believe Alphinaud's moonstone carbuncle is capable of healing. I know in trusts it just kinda pew-pews and gives damage buffs around, but it's been seen healing in instances prior to ShB. Like in the "roleplay" instanced solo duty when Alphi gets shot down in the burn. Going back to the previous statement, carbuncle is, even in the ACN lore, the most basic summon in the game to perform to do tasks. What stops a carbuncle from being a healing pet? ACN, the basics of summoning, is the root for BOTH SMN and SCH, so it wouldn't be as farfetched as it sounds.

Any sort of fairy glam would be welcome.

Carbuncle's animations don't really fit the fairy skills. Carby's abilities all cause damage, and that's a big reason why he works as an Egi glamour. Lore-wise, Carbuncle is also more specific to ACN and SMN so even if it was a thing; it would just be, weird. For lack of a better term. I think if SCH was to get fairy glamours, a certain aesthetic would need to be maintained. I think true fairy glamours would have to be something similar to Seraph in that Lily would have to take on the appearance of another winged-type familiar.

It could be a dragonette, moogle, pixie, even a magical tome. Lots of possibilities that would be potentially wasted if they just went Carbuncle tbh.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Carbys were more a ACN/SMN thing so lore wise it might look a bit silly if SCHs starting running about with them too. Something Feo Ul inspired or Tonberry glams for the fairy, sure I could get on board with that.

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Sch is still an arcanist

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Carbuncle's animations don't really fit the fairy skills. Carby's abilities all cause damage, and that's a big reason why he works as an Egi glamour. Lore-wise, Carbuncle is also more specific to ACN and SMN so even if it was a thing; it would just be, weird. For lack of a better term. I think if SCH was to get fairy glamours, a certain aesthetic would need to be maintained. I think true fairy glamours would have to be something similar to Seraph in that Lily would have to take on the appearance of another winged-type familiar.

It could be a dragonette, moogle, pixie, even a magical tome. Lots of possibilities that would be potentially wasted if they just went Carbuncle tbh.

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k hang on i wrote it for the other guy, but what are you on about ? O.o
Guys lore wise acn/sch/smn is one thing , the reason they arent one is cause 1 it would be stupid op and 2 job stones.
Smn magic and Sch magic is both arcanima , theyre not different jobs but rather different specializations. Not only that 5.3 dropped the lore bomb that creation magic is arcanima, which means according to ehmet we can do everything imaginable except creating a school. Both sch and smn lore wise could make their pets look like manjimutt if they wanted to at this point.

That's not true at all. Yes, the connection between job lore and what the game designers choose to do with them is basically nonexistent when they feel like it, but if we're going by lore specifically then SMN/SCH pets are completely different. ACN/SMN pets are extensions of the caster's will (using math and geometry for ACN, shaping it based on a primal's aether blueprint for SMN) but Lily, the Scholar fairy, is neither of those things. She's a preexisting Nymian aetherial construct tied to the job stone. She's not a projection that has whatever appearance you concentrate on, she's her own separate being that you're summoning from inside your job crystal, not creating out of your own aether. That's the reasoning given in the past for no fairy glamours.

Now, they can reverse stance on that whenever, but let's not pretend that all three arcanist-based jobs are anything alike in their pet lore.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

That's not true at all. Yes, the connection between job lore and what the game designers choose to do with them is basically nonexistent when they feel like it, but if we're going by lore specifically then SMN/SCH pets are completely different. ACN/SMN pets are extensions of the caster's will (using math and geometry for ACN, shaping it based on a primal's aether blueprint for SMN) but Lily, the Scholar fairy, is neither of those things. She's a preexisting Nymian aetherial construct tied to the job stone. She's not a projection that has whatever appearance you concentrate on, she's her own separate being that you're summoning from inside your job crystal, not creating out of your own aether. That's the reasoning given in the past for no fairy glamours.

Now, they can reverse stance on that whenever, but let's not pretend that all three arcanist-based jobs are anything alike in their pet lore.

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She is a pre existing aetherial construct tied to the job stone, but she is still an aetherial construct. She looks alive and like it has her own will but in reality she doesnt. if you want an example of something alike her on pure arcanima then we got one its the ghosts in the amaurot that ehmet created but more specificly Hythlodaeus.

Even Alphinaud's carbuncle is a damage pet despite him being a Scholar.

I should also mention this for those who want to know a bit more. There is only one method of summoning in the game
From the egi to the primals , in order to summon you need 2 things Aether and information.
The carbuncles get the information from the gems
The egis get it from the pure essence of the primal that you have coloured your aether in
The demis get it from the aether youre transmuting with trance
The fairies like Semir said get it from the job stone (i should recheck this , to confirm it)
The primals get it from the prayers of those who summoned it
And the peak of it is being able to summon merely by thinking what you want to summon


You can summon and do anything you want , anything at all with one exception. that exception being a soul.

The story also says that not a single one of the summons is alive or has a will of its own nor are they revived. all of it is how the information said they would be.

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

k hang on i wrote it for the other guy, but what are you on about ? O.o
Guys lore wise acn/sch/smn is one thing , the reason they arent one is cause 1 it would be stupid op and 2 job stones.
Smn magic and Sch magic is both arcanima , theyre not different jobs but rather different specializations. Not only that 5.3 dropped the lore bomb that creation magic is arcanima, which means according to ehmet we can do everything imaginable except creating a school. Both sch and smn lore wise could make their pets look like manjimutt if they wanted to at this point.

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The way soulstones work is what makes them different jobs, and if you don't want to go there, then the roles they've been assigned does that as well. SCH deviates so far away from ACN, it can hardly be called a specialist of that class at level 80. If my impression is correct, "Arcanima" is a derivative of 'arcana' or 'arcane' which is the catchall term for the magic of this world. However, even if we want to dismiss that and look at SCH and SMN as using restorative and offensive of the same type of magic respectively; the nature surrounding SMN Egis and SCH fairies are different.

Both Lily and Egis are constructs that use the caster's aether to be given form. This is true. The appearance of SMN Egis can be manipulated to whatever the caster wants because while they may carry the essence of Ifirt, Garuda, and Titan; they do not possess any part of their consciousness. They act instinctively, or at the command of the SMN. Lily on the other hand, is sentient. She retains her memories from one summoning to the next, even if it is a different user as is the case with us as she is part of the soulstone that once belonged to Surito. She can act on her own accord as is demonstrated in several of the SCH quests, and can even use gestures as a means to communicate.

Funny and ironic thing about Lily: Because she is this 'otherworldly' being that requires aether to be given a form and sustain it to exist in the physical world, it makes her much closer to being a primal than an Egi. Just on a much smaller scale as she exists within the SCH's soulstone, and can only be called forth by one whom resonates with it. She also is completely dependent on the SCH's aether, and will not be able to sustain her form should the SCH be knocked unconscious, killed, or in the case of Surito; detached.

So lore-wise, there is actually a reason why we cannot manipulate the appearance of Lily other than her color.

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

You can summon and do anything you want , anything at all with one exception. that exception being a soul.

The story also says that not a single one of the summons is alive or has a will of its own nor are they revived. all of it is how the information said they would be.

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Hopefully my last post addresses this as well. Lily in fact, does have a soul of her own.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Hopefully my last post addresses this as well. Lily in fact, does have a soul of her own.

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ill check it out in game my dude, cause if she indeed has a soul thats massive. The aetherial construct however is still the same as if it was an egi carbuncle or primal

The SCH quest line is pretty clear that it's a unique being that's being summoned each time as opposed to, for example, just creating a new distilled essence of a primal like SMN does. It even goes into how Eos and Selene are twin aspects of the same being. I don't recall all the exact details, but each fairy is tied to a specific SCH job stone and the one you obtained is linked to the fairy named Lily. I think there was even a reference to them being creatures that Scholars had learned to bind or control so they're not even something the Scholar really creates like an egi.

Found what i needed Quest unsung heroes its in the journey dialog

According to Surito carito , the gemstone is the crystal core of the statue you defeated and it contains potent white magic. He surmises That lilac , a part of Setotos fathers consciousness , was driven by the strong desire to cure Setoto.


It seems that i am correct, they are not alive they are exactly like the rest. Give me my cookie now :3

Ill write a summary on this :

Firstly like i said and found in the journey The faries indeed dont have a soul , they work like the rest of them
Heres the deal what we use for info is not our fairy , its in fact another scholars fairy, its their will that has been embed on the stone its their construct and more specificly Its Suritos Caritos
all we do is simply provide the aether for the fairy.
I now wish we could have an empty soulstone in order to summon our own fairy :C
For the original question i think the answer is no but i lack info. In the case of carbuncles, egis and demis we can change them cause they are basicly made how we think of them since in the case of egis and demis those who summoned them are long gone , but on the current fairies , like a summoned primal the creator is still alive. The only time something like that happened was with ehmets city but he allowed us to interact with them and even that wasnt akin to this conundrum.


So in conclusion you guys put a nice question and now i need to go search more :p

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

It seems that i am correct, they are not alive they are exactly like the rest. Give me my cookie now :3

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No cookie.

https://i.imgur.com/N4hTFrO.png

If anything, they're more akin to Anima than they are to egi.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

No cookie.

https://i.imgur.com/N4hTFrO.png

If anything, they're more akin to Anima than they are to egi.

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This will take forever. Stay right where you are ill be right back

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

Found what i needed Quest unsung heroes its in the journey dialog

According to Surito carito , the gemstone is the crystal core of the statue you defeated and it contains potent white magic. He surmises That lilac , a part of Setotos fathers consciousness , was driven by the strong desire to cure Setoto.


It seems that i am correct, they are not alive they are exactly like the rest. Give me my cookie now :3

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I believe the gemstone you're referring to is indeed a crystal core found within a statue embedded with white magic; that is not the soulstone you carry that once belonged to Surito. Your soulstone is not recovered from a statue, but from stolen artifacts purchased by Alka Zolka (the marauder that serves as your quest NPC) long before even meeting Surito.

Going back through my journal, Alka concludes the 'otherworldly being' that you can call forth at will has actually been in slumber for 1500 summers, and you are tasked with taking her to several locations to essentially help wake her up as the locations should stir her memory. After this is done and as a result of these interactions around La Noscea, Alka is later able to conclude (not surmise mind you) that for some reason he cannot explain, your faerie indeed has its owns thoughts, feelings, and memories.

In the next quest Lily, on her own accord, actually stops Alka from delivering the killing blow to a Tonberry that has appeared. It is at this point that Alka is aware that even though your Faerie is a sentient being of her own volition, she still obeys the commands of her summoner and bids we become more practiced in doing so. However, it isn't until the end of this questline when the same tonberry appears in the Wanderer's Palace that Alka realizes that this tonberry that Lily keeps stopping him from killing is Surito Carito; Lily's former master. Recognized by her despite his altered appearance.

I honestly don't know how much more you need than that to know that Lily is as to an Egi, as night is to day. She is quite possibly even more alive than the SCH she belongs to.

Well shit
There is nothing else in the Sch questline, there is one more thing alka zolka says during the third ? sch quest of he concludes all the fairies are individuals but thats basicly what he says on what mhaeric linked
What i linked was told by Surito so ehhhhh?

Idk maybe the intent was to have you summon otherworldy creatures but Surito proves my point. Soooo i guess unless i find something somewhere else or if SE ties the loose ends of scholar you can choose whichever?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I believe the gemstone you're referring to is indeed a crystal core found within a statue embedded with white magic; that is not the soulstone you carry that once belonged to Surito. Your soulstone is not recovered from a statue, but from stolen artifacts purchased by Alka Zolka (the marauder that serves as your quest NPC) long before even meeting Surito.

Going back through my journal, Alka concludes the 'otherworldly being' that you can call forth at will has actually been in slumber for 1500 summers, and you are tasked with taking her to several locations to essentially help wake her up as the locations should stir her memory. After this is done and as a result of these interactions around La Noscea, Alka is later able to conclude (not surmise mind you) that for some reason he cannot explain, your faerie indeed has its owns thoughts, feelings, and memories.

In the next quest Lily, on her own accord, actually stops Alka from delivering the killing blow to a Tonberry that has appeared. It is at this point that Alka is aware that even though your Faerie is a sentient being of her own volition, she still obeys the commands of her summoner and bids we become more practiced in doing so. However, it isn't until the end of this questline when the same tonberry appears in the Wanderer's Palace that Alka realizes that this tonberry that Lily keeps stopping him from killing is Surito Carito; Lily's former master. Recognized by her despite his altered appearance.

I honestly don't know how much more you need than that to know that Lily is as to an Egi, as night is to day. She is quite possibly even more alive than the SCH she belongs to.

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im not saying the gem is the soulstone , i just didnt want to put the thing mentioned without context. The soulstone mentioned is what we found in a chest with her father clothes and grimoire where setoto tries to summon it but performs a partial summon so she spends all her aether and falls down. Its a soul crystal of another scholar that scholar being setotos father, If the fairy in there is part of setotos fathers consciousness , why would ours be different. That was my point


I keeps searching cause what alka says contradicts Setotos words .

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

Well shit
There is nothing else in the Sch questline, there is one more thing alka zolka says during the third ? sch quest of he concludes all the fairies are individuals but thats basicly what he says on what mhaeric linked
What i linked was told by Surito so ehhhhh?

Idk maybe the intent was to have you summon otherworldy creatures but Surito proves my point. Soooo i guess unless i find something somewhere else or if SE ties the loose ends of scholar you can choose whichever?

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No. It's canon that Lily is her own entity that resides within the soulstone we carry. She is given form using our own aether which is similar to Egis, but Egis are not an entity. They are simply the essence of a primal given form and wielded like a weapon by the SMN. You can interpret this differently, but you would be doing it incorrectly.

If it helps, the fairies do gain the memories and knowledge of all the past owners presumably because they're part of the soul stone and the fairies are so intimately linked with it. This is likely what Alka was referring to when mentioning that Lilac's partially formed summon was part of her previous owner's concioussness. His conciousness is imprinted on Lilac's soul stone and so Lilac has those same memories and knowledge. The same is happening with us and Lily as our souls become imprinted on our soul stone.

Found it , it seems im wrong what the journal says is not nearly as close as what Setoto says in his dialog. He basicly says that it was just a mass of aether but it still had aether from setotos father so maybe his will was strong that it led us there. I could make an arguement hey we know more and thats why journal is like that but no thats way unlikely.

So what exactly is the creature that summons fairy O.o
And i dont mean the soulstone

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

Found it , it seems im wrong what the journal says is not nearly as close as what Setoto says in his dialog. He basicly says that it was just a mass of aether but it still had aether from setotos father so maybe his will was strong that it led us there. I could make an arguement hey we know more and thats why journal is like that but no thats way unlikely.

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It's possible. In this particular portion of the questline, Alka is so relieved that Setoto is back on her feet, that he doesn't really pay a whole lot of mind to the why and how surrounding the behavior of Lilac. Not everything is understood about Nymians and the faeries that accompany the SCH soulstones, but it should at least be clear that they have a conscience.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

It's possible. In this particular portion of the questline, Alka is so relieved that Setoto is back on her feet, that he doesn't really pay a whole lot of mind to the why and how surrounding the behavior of Lilac. Not everything is understood about Nymians and the faeries that accompany the SCH soulstones, but it should at least be clear that they have a conscience.

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from what i understand its soul crystal has a fairy bound to it, and you just create a vessel for it to occupy. The vessels are arcanima though ,so i assume the fairy gives you the info since its linked to you.
I Do wonder what manner of creature the fairies are, They dont seem like elementals and most certaintly arent voidspawns

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

from what i understand its soul crystal has a fairy bound to it, and you just create a vessel for it to occupy. The vessels are arcanima though ,so i assume the fairy gives you the info since its linked to you.
I Do wonder what manner of creature the fairies are, They dont seem like elementals and most certaintly arent voidspawns

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It was first believed that they are bound to the soulstone, and they are in the sense that they cannot occupy another soulstone. However, with Lilac and Setoto's father, we discover that they are bound to the SCH as well, taking in the will of the SCH as their own. We also see this with Lily as she is no longer Surito's. She belongs to the WoL now

There is as much mystery with the faeries as there are with soulstones. We know how some things work but the nuts and bolts that make things turn is still to be discovered. The SCH soulstone provides the SCH access to ancient arcanima knowledge used by the Nymians (the adlos, succors, sacred soils etc.), but also the ability to call forth a familiar in the form of a faerie. It is interesting that you mention voidspawns because the Faeries are particularly adept at sensing and picking up traces of the voidsent. The Nymians, the faeries, Mhach; they are all linked. Perhaps in future questlines, they will explore this more.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

So lore-wise, there is actually a reason why we cannot manipulate the appearance of Lily other than her color.

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Is there any reason why Lily can't manipulate her own appearance?
Functionally we'd be applying the glamour, but lore-wise it can be explained as Lily evolving and choosing her own appearance.

I'd like a moogle form. Even if it's a sort of glowy aetherial faerie texture.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Is there any reason why Lily can't manipulate her own appearance?
Functionally we'd be applying the glamour, but lore-wise it can be explained as Lily evolving and choosing her own appearance.

I'd like a moogle form. Even if it's a sort of glowy aetherial faerie texture.

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For that, I would like the lore to get more into Seraph. In ARR, they went more in depth with our abilities, and they have really fallen off with that with each expansion much to my chagrin. In short, we don't know if Lily can't manipulate her appearance. She very well can, and she just needs to learn it. Because of that they would be able to introduce fairy glamour in very much the same way they did with the egis, and we learn how to do it as a result of becoming more acquainted with our soulstone. Though I think the way they would do is through Lily accessing more of her memories.

I am really hoping that they do something with this sometime in the very near future. I think it would be neat that as SCH, Feo Ul would want to meet Lily and that starts the questline to make things happen. Not saying that pixies would be the glamour, but through them, they could shape things in a way that Lily accesses more of her memories.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Even Alphinaud's carbuncle is a damage pet despite him being a Scholar.

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Technically he's not a scholar, he's an Academician.

Honestly I think I'd rather have his job these days over current Scholar, wonder if I could convince him to teach me.

I mean the obvious glam and I WANT THEM is black and white carbuncles like Alphie's. As the only other scholar in the game, why should he get carbuncles for healing and not us? As a warrior of light I demand black and white carbuncles. It's been 10 years of playing this game for me. GIVE ME GLAMS FOR SCHOLAR already!:mad:

Im just wondering what is Seraph? Are we creating Seraph like an egi or Carbuncle? Does Seraph have a soul and conciousness like Lily and also reside in our Soul Stone? Is Seraph simply Lily but at a greater cost to our aether and that's why the summon is temporary? So many questions left to be answered.

Shhhh. Don't point at the plot holes. :rolleyes:

The giant plot hole does make it seem like Scholar could have access to other companions in the future. If Seraph exists just to exist and needs no explantion they could easily give us a Porxie from the First, Imp from the world of Darkness, or both of Alphinuad's precious Carbuncles. Clearly lore isn't stopping them from doing anything as so many other classes have shown.

Gimme a Bravely Default crossover event and let me glam my fairy into Airy.

Ah the poor excuse of the lore. I remember hearing the same when the Reaper job was suggested. That a death-themed job would never be a thing "it goes against the lore", that there was the botanist already.

I hear it again when the Necromancer job is brought to a conversation.

This is the same.

The lore will be whatever the developers want it to be. No excuses are valid here. So saying that Selene/Eos can't be glamoured because of the lore is simply a dumb and very poor excuse.

If enough players ask for it, it will be aded.

Developers can modify the lore however they want to suit whatever they want to do.

This game is no different. So get used to the idea. If it's not a thing already is because not enough people asked for it yet. Simple as that.

Anything else you say here is simply... useless.

I love how we are discussing like SCH even has lore since the great healer lobotomisation of 5.0 then the subsequent retconning of ACN’s lore with the SMN changes

SCH’s lore can be whatever it wants to be because SCH doesn’t have any lore anymore

Personally if we're entertaining whims I'd have selene andeos glamor into little moogles. That'd be cute.

I do miss the days where there was lore tied to our abilities and jobs, but that made it difficult for them to change abilities and potencies to match the latest flavors. I think from now on there will just be some general story quests with the jobs and one set of quests per role so they can tinker with abilities and jobs without having to worry about lore impact.