reduce elusive jump timer to 30 seconds

I don't play drg often so i may be in the wrong here, but I think the timer should be reduce drastically to compensate for close range combat damage DD take. A change like this may go a long way at balancing melee with ranged DD.

And the other melee DD will get????????

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Originally Posted by Bustercucumbers

And the other melee DD will get????????

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i dont know, think of something and make a thread...

monks should be able to evade, war have tons of HP, and archers are ranged

It's part of your argument in your OP... Balancing melee with ranged.

Should come up with something better than telling others to make threads. Right now it looks like you're biased to one job.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i dont know, think of something and make a thread...

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NO!

We don't need a new thread for every single idea that people think of. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

NO!

We don't need a new thread for every single idea that people think of. :rolleyes:

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your right, we should have more threads on getting rid of anima gear swapping mages should be the only ones that teleport level sync LS tools ect

an evasion move with a 3 min timer is just stupid imo.

I agree with the OP. The recast on this ability should be 30 seconds. It's basically Disengage in WoW.

i'd love to backflip more.. or maybe like super jump. i dunno just like jumping.
favorite thing to do is JUMP... Invigorate... combo up to that one ground jumpy thing, keen flurry and do it again. then dragon fire dive and backflip out of the fire. oh man.

As a Dragoon, I support this. Though I would say this thread should be in the lancer/dragoon catagory so we don't have to suffer posts about other jobs. /slaps War!

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Originally Posted by Zahak

As a Dragoon, I support this. Though I would say this thread should be in the lancer/dragoon catagory so we don't have to suffer posts about other jobs. /slaps War!

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yea, im not a proper poster, ive resorted to posting pretty much everything in general. Sometime the mods will move them for me.

I agree that the CD on elusive jump is bonkers. I think it should be lowered to about 60-90s though since iirc it also lowers overall enmity right? I don't think anyone's got reducing enmity ability they can pop every 30s so that might be a bit much. Drg doesn't seem to be getting as much play as the other classes with this new content though, so giving them a 30s CD could really make it more appealing.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

your right, we should have more threads on getting rid of anima gear swapping mages should be the only ones that teleport level sync LS tools ect

an evasion move with a 3 min timer is just stupid imo.

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Or you could just post in the suggestions sub-forum, since you're, ya know...suggesting something.

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Originally Posted by Bustercucumbers

And the other melee DD will get????????

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Give Monks a teleport effect like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmux5xw9MbQ or like Akuma's teleport effect.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

yea, im not a proper poster, ive resorted to posting pretty much everything in general. Sometime the mods will move them for me.

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or gld stuff in the lnc/drg forums =P

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Originally Posted by Exni

I agree that the CD on elusive jump is bonkers. I think it should be lowered to about 60-90s though since iirc it also lowers overall enmity right? I don't think anyone's got reducing enmity ability they can pop every 30s so that might be a bit much. Drg doesn't seem to be getting as much play as the other classes with this new content though, so giving them a 30s CD could really make it more appealing.

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i would just lower the amount of enmity it reduces by 80% or so

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Or you could just post in the suggestions sub-forum, since you're, ya know...suggesting something.

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if the real forum police, you know the ones who get paid, have a problem with it they can move it.

General Discussion can be anything.. IMO no point to move.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Or you could just post in the suggestions sub-forum, since you're, ya know...suggesting something.

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Yeah... and you forgot that like 90% of posters only know one section called General Discussion because don't bother going checking anything else.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

General Discussion can be anything.. IMO no point to move.

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Except this isn't a general topic, it's specific.

/semantics!

if it were just a jump back, 60 seconds would put it in line with shoulder tackle and featherfoot. any lower is just stupid. and the fact that it's also an enmity dump complicates matters. chameleon is a 3min cd. and doesn't drg af boots cut a minute off the recast anyway? so you want an evasive maneuver on a lower cooldown than anything other melee get *while also working as an aggro dump*... and you have the nerve to talk about balance? ffs.

besides, jobs are already extremely balanced. not the devs fault players haven't figured this out yet

Really, though, this suggestion has the same problem as almost every one on these forums: You're offering a solution while barely (if at all) giving attention to the problem you're trying to remedy.

The issue here isn't that elusive jump has too long of a recast time, because anything you should be able to avoid using this ability, should also be able to evade by just running away. Your melee range is long, you don't have to be right up on the mob, and that alone gets you out of range of some AoEs.

The issue that it seems you are trying to suggest is that there is an imbalance between the risks of melee dps vs ranged, without the rewards. This problem has been brought up countless times and didn't require a new thread.

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Originally Posted by fusional

if it were just a jump back, 60 seconds would put it in line with shoulder tackle and featherfoot. any lower is just stupid. and the fact that it's also an enmity dump complicates matters. chameleon is a 3min cd. and doesn't drg af boots cut a minute off the recast anyway? so you want an evasive maneuver on a lower cooldown than anything other melee get *while also working as an aggro dump*... and you have the nerve to talk about balance? ffs.

besides, jobs are already extremely balanced. not the devs fault players haven't figured this out yet

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just reduce the amount of enmity dropped as i stated before. Being able to jump back seems like a waste of a long awaited job skill with a 3 min recast. Like i said i dont even really play the class, it just seems off to me.

Why offer an opinion on a class/job you don't really play? The skill isn't about moving as much as it is about reducing enmity. It's perfect for boss fights and that's it. I think the timer is perfect and you already get a reduced timer with AF gear.

I WOULD like to see more movement skills for combat like a dodging ability. You know, to avoid moves quickly instead of running. But that's a whole mother topic...

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Originally Posted by Relic

Give Monks a teleport effect like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmux5xw9MbQ or like Akuma's teleport effect.

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If mnk should get any of Akumas moves it should be this one

Warrior just needs a epic DIVE ROLL! to the backside of a monster to avoid them frontal AOEs!

That or just give us some epic hiding skills to ditch the mob "Imagine the guy as a angry mob looking for someone to kill.
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2...akesnakep1.gif

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

reduce elusive jump timer to 30 seconds

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mnk should get their dash skill cooldown reduced too then. A DRG/LNC can hit a mob from a huge range, a MNK/PGL can't.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Or you could just post in the suggestions sub-forum, since you're, ya know...suggesting something.

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That sections is the "Website Feedback & Suggestions"

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This forum is dedicated to feedback and suggestions related to the FINAL FANTASY XIV official forums, The Lodestone and other official websites concerning FINAL FANTASY XIV.
If you wish to submit feedback or make suggestions about the game, please make a post in the appropriate forum.

Threads that contain feedback or suggestions about the game will be moved to the appropriate area.
Thank you for your understanding.

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People never read those.

It's not even working as an evasive move. You don't register as having moved until after you've landed, so using it as an evasive ability goes out the window. As it stands now, Elusive Jump is just an enmity drop with a fancy animation. For that purpose, the recast is perfectly acceptable.

Now, if they can truly make it an evasive skill (which I doubt they can until 2.0) then I wouldn't be against them lowering the amount of enmity dropped as well as the recast.

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Or you could just post in the suggestions sub-forum, since you're, ya know...suggesting something.

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I just thought I'd point out that, that is the WRONG place for it to be since that is website feedback and suggestions.

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This forum is dedicated to feedback and suggestions related to the FINAL FANTASY XIV official forums, The Lodestone and other official websites concerning FINAL FANTASY XIV.
If you wish to submit feedback or make suggestions about the game, please make a post in the appropriate forum.

Threads that contain feedback or suggestions about the game will be moved to the appropriate area.
Thank you for your understanding.

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But moving onto the OP. I think 30 seconds is a bit too quick with the emnity down, but 60-90 seconds to match chameleon would be good.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

I just thought I'd point out that, that is the WRONG place for it to be since that is website feedback and suggestions.



But moving onto the OP. I think 30 seconds is a bit too quick with the emnity down, but 60-90 seconds to match chameleon would be good.

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Chameleon is 180 seconds. 120 seconds on ARC/BRD.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Chameleon is 180 seconds. 120 seconds on ARC/BRD.

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shorten to 120 second then to match, since its supposed to be the equivilent but fancy looking.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

shorten to 120 second then to match, since its supposed to be the equivilent but fancy looking.

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It is 180s across other classes. The 120s is for ARC/BRD, who has no other skill to use alongside it. DRG has Chameleon as well alongside Elusive Jump. The best enmity down skill in the game from what I can tell is Freeze on BLM, every 120s alongside them being able to use Chameleon. Let's be honest though, they need it lol.

Let's just call this thread what it really is:

DRG looks f*$#in awesome when it jumps back... Let us do it moar!

I disagree, Elusive Jump is simply your "Ohh crap!" button, getting you out of trouble if you do not watch yourself. Making it 30 seconds will let the Dragoon go all out without the worry of hate.