I'm not too mad about the most recent ones added thanks to the EX but looking at all of them now... I'm getting tired of how it seems like every single model needs an extra pipe, a 2nd blade, a flashlight, extendable, rotates, spiky, just.... stop....
IMO, to make a gunblade, you only need a minimum of the following things.
A blade... no kidding.
A gun looking mechanism
Some form of revolving chamber or "cylinder" (and considering Titania's weapon actually looks nice without one, I would even say this is optional)
A trigger
Hand Guard, which... Again, optional but it does help differentiate.
A hammer, ya know that thing the /vpose supposedly yanks back to "fire".
Some of those I can see as optional easily but when I look at some of the designs.... it seems like they make a model then go "too boring, plop an extendo pipe on top of it or a tube here".
Just a couple of examples... The Ruby gunblade has an unnecessary flashlight looking piece on it with a jagged blade... Jagged blade part is "okay" but still, why? The flashlight part, I feel like they could've just easily made the ruby be on both sides of the hilt instead. It just makes it super chunky looking underneath because of this.
Our most recent raid tier gunblade basically looks like a broadsword with it being so wide and square looking.
Hades EX gunblade also just looks... idk, why is it so thick? Fine its crystal, fine its purple, fine the curves to represent Zodiark I guess but it looks so.... blunted (like the sound effects frankly).
Shinryu's gunblade.... I'm not sure where to begin on this one. Jagged teeth curving weirdly with a REALLY weird tip at the end of it... the cylinder is sideways (which arguably is neat but good god the blade ruins this).
A lot of models add some weird ball to the butt of the grip, a pipe on top of the blade, becomes extendable, folding, or just some weird "add-on" as if its not special enough being a part gun part blade hybrid...Imo, they don't need all these gizmos like machinist weapons or for it to look blunt like its a hammer... If I had my choice, I'd say Titania's and one of the early stormblood model gunblades are perfect examples of how to make a decent looking gunblade without overdoing it. Titania's is perfect as it provides the list above and maintains looking unique/separate from other blades, while also providing Titania's flair to it. The stormblood model (I can't think of the name of it) has a large cylinder, straight blade with a sharp curved tip, it's perfect in size and still gives off the hint of being eastern-like.
On that note... So help me god if they don't give us Lionheart for our shadowbringers relic and instead give us some curved nonsense I am going to riot....
TL;DR: There's nothing wrong with simplicity in design.
Gunblade models don't need to be so extra...
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08-20-2020, 03:46 PMValicGunblade models don't need to be so extra...
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08-20-2020, 06:35 PMJandor
I'm the same with most weapons, I like my weapons to look functional. The only jobs where I might go in for a bit of ostentatiousness and glow are the casters.
While we are a bit limited there are still some nice simple designs for gunblades. I like the starter blade High Steel Gunblade, the level 62 weapon High Steel Bayonet is also nice, and as a bonus also has the trigger in a sensible location.
For stuff that's a bit fancier but still IMHO relatively simple looking, there is the Yaita Kai at 70, the Deepgold Gunblade, also at 70, and the Crystarium Manatrigger at 80.
The Manatrigger is what I currently use and is my absolute favourite. The gun mechanism is relatively simple looking (no barrel or anything,) and the whole thing is huge compared to most gunblades, feels more like a musket-greatsword than a gunblade.
Very 'savage' in feel, low-tech compared to its peers but makes up the difference by going all in on size. Such a straightforward solution seems fitting for Eorzea's champion. ;) -
08-20-2020, 07:11 PMKurokaThats actually the one i prefer atm xDQuote:
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But you got a point... considering you could basically mesh pala/dk/nin blades with a mch gun and make gnb models its even more frustrating that we didnt get any for the new crafted primal weapons... they dont need to be super complicated, just differences in colors/elements would've been already great... -
08-20-2020, 10:44 PMQuorI dig the Crownsblade personally. The scale of the weapon shifts based on your character size, so on my max-height FemRoe, the chambers in the revolver look like they hold 40mm grenades.Quote:
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08-21-2020, 12:36 AMValicTbh I think we will get crafted variants like how the Shinryu one was delayed.Quote:
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Crownsblade is a gunblade done right for the most part. It's still a bit too broad but honestly, it fits the criteria.The handle doesn't have some oblong shape and resembles the Lionheart handle pretty well which gives me hope. The chamber looks fine and there's even what looks like an exhaust chamber. While it wasn't needed, it looks nice in positioning and doesn't detract from the main features of the gunblade. Arguably it helps with its shape and curvature so that the hilt feels hefty and sturdy while the blade looks sleek. -
08-21-2020, 03:41 AMLyth
Right now, you have a short sword dps, a thin sword dps, a standard sword tank, a biggest sword tank, and a curved big sword dps. When you add a gun-sword tank to the mix and are expected to design weapons that are thematically part of the same set yet visually distinct, I'm afraid that subtlety has to go out the window. Look! This is indeed a GNB sword and not the PLD (vanilla), RDM (thin), DRK (big), SAM (curve) or NIN (smol) version. It has lots of technology! It is very very gun! (but not too gun, because that would be MCH)
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08-21-2020, 03:44 AMBarachimLove that one. It basically looks like a Gunblade made in the XV style. I wish we had more weapons like that for all the other Jobs.Quote:
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08-21-2020, 05:39 AMValicI feel like the issue is looking at them as a whole instead of as the job itself. We have a broad gunblade that looks like it could be a DRK weapon though... Katanas, great swords, short swords, rapiers, and daggers all have distinct enough features by themselves as is.... Noneof them share the common trope of having a gun mechanism to it. Then of course MCH is just straight up a gun.... aside from the 2 models that are literally gunblades obtained from Stone Vigil and pvp.... Really it shouldn't matter if it has a similar look blade-wise since the appeal is in that it isn't just a blade. The whole package from the trigger to the tip of the sword is the seller. Idk... they should consider stopping while they're ahead once they have the basics of the designs worked out instead of adding more parts imo.Quote:
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08-21-2020, 08:03 AMLyth
I don't think that overlap in styles is a problem (we do have the Odenta on DRK, which is functionally a giant SAM weapon, and let's not forget PLD's Zantetsuken), but there is some need to make the weapons from the same instance or set look distinct. That's where the problem lies. As an example, if you were designing an ice-themed Gunblade, do you just copy over the PLD weapon and add a trigger to it? It's a bit harder to make visually distinct than say for DRK, where you can just take the PLD weapon and double its size.
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08-21-2020, 08:24 AMJirah
Speak for yourself majority of them are plainly swords, Crystarium, Neo ishgard, Shadow, Eden4, even the freaking Ultimate Anarchy is a freaking sword.
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08-21-2020, 03:02 PMValicThose are for the most part done right. Neo Ishgard is a reused model like 4 times over though. Crystarium's is fine, Eden 4's is the double blade, idk what shadow one you're talking about and ultimate Anarchy is just neo ishgard, again reused model.... It's not bad for it to be a blade, it's only bad when there's no gun in it or they overdo it. Really makes me think they don't know how to go about making gunblades tbh.Quote:
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Tbh I had this question for what they would do for RDM's weapon and well... you can see. I think say a shiva weapon could easily be done in such a way similar to the crystalline manatrigger we have around level 74 but smoother and less jagged. Just darken the upper portion that would be "metal" and make the blade portion more icy/translucent looking. Idk, to me it would seem awesome to be the designer for these weps considering you just draw a gun portion then add a nice smooth blade to it.Quote:
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08-21-2020, 03:08 PMJoven
To be fair, you are talking about a franchise where fashion consists of excessive amounts of belts/buckles and zippers.
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08-21-2020, 03:15 PMDuskane
pretty much all the weapons in ff14 are very extra ,alot of the simple weapons are my fave like Murglies or Gordion Katana
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08-21-2020, 06:34 PMAbsurdityProbably the best axe they ever made. It makes no sense and I love it.Quote:
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08-25-2020, 06:02 PMSoge01
I have the same problem with a good number of Dark Knight's greatswords. I wish we had more normal looking weapons for them instead of them having all this weird crap tacked onto them. :/
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08-27-2020, 03:52 AMInfiniDragon
Preach, OP. I strongly considered making this thread myself.
Yoshida and his team went out of their way to troll Garlean gunblades as "not real gunblades" because they like the FFVIII-style, only to make almost all of their models have the trigger in the wrong place (or none at all), a stumpy blade that looks like a bayonet and not a goddamn sword, or some galaxy brain design that doesn't look like anything like a bladed weapon.
I'd rather have Garlean gunblades over any of those (the High Steel Gunblade basically is one and looks amazing), why can't they just make no-nonsense gunblades with a longsword or saber length blade and throw a revolver handle and chamber on it. It's not hard.
EDIT: Oh, and no more 8 miles of handle before you get to the blade either, more sword blade than handle. Again, it's not a bayonet. -
08-27-2020, 08:58 AMValicLore wise they don't fire actual projectiles making them different than garlean gunblades but go figure.... almost all of them have some weird "pipe" on them for this exact purpose. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind us having that style in the pool of models but ffs when it's 90% of them....Quote:
Originally Posted by InfiniDragon
I'm also not a huge fan of the ak-47 style lil ammunition holders attached either.... Again,Titania's was a great concept for a proper gunblade, just enough of everything and not needlessly overdone. The Feast gunblade they revealed isn't too bad but again with the ak-47 "ammunition".
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...931&height=672
It's not "bad" per say but it feels unnecessary and as if they could've just designed the handle/guard better. This one at least checks out on the basic requirements..... a cylinder, an interesting blade concept that isn't oddly simple shaped, a handle that's curved proper to that of a gun, a hand guard that's actually not too bad, a hammer like a normal gun would have.... It's literally the AK-47 resemblance in it that I have to go "you could've just stopped with what you had, or just connected the guard to the handle...." -
08-27-2020, 09:20 AMInfiniDragonYeah, as I mentioned Bozjan gunblades are FFVIII style, the rounds vibrate the blade to increase cutting. But yeah a bunch of the Garlean models look more like Squall's gunblade than the ones most of the GNB models are haha.Quote:
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08-27-2020, 09:41 AMValicThat and they crammed the lil keychain up into the handle. Also "the rounds vibrate to increase cutting" I don't remember that but I love it and now that makes me hate our sound effects currently even more considering we had SFX more fitting to that concept lol.Quote:
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08-27-2020, 06:23 PMJandor
XIV Gunbreaker weapons are described as emitting a range of magical effects by utilizing aetherically imbued cartridges. The vibrate the blade thing is from VIII, ours are of course clearly inspired by those, but "the rounds vibrate the blade to increase cutting" is never actually mentioned in XIV AFAIK.
I'm being a bit nit-picky I suppose, mainly because I really like the concept of a sword that you load up with spells like it's some kind of extremely stabby vancian magic wand, but think the whole explosions vibrate the blade idea is kind of silly tbh. -
09-04-2020, 04:18 AMMorionQ
I always the the vibration was supposed to act as a stunning effect upon impact, allowing you to get a meatier hit that just with a sword. Though, that makes it more of a bashing weapon, hmm.
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09-05-2020, 02:53 AMValic
The way I picture it, is akin to this video but with a bit more "blast" to it.
https://youtu.be/VFBAcz16GvU?t=130
Rather than anything escaping or shooting out, it's just being compound into an explosion right there on that section of the blade. I also imagine there's some momentum physics that would go into it, if you got it to blow back, you''d likely swing it in such a way that you could use the recoil as a heavier strike. Off topic tho.... Our next step in the shadowbringers relics look promising at least glow-wise.... It's showing good signs of us getting the "good" Lionheart. -
09-05-2020, 03:53 AMItMe
OP I feel the same way about SMN/SCH books.
Simplicity is good, but I'm not gonna hold my breath for it in a JRPG. -
09-05-2020, 04:24 AMTouchandFeelQuote:
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The idea of a gunblade's cartridge exploding and creating vibrations in the blade that increase it's cutting power is based off the idea of the vibroblade, a type of weapon commonly found in science fiction, although real world adaptions of the concept have been developed for use in scientific and medical applications.
A vibroblade is basically a bladed weapon, usually being a knife or sword, on which the blade is vibrated at an extremely high frequency.
The science behind how it works is that the high frequency vibrations of the blade cause the blade to move back and forth in incredibly fast but microscopic movements, creating a concentrated sawing motion with the blade. Since the edges of blades are more effective at cutting when drawn across what is being cut as opposed simply being pushed against it, the vibrating of the blade and the accompanying sawing motion that it creates increases the cutting force of the blade.
Now realistically, the explosion from a bullet cartridge is nowhere near enough to cause vibrations in a large metal blade in the way a vibroblade works since the vibrational frequency would be much lower and the energy would dissipate into whatever was being cut very quickly since the vibrational force occurs in only a short burst instead of being sustained. However, while the vibrations in the blade would be much lower in frequency and energy compared to a vibroblade, the additional movement of the blade from the vibrations during cutting would likely result in the cut not being as precise and clean, leaving a not as deep but more ragged wound which could end up being more deadly.
As for recoil on a gunblade similar to a regular gun, there probably would not be any or if there was it would likely be greatly diminished.
Recoil when shooting a gun is basically Newton's Third Law of Motion (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction) playing out.
When a bullet is fired from a gun, the force of the bullet cartridge explosion propels the two parts of the bullet cartridge, the casing and the bullet itself, apart in opposite directions. The bullet is expelled from the gun at high velocity, while the force applied to the casing which is still within the gun is transferred to the gun itself and this is what recoil is.
In the case of a gunblade, the force of the bullet is transferred back into the gunblade as it strikes the blade to cause the vibrations and so you end up with opposite forces pushing on the gunblade in opposite directions which would likely nullify each other out. There could potentially be a slight jerk in the gunblade as the cartridge would likely start to exert the backwards force on the gunblade immediately while there would be an almost imperceptible delay before the bullet strikes the blade and exerts a forward force on it, counteracting the backwards force already applied. -
09-05-2020, 11:39 AMValic
LOL none of this matters cuz they don't mention in FFIV's lore they do the vibrating thing anyways lmao. Anybutt....
https://i.imgur.com/CaYGnfX.mp4
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09-05-2020, 02:52 PMTouchandFeelUm ... okay. I never said I was speaking specifically about FFXIV gunblades. You and others were discussing Garlean gunblades versus Bozjan (FFXIV) gunblades versus FFVIII gunblades for almost a whole page.Quote:
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09-06-2020, 02:46 AMValicI know, I'm just repeating thread derailed lol.Quote:
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09-07-2020, 03:11 PMHank_Hotspur
I like most of the gunblade models currently in the game. I know a lot of people think they look too small, but I think they really give off the feel of a powerful weapon you can easily carry into any situation, a sort of "fantasy tactical" look. I am happy that they've drawn from firearms from all eras to design the "gun" parts, allowing to look as modern or as historical as you want from revolvers, flintlocks, and the more archaic horizontal revolving mechanism the shinryu gunblade has.
I think the one I like the least right now is the gunblade of light. I like the idea behind it, but I find the second blade to be awkwardly spaced too far from the first, making it look like a bayonet for a weapon that already is a blade. That said, I'm not against experimenting with new designs, as we've seen in this thread that opinions as to what constitute a good looking gunblade are varied.
I would like to see the big gunblade from the original concept art for the job from the artbook make it into the game at some point though
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09-08-2020, 03:48 AMValic
THANK YOU, SOMEONE FEELS HOW I DO ABOUT THE GUNBLADE OF LIGHT TOO LOL.
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09-11-2020, 10:50 AMMorionQAh, thank you. I was not aware of this trope and this was explained very well!Quote:
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Honestly, I feel like the entire concept of Gunblades is intentionally extra AF in design. From the past characters who have used them to the basic concept itself, it’s cool factor with layers of anime-protag cheese. It’s dumb, but fun.
I’m partial to the choice to repeat FFVIII’s version of Gunblades, but I do like the heavier, machine gun style from the above concept art. While it reminds me a bit of those chainsaw guns from the Gears of War series, that bulkier weapon looks more tank-like. -
09-11-2020, 11:37 AMAlpheus
I did enjoy the Tidal Heart (Levi) and Diamond Heart and Flame Heart (Phoenix) Inferno (Seifer weapon based on Ifrit) weapons in FFRK, basically had GF motifs. Obviously the Heart weapons share the hilt of the Lion Heart but it was neat to see these elemental versions. But i wouldn't mind to see the FFXIV design team take a similar approach to primal weapons, take a existing hilt (if it saves them time) that looks appropriate and then incorporate the primal's design into the blade in a way that's fitting. then again FFRK does have a Squall weapon that basically took a revolver hilt and attached a Lightning (FFXIII protag) type of blade onto it which looks all manner of clownshoes.
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09-11-2020, 04:01 PMValicIs that an actual game? o.o like, official released by SE? Also big same, I feel like all those variants (minus the straight lionheart rip) are just perfect concepts of how gunblades should look.Quote:
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09-12-2020, 06:55 AMAlpheusYea its a FF mobile game produced by DeNA, its been around for like 5 years going on its 6th anniversary in JP with the Global client being 6 months behind. As with most gacha games the prices are pretty ridiculous but it's generous than most others I've played and there aren't any intrusive "Buy this bundle NOW!" kinda thing nor any advertisements. They have quarterly festivals where they give out tons of stuff which will happen later this month and alongside it players are anticipating a XIV event as well which will include the debut of Alisae.Quote:
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09-23-2020, 07:17 AMInfiniDragonUm yeah, every single one of those makes XIV's primal gunblades look godawful.Quote:
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Again, I don't get how Yoshi's team has so much trouble with a simple concept and keeps making rifles with bayonets on them instead of gunblades.