Duty Roulette dungeons need some dev love

Here's what you currently are selecting from when you queue up for a roulette dungeon:
Expert = 2 dungeons
80 = 4 dungeons
50/60/70 = 42 dungeons
Leveling = 27 dungeons

I'd love for them to redistribute these dungeons out a bit more evenly, so we're not just running the same dungeon every day. It makes the new content become stale quickly, while not giving any love to the older content.

Or even better, how about a roulette tier with 3 featured dungeons each week? Every week we'd revisit select dungeons, and there would be a few new rewards added to spice it up. Maybe even sprinkle in a new random encounter or two (treasure goblin style).

I was thinking of this because I just solo'd an old lv 60 dungeon for "wondrous tails" credit, and it brought back good memories of when the Arboretum was first added. Despite running 50/60/70 roulette multiple times a week, I haven't been in that dungeon for at least a year. It's a shame that so much content is just collecting dust.

As an individual with the current system, unless you run the roulettes everyday, then it will always seem like there's a slew of dungeons that are collecting dust, but trust me none of the dungeons collect too much dust.

I'd be in favor of a weekly dungeon thing, or at the very least another roulette. Side Dungeon Roulette, comprising all dungeons, both considered leveling or a 50~80 tier, that could be any dungeon unlocked via sidequest. Cause I know there's a whole subsection of the playerbase that do not unlock old side dungeons, so that'd be a nice way to incentivize more people to unlock them.

I probably can't see anything happening till the next expac, and even then all I'd expect is 50/60 and 70/80 to be two separate roulettes. But hey a weekly dungeon with bonus rewards would be nice, a bit like the weekly stuff BLU has.

Theres no need for a 80s roulette, since Expert has all of 2 options and both are , to put it bluntly, boring. I say delete it and replace it with a full on "Dungeon roulette" where you can get anything from The Burn to Sastasha

The 50/60/70 imo is the one that needs fixed most, not just because of the sheer number of them lumped in there, but because I honestly don't find myself doing that roulette as much as the others because the reward is not as good.

50/60/70 definitely needs some adjustments. Unless you're farming Phantasm, it's utterly pointless. The bonus EXP is extremely low compared to the other roulettes and Poetics just aren't much of an incentive nowadays. In general though, I wish they'd let Expert have more than two options. It isn't a roulette at that point but a coin flip that inevitably leads to both dungeons growing stale much faster. I actually didn't mind Grand Cosmos but after getting it so much, I can't be bothered to care.

Im at the point where im gonna leave if ill end up at Anyder ever again for the next few months lol... 50/60/70/80 should really be split, let us at least control a bit where we end up and increase the rewards, theres no reason to make me favor a direct que for an lv 80 dungeon instead of a lv 50/60 run... even less as we can do the 80's with Trusts.

And Maybe split alliance roulett too... or at least, make a weekly/daily special where one of the has an extra roulett with extra bonus...


I mean, its silly to limit our tome income... ppl who want to, just grind em day one using mondays rouletts before the reset and some lv 80 ques/hunts. More rouletts are always good.

Id also still want a true "story" roulette with all MSQ related dungeons/trials...

I'd say level 80 Roulette is the most pointless.
By definition it can't be done for XP.
And while it gives Allegory, it gives less Allegory than queuing up for one of the 2 Expert Roulette dungeons manually.
I guess it does give (barely) the most Phantasmagoria; but there's not much use for those tomestones. Possibly for the relic. And the crafted gear upgrades; but I don't see any reason to do that for *every* class until 5.5.

If it were me, I'd go ahead and reorganize things into a 50/60 and 70/80 roulette right now; and make the 70/80 reward 50 allegory.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

And while it gives Allegory, it gives less Allegory than queuing up for one of the 2 Expert Roulette dungeons manually.

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The bonus the roulette gives is on top of what the dungeon normally gives.
The roulette does give more.

Whatever they do, we definitely don't need more roulettes as we have too many as it is. 80 should be merged with Expert (as much as I like not having to run Amaurot ever again). Though I suppose maybe that's why they have 80 separated from Expert, so people don't have to run old dungeons if they don't want to. The same can be said for 50/60/70, which otherwise could be merged with Leveling.

So yeah, I guess the roulette is fine as is after all. (Though I wouldn't mind merging some, but definitely not splitting some or adding more.)

Yeah I am not sure what they are thinking with how they do the expert and 80 queues. It gets stale extremely quick. You have so many instances in Shadowbringers but people only see 2 of them in the expert queue?

That is such a strange design decision.

I would say yes to combining expert and 80 if it weren't for the fact Amaurot exists. They should really separate 50/60/70 roulette into 3 different roulettes. I understand the reason for it being one roulette is to maintain the 'tomestone economy' but what economy is there when all it gives is Phanta and Poetics anyways? Even then, the bonus as it is is irrelevant unless you're actively farming Phanta or Poetics for one reason or another. People just looking to cap will just do whatever gives Allegory and doesn't take too long.

This has been a problem in every expansion and has just gotten worse as time went on, honestly thought they learned when we had 3 in the Expert at a time this expansion but nope 5.2 came around and we went down to the coin flip again.

Personally speaking Expert should have all lv80 dungeons in it and the ilv requirement start as the lowest and as you increase you get access to more, this opens it to ilv cheesing but they yet to sort Alliance out so meh.

Your idea of a weekly random dungeon run sounds fun and not much pressure put in a cute minion and people will do it for ages.

I'm someone who goes back after unsync is a thing to see what I can get away with in dungeons(I like being able to handle lv70 dungeons on my Dnc now ^^) so I still jump in from time to time but the 50/60/70 roulette definitely needs some tweaking because it is by far the least used.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

The bonus the roulette gives is on top of what the dungeon normally gives.
The roulette does give more.

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Adding them is correct. But the roulette is 15, and most of the 80 dungeons give 20 (30 for Grand Cosmos).
Which is still less than 50.

I know they have the data somewhere to see what dungeons are continually popular, but I'd honestly just lump all the dungeons together into a single giant pile and go random from there.

If there is a need to split it, I'd say have a single roulette for the last expansion or two. (so 61+ or 71+ currently) and another for "Everything else".

Ideally it'd keep wait times down on the most current content, but who knows.

Also, I'd say rename the trials to make sense of it:
Trials in story mode (the early 4 mans) get called that (so "Bowl of Embers: Story Mode")
Subsequent Trials drop the silly "Extreme" or "Savage" and just get stars (so HM is 1 star, EX is 2, if they decide to add more like Savage, go 3 stars and so on)

Each language has a different goofy name for the different tiers of trial which don't make sense. And there isn't even a normal mode for many trials which is, again, goofy.

...ideally I'd love this easy "star" system to also be applied to dungeons, since it opens up the possibility of having a 3rd run in certain dungeons..assuming they ever decide they want more than 1 dungeon per major patch. Would be easy to recycle older "tilesets".

Expert should be renamed to boredom

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Originally Posted by Infindox

The 50/60/70 imo is the one that needs fixed most, not just because of the sheer number of them lumped in there, but because I honestly don't find myself doing that roulette as much as the others because the reward is not as good.

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Precisely this. The rewards suck.

All of the duty roulette need be separated into their own respective expansion categories and not lumped together.

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Originally Posted by Cyreil

All of the duty roulette need be separated into their own respective expansion categories and not lumped together.

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The problem there is people will ultimately just blitz whatever is the easiest/best reward for time. So if all categories give the same reward, the majority of people will only do ARR. If the rewards increase per expansion, then people would only do the newest series.

Either way you leave holes with huge wait times in whatever expansion is least desirable.

Then we get to the purpose of roulette to begin with: the XP is just a carrot for players to help new players get through their own personal progression and to keep dungeons “active content”. Or people trying to do a specific dungeon for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

The 50/60/70 imo is the one that needs fixed most, not just because of the sheer number of them lumped in there, but because I honestly don't find myself doing that roulette as much as the others because the reward is not as good.

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This is the biggest issue. Why does 50/60/70 give so much less than Leveling and Alliance?

Personally I think they should merge 50/60/70 and Leveling into a single roulette and let us do it twice per day. (and roll Ifrit/Titan/Garuda normal into Trial roulette while we're at it.)