Why is there so little information on this game?

For instance, trying to figure out how Cure Potency and Healing Spell potency interact with eachother has been a nightmare. All I've been able to find is a ridiculous forumla with the variables being unknown.

This game has been out for what, 8 years now? There is a staggeringly small amount of information available. The wiki and other forms if usual information are ghostly bare.

Does anyone know how how the healing/damage coefficients work in this game?

Example: I had 95 Healing Potency and used Second Wind which is 500 Cure Potency, and it healed me for 159.

How does that work? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

A lot of inner workings of a game that has the ability to be mathed out usually involves data mining combined with theory crafting. square has been pretty heavy handed with banning people that lift data from the game for out-of-game usage (eg. mogboard losing all but one of their accounts)

Why do they want that information hidden? I don't understand.

It's hidden, I suspect, so that changes to the underlying math involving that information can be made without players calling the developers names. If it's not 'official' it can be changed as needed.

That being said, there are a few sites on the Internet (and on Discord) where that underlying math is better understood due to players reporting what happens by observing what happens when X is cast or Y action is taken. It's called theorycrafting and/or optimization.

Have fun investigating!

Why do you need detailed damage and healing formulas?

Equip whatever has the highest iLv for your role. Adopt a rotation that lets you use a sequence of actions that has the highest potency per time.

Most of the pieces of the formula can be ignored when deciding what to do, and with the exception of BLM's hidden 1.8x multiplier for fire spells while under the effect of Astral Fire III, you don't actually need any information beyond the potencies listed in the tooltips.

The only real gotcha is when comparing actions between two jobs that do not have equivalent damage+/healing+ traits. Even then, just multiply one job's potencies by the ratio of the two jobs' damage+/healing+ traits.

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Why do you need detailed damage and healing formulas?

Equip whatever has the highest iLv for your role. Adopt a rotation that lets you use a sequence of actions that has the highest potency per time.

Most of the pieces of the formula can be ignored when deciding what to do, and with the exception of BLM's hidden 1.8x multiplier for fire spells while under the effect of Astral Fire III, you don't actually need any information beyond the potencies listed in the tooltips.

The only real gotcha is when comparing actions between two jobs that do not have equivalent damage+/healing+ traits. Even then, just multiply one job's potencies by the ratio of the two jobs' damage+/healing+ traits.

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So I can better evaluate and understand my abilities and stats? I mean, it's a pretty simple concept. I can't imagine being accepting of this sort of thing. Maybe this game just isn't for me. I require at least an effort of transparency and information.

I mean hell, the tooltips don't even have basic information on them. Like Peloton saying how much movement speed it grants for instance.

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It's hidden, I suspect, so that changes to the underlying math involving that information can be made without players calling the developers names. If it's not 'official' it can be changed as needed.

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Going to second this gentleman. If you search for theorycrafting and/or optimization discords or websites, you'll find the kind of thing you're looking for. And, yeah, they basically used the ambiguity and obfuscation of their formulas to dump a big nerf on healing this past expansion, so they definitely take advantage of that...

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So I can better evaluate and understand my abilities and stats? I mean, it's a pretty simple concept. I can't imagine being accepting of this sort of thing. Maybe this game just isn't for me. I require at least an effort of transparency and information.

I mean hell, the tooltips don't even have basic information on them. Like Peloton saying how much movement speed it grants for instance.

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As a long-time player, I agree with you on that. It really is short-sighted to not have potencies on things like Peloton, you do NEED to know how it stacks with Sprint or the various mounted speeds. That's just common sense. Sadly, when I need info like that, I have to google or wiki it, since the in-game resources are very lacking, like you said.


Wanting to know the details isn't such a bad thing imo!

SE has been like this even with XI.
You still get a number to work with, your stats and your potency. The understanding they want the player to have is as they go up, effectiveness will as well. Essentially this much is true.
The underlying formulas they don't want you to know. It keeps it somewhat mysterious and also will allow them the ability to change things under the hood as needed for balancing without directly changing potency values.

They've made overall battle damage calculation changes before multiple times and never once mentioned it in any patch notes. The only way you'd even know is if you knew what to look for.

The short of it is because not every game wants to give players access to the raw data calculations. Obfuscation is hardly anything new in the genre.

Well, knowing the exact formula for figuring out exactly how much hp Cure will heal for just isn't necessary.

Experience/using it gives you a ballpark value. You know it will go up with gear ilvl. Potency gives you its strength relative to other abilities. There's not really a need to do the heavy datamining and statistics collection needed to determine "This combination of stats will restore exactly 20k hp" or whatever.

And for comparing jobs' performance, we have FF logs.

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So I can better evaluate and understand my abilities and stats? I mean, it's a pretty simple concept. I can't imagine being accepting of this sort of thing.

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That is a fairly recent concept and historically not one that the vast majority of game designers have catered to. Most games have given even less information than we have here, and expect you to figure out the relative strength of various equipment on your own, because the formulas are almost never important and sometimes figuring out how much more powerful the Master Sword is is just part of the game.

The system we have here gives the potencies of attack and healing actions, which allows you to compare the actions within a single job's toolkit to eachother to make reasonable judgements about what is an optimal strategy or rotation, and that's basically all you need to know to devise such a rotation. You simply don't need to know how much stats like weapon damage or mainstat contribute to the damage formulas because it's not going to change the actions' potencies relative to each other, and so doesn't matter.

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I mean hell, the tooltips don't even have basic information on them. Like Peloton saying how much movement speed it grants for instance.

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All you need to know here is that it grants a speed multiplier greater than 1.0. Does it having a 1.25 or 1.5 or 3.0 multiplier affect whether or not you will use it? It's a free, oGCD action with no consequences, and it doesn't compete with any alternative actions that force you to choose between a high speed increase or a low speed increase with other benefits tacked on. Just use it.

Actions where the potency or magnitude of an effect matter have those potencies or magnitudes clearly listed in their tooltips, excepting the aforementioned BLM mechanic (yes, UI/AF should be clearer about their effects) and the exact gauge point gains for some jobs' actions (like Improvisation, which, yes, could use a more explicit tooltip, but ultimately still doesn't affect whether or not it should be used).

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All you need to know here is that it grants a speed multiplier greater than 1.0. Does it having a 1.25 or 1.5 or 3.0 multiplier affect whether or not you will use it? It's a free, oGCD action with no consequences, and it doesn't compete with any alternative actions that force you to choose between a high speed increase or a low speed increase with other benefits tacked on. Just use it.

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Is Peloton stronger than Sprint? There is a cost associated with using Sprint- its cooldown, meaning it could be down when you need it. Peloton is free, but other movement abilities are not.


Do you rely on other people to determine your rotation, or your BiS? Even if you say "no" to that, you still benefit from other people who do, because it means your parties kill faster, die less, and perform better. Having more people interested in deciphering the numbers to learn the true formulas benefits you, and that drive / curiosity is something that should be fostered and supported, not something to dismiss as being wasted effort. The more folks who're interested in what's going on under-the-hood, the more we all collectively benefit. Any one individual may not "need" to know, and I do think you have good point about what you need to know, but ease up a little on the guy, eh?

Part of the problem is that the formulas are changed every expansion to keep things from getting too ridiculous as levels go up, so the game may have been out for 8 years but these numbers have been out for just a year. This is especially important to do for stats that become better as you get more and more of them, such your attack rate and crit chance. We know it's not a strictly linear scale, doubling a stat doesn't necessarily double the effect, and we do usually get some pretty good numbers about how stats perform, especially later in an expansion, but it's also largely irrelevant for most players.

Here's the short version of how stats work: "Potency" is just a stat used to compare abilities against each other. 100 is essentially a "baseline" and it should be noted that physical autoattacks and failed melee combos have 100 potency. They're not all that useful for comparing between classes (900 potency on a healer and 900 potency on a dps are two very different things), but they can reliably be used to compare between abilities.

Attack power, Healing Magic Potency, and Attack Magic Potency can largely be ignored. There's no way to directly increase these, so they're just derivatives of your other stats. You only have to worry about raising your main stat (which is STR for melee), your determination, critical, and direct hit rate secondary stats, either spell or skill speed depending on role, and tanks and healers can theoretically worry about tenacity or piety but in practice they're garbage. Your main stat is always the most important thing to raise, increase that at all costs, direct hit is generally pretty solid, determination is... ok, and critical is on a weird exponential curve where at lower levels it's not quite so useful but as you can stack more and more of it, it becomes better and better. Skill/spell speed are mostly used to hit certain GCD breakpoints for getting stuff into buff windows, as they're lower powered enough that the extra GCD or two they may give during a fight is not usually worth making the attacks themselves less powerful.

Lastly: In the example you gave, healing magic potency actually did NOTHING for Second Wind. That only impacts healing magic, which healers (and Arcanist/summoner) have. All other healing abilities, like Second Wind or Clemency, use attack power instead so they're not useless at endgame.

Edit: Also, really don't worry about this until endgame. As you're leveling, the only thing that matters is main stat, which will always be on the piece if it's suited for your class and will always go up as item level goes up. So, don't make bizarre decisions like wearing mage robes on a monk, and equip the highest item level gear you can, and you'll be fine until level 80.

Hey Sephrinxx,

If you really want to see the formula I can send you the compendium here:

How to be a Math Wizard - Third Edition

The Third Edition is for Shadowbringer so up to date.^^

Here you can see the every Table for the stats (for patch 5.2):

And a other side Allaganstudies Akhmorning

At least I have a Side for you where you can look how your gear change your stats and in wich way:

Gear Calc Etro

Here is an example from a Set:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...96/unknown.png

I hope, I could help. But a little warning. You should read the two sources and plan your time. However, these sources help to build an understanding of the mathematical side of FF14

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Well, knowing the exact formula for figuring out exactly how much hp Cure will heal for just isn't necessary.

Experience/using it gives you a ballpark value. You know it will go up with gear ilvl. Potency gives you its strength relative to other abilities. There's not really a need to do the heavy datamining and statistics collection needed to determine "This combination of stats will restore exactly 20k hp" or whatever.

And for comparing jobs' performance, we have FF logs.

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I don't know, it seems like it's pretty necessary to me honestly. I understand that "Bigger potency = bigger heal" but I want to know why and how that works If I have 2190 healing potency and an item gives me 2 other competetive stats, is it worth sacrificing say, 80 potencty for more piety and skill speed? Or should I just stack the potency? For example. I strongly disagree with you saying that it's not necessary.

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The short of it is because not every game wants to give players access to the raw data calculations. Obfuscation is hardly anything new in the genre.

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It's definitely new to me. I've not had this much trouble trying to find information on basic things in a game before. I mean, I could understand if it were a new game that not man people played, but it's pushing 8 years old now, and supposedly has tens of millions of players between then and now. There's no reason for obfuscation, it doesn't do anything but frustrate players, self as an example.

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It really is short-sighted to not have potencies on things like Peloton, you do NEED to know how it stacks with Sprint or the various mounted speeds. That's just common sense. Sadly, when I need info like that, I have to google or wiki it, since the in-game resources are very lacking, like you said.

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Yeah I don't understand it. It's such basic rudimentary stuff here. Imagine giving players information in an MMORPG so they can better understand and better optimize their character.

Even when I DO google something, there's no information on it at all pretty much no matter what it is. It's like there is a black hole of information on this game that just gets sucked away into a void, or there are 3 pages of results, and only 3 of them are relevant but they're from 2014 and outdated or incorrect. It's insane.


For some reason Squenix thought it was a good idea to limit people posting on the forums based on the levels of their characters (WTF???LMAO?) and I can only make 5 posts a day. So stupid.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...96/unknown.png

I hope, I could help. But a little warning. You should read the two sources and plan your time. However, these sources help to build an understanding of the mathematical side of FF14

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Wow, why isn't this stuff just included in the game?
I can't believe they thought it was ok to not show basic stats such as your crit chance and mp regen and what not. I think I'm just going to call it quits tho. There is just too much convoluted nonsensical stuff in this game that builds up and makes the game just not enjoyable to play. Thanks.

Hey Sephrinxx,

I understand you your poiont of view. But its like an P&P like the black eye or other. You can play with a lot of infos or less. And I belive for a lot player could be intimidate by so exact informations.

I can understand the Dev-team that they dont make the game complex because new player play around it. BUT the Dev team gives the Com the chance to calculate themself. And so you have to look for the infos.

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For instance, trying to figure out how Cure Potency and Healing Spell potency interact with eachother has been a nightmare. All I've been able to find is a ridiculous forumla with the variables being unknown.

This game has been out for what, 8 years now? There is a staggeringly small amount of information available. The wiki and other forms if usual information are ghostly bare.

Does anyone know how how the healing/damage coefficients work in this game?

Example: I had 95 Healing Potency and used Second Wind which is 500 Cure Potency, and it healed me for 159.

How does that work? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

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Good luck OP with trying to get any kind of reasonable answer here.

I agree with you though OP. I started playing about 5 months ago and the lack of information drives me nuts. It's like the most basic thing you should be able to do, yet it isn't done. There is no excuse for it at all, every other MMO does this, so it isn't rocket science. However, there is a off the cuff reason for this - The game is tailored towards console players.

Also do NOT under any circumstances critisize this game. The one thing I've learned about this so called 'best' community is that they do NOT like any logical critisism about this game. You cannot bash square or yoshi P about anything. The only time you can bash square is when you want to rant about having to heal instead of dps as a healer or having to basically use anything on the gcd that isn't damage as a tank or healer. Yup....

I'll take another ban then. I always get banned for saying something different here.

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I'll take another ban then. I always get banned for saying something different here.

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If you have been banned as many times as you say you have, I think the problem might be closer to home.

Just saying.

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Also do NOT under any circumstances critisize this game. The one thing I've learned about this so called 'best' community is that they do NOT like any logical critisism about this game. You cannot bash square or yoshi P about anything. The only time you can bash square is when you want to rant about having to heal instead of dps as a healer or having to basically use anything on the gcd that isn't damage as a tank or healer. Yup....

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My friend, I guess I'll be blunt, but what are you on about?

This whole healing forum is rife with reasonable criticisms of FFXIV and only a minority of the posts here are the complaints you're claiming are the only ones perceived as okay. Because the crux of healer complaints here are the opposite. Many of us WANT a more interesting DPS rotation. If anything that has been the louder voice here.

This has been pretty much constant since the Shadowbringers Media tour (and possibly before, but media tour was when I starting airing my complaints).

Actually most of what I see on the FFXIV forums is criticism, so I am really confused what you're basing this on.

Just because there are people who disagree with you doesn't mean they're unable to accept criticism about a game they love, it just means they don't agree with that particular criticism.

But at no point have I ever been found to be attacked for making these complaints. I've had people disagree and I've had people also agree...which is fine. But have never felt I've been unable to make any criticism by the FFXIV community in general either and I've been a member of the FFXIV community for years now (started in ARR Beta Phase 3 and not stopped since).

My feeling is maybe the problem isn't criticism but either by how you view people disagreeing with you or by your approach with people - at least if you are finding this problem to be so prevalent. If you keep getting banned, I would suspect the latter. I realise this may be blunt, but honestly, you're absolutely okay to criticise Square Enix. IMO both praise and criticism are good for the development of the game. How it is done is not always positive.

I've only ever heard the "this game's community can't take any criticism" line from people who come from different games and pull "this game would be sooooo much better if it were actually good like this other *cough* WoW *cough* MMO I play, why doesn't it do things exactly like they do it's so stuuuupid that it's not like this other MMO"

That's not constructive criticism, that's complaining that it doesn't copy another game. As someone who's played quite a few MMOs over the years, there's definitely a pattern of people coming over from other games and immediately demanding that it change to fit the game they came from. That is where I usually see MMO communities tell people to kick rocks.

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It can't tho.

On topic, SE just generally withholds information from the public eye. They're very heavy-handed about outside tools like ACT and FFlogs, when they want to be, and compiling an actual workable database on FFXIV is very difficult. And of course, the data mining ban. It's an incredibly strange decision on SE's part, as sharing information would garner greater trust with the playerbase. Knowing exactly what my stats do without having to dig through the game's files would be nice. Taking stock of something like WoWhead, I'd love to see FFXIV actually get access to a database like it, but it's not in the cards for the foreseeable future.

Honestly, i couldn't care less for numbers, it is to much math people put in such, eather enemy dies fast or slow, end of story for me, saem for healing, it does its job, not care how much i heal at the moment and not run out of mana due anything. People want ot much details on a game forgetting it is a game to have fun with mostly and not do a math project on things. Potency means onyl for me it is higher, AoE has potency as example and a little math i allow here seeing that AoE always more potency then single target when there are at least 3 enemies normally. But thats it for me, it gets its job done, i not see why people seem to possesed wtih numbers and details honestly, highest DPS ranks, or calculating the perfect starter combo.

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Honestly, i couldn't care less for numbers, it is to much math people put in such, eather enemy dies fast or slow, end of story for me, saem for healing, it does its job, not care how much i heal at the moment and not run out of mana due anything. People want ot much details on a game forgetting it is a game to have fun with mostly and not do a math project on things. Potency means onyl for me it is higher, AoE has potency as example and a little math i allow here seeing that AoE always more potency then single target when there are at least 3 enemies normally. But thats it for me, it gets its job done, i not see why people seem to possesed wtih numbers and details honestly, highest DPS ranks, or calculating the perfect starter combo.

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That was painful to read, but it's simple: some of us care about optimization.

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Also do NOT under any circumstances critisize this game. The one thing I've learned about this so called 'best' community is that they do NOT like any logical critisism about this game. You cannot bash square or yoshi P about anything.

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Oh trust me, I'm well aware of this. I've had 3 accounts perma banned from the forums as well as Reddit simply because I disagree with something or voice a dissenting opinion. It really be the Gulag up in here. It's insane.

I even had a beta account banned because I posted a negative review on MMORPG.com in the beta.... yes, for real. That's it. This is the review - https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion...houghts#latest

It's funny going back and reading it, as all the same things in that review still exist today. Most harshly glaring points as the absurdly monotonous MSQ stuff and constant teleporting around.

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It can't tho.

On topic, SE just generally withholds information from the public eye. They're very heavy-handed about outside tools like ACT and FFlogs, when they want to be, and compiling an actual workable database on FFXIV is very difficult. And of course, the data mining ban. It's an incredibly strange decision on SE's part, as sharing information would garner greater trust with the playerbase. Knowing exactly what my stats do without having to dig through the game's files would be nice. Taking stock of something like WoWhead, I'd love to see FFXIV actually get access to a database like it, but it's not in the cards for the foreseeable future.

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As I understood their stance on this is more to do with people using those tools to harass players, from what I recall that is their main concern in them endorsing or adding such tools to validate certain kinds of mentality. And you see it in games where they are more transparent about the minutia. I don't think they're against the idea of people using the tools for self improvement, this impression is based on how they've talked about these issues before, but of course the official stance has to be 'no'. I've yet heard of anybody to get banned for using them unless they've made it blatant that they are.

I think their main worry is creating an environment that just gets really toxic about people's stats and their DPS. And I don't blame them. I'm all for improving myself and doing better, but I'm not for a toxic community, so on that front, they could probably offer better tools in game, not necessarily a DPS meter, or very specific data to min-max on, but some kind of feedback on your performance that maybe even other players don't see that allows you to build and get better. I think some kind of useful personal feedback would be the right way around it, and actually, if that ends up drawing people away from third party tools even better.

I can see how the minutia of information can be useful, but I don't think it is essential. And the tools people /are/ using currently are helping them optimise, sure they're not allowed, but Windower was never allowed in FFXI and yet 90% of the community still used it.

Unfortunately people who are being a-holes towards other players or harass them tend to think they're just offering helpful criticism. It was turn off in my experience of playing World of Warcraft, it gets tiresome after a while dealing with elitists trash talking players over their performance. In my experience, it's rarer here and it feels like a more fun community to be a part of.




And I am waiting for my bans for offering criticism, for the people in the thread saying they've been banned for it. I feel kinda left out. From offering helpful criticism in parties to players who I think need help to all my criticisms about updates, the game, decisions made and so on. I'm waiting for all the people I've ever deal with in the Final Fantasy XIV community to come after me for criticising this game. Or people in my FC or some of the great community I communicate with who do the same as me.

Often when I see people make this claim, I always wonder if there is more to the story, because my years working customer complaints tell me "most likely".

I can't say I'm too bothered about not being able to see the underlying formula. However, one thing that does annoy me is all the pointless and misleading information you are given instead.

Healing magic potency is an example that has come up in this thread. You'd think, rather logically, that it effects the potency of your healing, but for the majority of jobs it has nothing to do with your healing abilities at all.

Attack magic potency as well, I'm on DRK right now and my attack magic stat has a potency of 207, absolutely pathetic compared to my physical attack power of 4468, yet my clearly magical attacks (use MP and everything) work just fine. They work just fine because as most of us know, DRK uses physical attack power regardless of how magical the ability is.

To sum up, the game doesn't just hide information, it actively provides misleading information as well. If everything is going to scale from main stat and weapon strength, why have all these different ways of saying the same thing?
IMHO pointless, redundant and misleading stats should be consolidated, something like this:

https://i.imgur.com/MOXTacQ.jpg

Looks so much cleaner without all those tiny and irrelevant numbers littering it.

Tbh it's downright stupid that you can't see how much you are shielding for on the buff icon. I can only see my shields in group content, but i cannot see the amount I am supposed to be shielding for...

No one here can tell me that this is by any means good design, to omit such important information, just because. When I mouse over my Galvanize icon on my screen, I should be able to see how much the damn thing is shielding for. Not whip out the calculator and so some math. For the life of me I just do not understand the thinking.

Seriously. What is so hard about updating tooltips taking gear into consideration.

Cure II: Heals between XXXX and YYYY.

I shouldn't have to apply math to try to determine how much I'm going to heal for. I understand potency makes things relatively simple across the board but C'mon.

If I see a potency of 450, I assume it's 4.5 times as strong as whatever 100 potency is. But that's the problem, we have no baseline.

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If I see a potency of 450, I assume it's 4.5 times as strong as whatever 100 potency is. But that's the problem, we have no baseline.

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Divide it by 4.5

Trust me, no one's going to stop, look at health bars, then scan their tool tips for the mathematically most optimal heal.

You're already given that with the categories the healing is put into.

450 potency vs 100 potency is no different than 22,000-28,000 vs 4,888-6,222.

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Trust me, no one's going to stop, look at health bars, then scan their tool tips for the mathematically most optimal heal.

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I'm sorry but why do you say that?

It makes 100% perfect sense to use an appropriate heal based on the incoming damage and current health level of the target being healed. Why would I use a 7k hp heal for 380 mana when the target is only missing 2200 health, when I could just use a 2.5k hp heal on them for 220 mana?
Takes 0.08 seconds to calculate that sort of thing. It's the difference between a Greater Heal and Heal for example and I do it all the time in other games.

I'm thoroughly convinced at this point that this game was not intended for the types of player who math and min-max.

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I'm sorry but why do you say that?

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Because, beyond first getting the ability, you're not going to scan it every time.

This guy is taking light damage, a HoT will do the trick.

This guy is eating a ton of damage, I have to use the big heal.

The group is taking damage, I use the aoe heal.

You have a tool for each task. Potency, at the core, is just an encapsulation of all the math into an easily digestible chunk. It gives you all the information you need. If you want more than that, it's also derivable.

Rather than individually checking every single tooltip every time your gear changes, you hit Cure 1, look at the number, and instantly know what the rest of your kit can do.

But, admittedly, it'd be harmless to have a toggle showing you the end result as well, so meh.

I would love for secondary stats to give you a comprehensible percentage of your crit and direct hit rating.

If only to know how often I can expect a special effect to happen.

3000 Crit rating is meaningless to me, where as 20% crit chance is much more understantable.

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I'm thoroughly convinced at this point that this game was not intended for the types of player who math and min-max.

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It's not even about min maxing, it's just about knowing the basics of the game and be able to play around it.

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I would love for secondary stats to give you a comprehensible percentage of your crit and direct hit rating.

If only to know how often I can expect a special effect to happen.

3000 Crit rating is meaningless to me, where as 20% crit chance is much more understantable.

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Yeah I couldn't believe that there was no raw stat data. Like, actually mind blowing. What kind of an MMO is it where your stats are hidden? What is this, BDO? LMAAOOO