New patch cycles? Fun? [community question]

So with the release of patch 5.3 there is an obvious new trend in content being released.

The question is, does everyone enjoy this type of release style?
(If yes, why? if no, why?)


Examples:

-Ishgard Restoration
-Hrothgar/Viera
-Gunbreaker/Dancer
-New Game+
-Blue Mage
-Unreal trials
-Relic quests (quest/Bojza)


Again, the topic here is do people enjoy this type of release method?
(If yes, why? if no, why?)

This is not a discussion about my opinion on the topic.

I am asking if people enjoy seeing content being released like this.
(If yes, why? if no, why?)

It is not a discussion of whether or not if the development team can only release it this way, or a discussion about "armchair developer" or any nonsense. Lets try to have a real discussion, and give proper feedback if that is at all possible.
Personal Note:
I do not feel we should defend Square-Enix on this topic, considering Final Fantasy XI not only releases full and complete content, without limitations, but is also on a literal skeleton crew, and skeleton budget, but is not only not failing to release content on schedule, but is now in fact releasing brand new story content. I do not feel the FFXIV team is really justified when such things are happening in that MMO, which is "considered dead."

Additional personal note. Another thing people might not know about FFXI, is it now has basically everything FFXIV has, but more, and its unlimited. Glamour there, is completely unlimited, no dressor needed, no job restrictions either. They also have the Orchestrion, they also have an abundant supply of "new mounts." It also does seasonal events, as mentioned earlier, is now releasing new story content. It also has instanced unlimited housing, with new items being released for it. It has all full and complete jobs, and gear for all levels, and all jobs release at level 1, so you gain the full leveling experience with those jobs. This list goes on, but I think I've made my point.

Ishgard Restoration:
Is incomplete content. Its being released in stages. Instead of allowing the players to progress from start to finish, each stage is literally completely haulted until the next patch for the next phase.
Personal Note. Ishgard restoration is not really "new content" in the sense, that I feel they simply have changed the way you obtain Lucis/achievement tools. Instead of having to do Lucis type steps, or complete the crafting log, they simply added more recipes and instead of releasing Ishgard housing they are halting its release for some undetermined reason. (Personally hopefully for a real reason instead of Ishgard housing being exactly like the other districts, but only stalled.)

Hrothgar and Viera:
Are literally incomplete races. Not only do they not have their opposing gender counterparts, but they also lack hairstyles that are 100% availabe to all other races, including ones purchased on the mogstation. They also do not have full access to head gear.
Personal Note. Saying "their heads are different" I dont feel is a solid reason as to why they do not have access to all in game options as all other races do.Lalafells have completely unique bodies, and all gear must be edited for them specifically. Au Ra have different heads with the scales. Miqo'te have ears. They simply have chosen not to make the required adjustments.

Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

New Game+
New game plus has been slowly released over time. Instead of holding new game+ and focusing on A Realm Reborn revamp first, then releasing new game+ afterwards, they completely have done this backwards.
Personal Note. To me new game plus is not released until it is ... New game + where you.. start at the... get this.. start.

Blue Mage.
Do I even need to comment here? Not only is this job literally not a full job, but it fails to be a solo job, it also fails at making "old/dead" content fun or engaging. Every fight is still a "faceroll." On top of this, as mentioned already, solo content for BLU is not faster or more efficient or even easier with BLU than it would be with any other job. The only time BLU is more efficient is for Mogtome Farming.

Unreal Fights.
Unreal fights are limited time, and... well the word limited means limited. They are also level synced.
Personal note. Level syncing unreal fights, is kinda really strange. Especially when you consider the fights are limited time. That is an extremely strange choice to me.

Relic Quests.
If we're comparing 5.0 relics to any previous relic, they keep pushing the relic further and further back into the expansion. 2.0 relics were same item level as raid relics, and released at the same time. With 3.0 they have been pushed back. With 4.0 they have been integrated into other content which has been pushing them even further back. Now with 5.0, they have become not only pushed back simlarly to 4.0 but the content and steps have been drastically reduced. At the release of 4.3 we had Anemos and then Pagos. With 5.3 we're only just now getting Bojza.
Personal note, that is a stark difference.

"Level syncing unreal fights, is kinda really strange."

"I don't know what this content is or the purpose of it but I've already decided it's wrong."

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

"I don't know what this content is or the purpose of it but I've already decided it's wrong."

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

The question is, does everyone enjoy this type of release style?
(If yes, why? if no, why?)


Again, the topic here is do people enjoy this type of release method?
(If yes, why? if no, why?)

This is not a discussion about my opinion on the topic.

I am asking if people enjoy seeing content being released like this.
(If yes, why? if no, why?)

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"reading is difficult."

I know exactly what the content is. I participated in Shiva extreme at 2.0 and cleared it when it released pre-echo.

Unreal fights are fights to allow players to re-experience older fights at the time of their release.

They limited the fights for a limited time only, and are likely, according to the patch, limiting the rewards. Most likely very similar to the mogtomes.

This is a very strange choice to limit the fight, the rewards, and then also level sync them. As *not* level syncing them would encourage players to engage in other content to "prepare" for the unreal fights.

Instead its just basically "Mogtome farming hard mode.' Which yes I find extremely strange for a choice in development.

Additional note:
Instead of them using existing content to reduce development time on this content and utilize the already existing "minimum item level" sync function, and tacking on Faux Hallows, they are choosing to rebalance the fights, taking away from other development content, to rehash old content, because they spent time making job adjustments, utilizing development resources even further, instead of making features and content sound and solid. Now they have to take 2 and 3 times the steps to accomplish something that should be designed in such a way that existing features should be utilized when nearly the exact same outcome is the result. But again, that would be logical and sound, and who wants that? Why use level sync, and make solid sound jobs, when you can spend development time rebalancing old content to rehash it, and then spend development time rebalancing jobs, so that old content becomes imbalanced so when you rehash it, you cant use level or item level sync to ... rehash it!

Why? Because it is just rather shallow and "fluff" content. Nothing really engaging, especially if you're already experienced with the fight and cleared it at release previously.

But sure, why have a discussion and use logic? That would be helpful to the development team, and we dont want to help them, we really dont want that.

While there are some bits and pieces that I think could/should be addressed, like the lack of options for Hrothgar and Viera as well as a lack of glam options for GB and DNC, I largely don't mind the release schedule as it stands. I think it's also worth mentioning that, due to the extreme delay of this patch release, it makes the warts all the more obvious. If we were on a regular schedule some of the issues, like the delay of the Relic gear or the halt in Ishgard progress, would probably seem less problematic.

The only issue I really have with the current release slate is the removal of an extra dungeon. I still don't really see exactly what comparable piece of content we're receiving that required the removal of a dungeon full stop. I could maybe see a reduction in dungeon releases but it doesn't feel like we've received enough recompense to justify apparently losing them permanently. I know some (or a lot) of people see dungeons as waste of time face roll trash, and I have my issues with them as well, but it's still an element of the game I personally enjoy enough to miss them.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

While there are some bits and pieces that I think could/should be addressed, like the lack of options for Hrothgar and Viera as well as a lack of glam options for GB and DNC, I largely don't mind the release schedule as it stands. I think it's also worth mentioning that, due to the extreme delay of this patch release, it makes the warts all the more obvious. If we were on a regular schedule some of the issues, like the delay of the Relic gear or the halt in Ishgard progress, would probably seem less problematic.

The only issue I really have with the current release slate is the removal of an extra dungeon. I still don't really see exactly what comparable piece of content we're receiving that required the removal of a dungeon full stop. I could maybe see a reduction in dungeon releases but it doesn't feel like we've received enough recompense to justify apparently losing them permanently. I know some (or a lot) of people see dungeons as waste of time face roll trash, and I have my issues with them as well, but it's still an element of the game I personally enjoy enough to miss them.

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Thank you for an actual response.

I dont care if you agree or not. but using even 1/5th of your brain to respond to give feedback on FFXIV for the development team to read and consider... while posting on the forums, which is a place designed for the development team to read feedback from players, and then consider it, is such a refreshing thing to see.

So again. thank you for caring about FFXIV and giving proper feedback.

I personally am quite concerned about this trend, and am completely at a loss where all the money from 20 million accounts is being utilized, especially when you consider FFXI is now releasing additional and new content, when its "supposed to be dead." Even more so when FFXIV is boating of 20 million accounts, and is completely failing to release all saints wake this year. Not a huge deal on its own, but when you look at the patch cycles, I personally am at a loss.

SQEX has generally stuck to that though. This isn't a new pattern.
They release something incomplete and add to it as time goes on.
This is fairly common in the live services industry and I'm not certain I'd actually want SQEX to change this because it's actually a pretty smart business move.
Not only does it extend the life of content, but it accommodates regular updates.
I mean, can you imagine how much of a drag on time and resources things would be if they waited until NG+ (for example) was 100% ready?
If they tried to release things as "complete" they'd also have to hold onto content they're brewing long enough that not only would it back up other things in the pipeline, but while waiting for things to be DONE done the players would suffer from a lack of updates and new content.
If, before adding a new job, they had to make old weapons for all old content we'd probably only be getting one job per expac, or they'd make a handful of models and just reuse them en masse to try and meet the weapon quote before making new assets detracts too much from the expac they're trying to make.
Like, if the Ishguardian restoration was released all at once people would just shotgun through it and then it would be gone. As is, SQEX can try and build interest and hype each time they release the next chunk of that content. Things like this and the relic quests are SUPPOSED to be released in stages to give people shit to do throughout the expac to keep them subbed. And better they release it in stages than make it so grindy that it takes all of the downtime to do.

Yeah, it's too bad and quite sad that Viera and Hrothgar are so limited, but we just gotta keep telling them where we want the incomplete things to go next.

Okay, firstly, while I agree with the idea that critiquing a game you love is a valuable thing, you're coming across as incredibly pretentious and shooting your own point here. Somebody pointing out a flaw in your logic (making a sweeping statement when you technically haven't experienced it yet in its current form) is not them saying critique is not something you should do.

Anyway, a few notes:

Unreal fights are not level synced, they're ilvl synced. You have your full level 80 repertoire, which is the point here, I suspect the ilvl sync is just to ensure you can do it early on in Shadowbringers and to ensure it won't be outgeared. It fits the Extreme philosophy of a midground between faceroll normal content and Savage.

Calling DNC and GNB 'incomplete' because they released at sixty is... odd? Are you seriously suggesting that every single job outside of ARR is incomplete because you don't have to level it from one? They're a higher level so you can get them to the current content quicker, there's nothing particularly engaging or exciting about the 1-60 grind that warrants it being included - frankly I would have rather they simply launched at 70.

NG+ here is very clearly different to the traditional NG+ in that it's more re-experiencing parts of the story that you want to, since each expansion is self-contained enough to warrant that. Them adding ARR last isn't a mistake, it's more just them allowing you to access the parts that aren't being revamped as opposed to forcing you to wait for something that is ostensibly unrelated.

In general I think calling the content unfinished is a very deliberately leading misnomer. Certainly there's some things that are a little suspect - I enjoy BLU in its current state, but it's so out of sync with everything else it sticks out like a sore thumb - but things like Ishgard Restoration are done piecemeal to encourage a stronger sense of community and to keep things active over time. So yes, I'd say I like the release schedule here because it's tightly plotted, logically follows the "pick up and play" philosophy of this game compared to most MMOs and, generally, doesn't waste your time.

Sounds like a you problem

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

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This seems a pretty big stretch. They don't have access to all the primal glamors, sure. But that's the only complaint here that even holds any water. DRK, AST, MCH all started at level 30 and had nothing below that level and by the same logic can not be leveled. Even more relevant, RDM and SAM were exactly the same last expansion. They're launched at a higher level because when they released the Heavensward jobs at level 30, players didn't enjoy having to play through 20 levels in order to just play the jobs in the new expansion, so 10 levels to relevant content was much more palatable.

The jobs themselves aren't incomplete, though you could argue that you're not satisfied with the glamor options available.

Someone critique something about the game, call cult police! They will tell you how wrong are you and maybe you are the problem in this perfect game.
Now to the topic, new classes are fine, they even feel more complete to some old ones that got cut in half.
New races are unfinished, maybe it would be better to do your job properly instead of finding million excuses, multibillionaire company btw.
Shiva is a meme of a "content", they just changed numbers and added a recolored horse as a reward. Time walking in WoW is not even considered as a new content and people here pissing their pants about just ONE boss per 4 months.
Bozja looked like a lackluster in design terms, well, fate grinding that will be easier than Eureka, that's all, but at least something to play.
Ishgard restoration is just collectibles.
Blue mages are cool though, at least one type of the content that looks creative, would like to see more content for them.
Also, this game sucks and greatest community makes it even worse, just live with it and look how it will get even worse from now on, that's totally worth it.

DNC and GNB aren't incomplete jobs. They might not have 129430410401 glamour options but that doesn't make them incomplete on a fundamental level. They function just fine. Other than that yeah, I find myself agreeing with you on some things. One thing you have to consider though is that 2020 is not like other years. They have had their development cycle interrupted so much that they are at least 2 months behind where they want to be. So yeah, things aren't going to be released on time. But I do believe that they would benefit from releasing relic content much earlier as they did in ARR or HW to help with player retention. I think that waiting till the first major patch to release the relic grind would be reasonable enough.

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DNC and GNB aren't incomplete jobs. They might not have 129430410401 glamour options but that doesn't make them incomplete on a fundamental level. They function just fine. Other than that yeah, I find myself agreeing with you on some things. One thing you have to consider though is that 2020 is not like other years. They have had their development cycle interrupted so much that they are at least 2 months behind where they want to be. So yeah, things aren't going to be released on time. But I do believe that they would benefit from releasing relic content much earlier as they did in ARR or HW to help with player retention. I think that waiting till the first major patch to release the relic grind would be reasonable enough.

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I would rather call them patchwork funcitonal classes, considering they goten everything that made old classes and got shoved into the new ones to make them more special, Tank CD'S? All in GNB now, leaving most other tanks withg like 2-3 at best, even PLD that had the most normally. DNC goten the procs and good AoE BRD and MCH usually provided, MCH gladly changed heavily.

If anything with cycles it is new classes shinign with old powers other classes had, GNB again has a long DoT and a AoE Dot, Tanks used to have a dot to or every other class, older example here with SAM gettign a 1 minute Dot all of sudden after every other class got theres removed.

It ruins alot of jobs in my eyes, especially healers now, AST and SCH lost there identity while WHM you have to watch not accidently revive the dungeon or the fallen NPC's like Haurchefant or so.

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It ruins alot of jobs in my eyes, especially healers now, AST and SCH lost there identity while WHM you have to watch not accidently revive the dungeon or the fallen NPC's like Haurchefant or so.

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I, admittedly, almost choked on my coffee reading that part.

I really wanna know what we get for the dungeon they took away. But Not only the dungeon. They also said there will be no deep dungeon this xpac most likely..
So what are we getting instead?

I know I may be in the minority regarding the loss of the dungeon (and maybe even the deep dungeon Thing)...
But I miss this content because it something I liked to do from time to time.

I also think its really really sad we havent gotten the majority of primal weapons for GNB and DNC.
This just doesnt feel right for me and its something that kinda disappoints me.

Yes, I like side content being released in stages. It prevents me from getting burned out on a single thing. It's no different from the MSQ or raids being released in stages. Though I do have different complaints or counterarguments about some things.

Ishgard restoration
I dislike how it was implemented as a world event. If you want to participate in the fates you have to check on the progress multiple times per day and try to predict when it will complete. If you're lucky one of your checks will fall on the period between shifts when there's an exact and fairly long timer visible. I would have much preferred a style similar to the Doman Enclave reconstruction where each player is able to complete it at their own pace. They could still have released it in stages. I guess tying progress to the player would have made the tie-in with the Ishgardian housing area harder though.

New jobs
They may be missing a handful of class-specific glamour items compared to other jobs, but still have access to the thousands of role-specific and non-specific items. Personally I never found the primal weapons to be particularly attractive anyway. New jobs have always started partway through the leveling climb. I expect the next expansion to introduce jobs that start from Lv70. Learning the ropes when you already have a bunch of skills to begin with can be a handful, but it's pretty clear what the basic rotations are.

as someone who play this game purely for the storyline, iam glad they still putting story as their main objective (at least from my view)

granted the new relic quest is getting "been there done that" feel after several times, its kinda ridiculous now with all these relic weapon is very strong and have amazing power and such but a few patch later... tadaa another "amazing" weapon. these so called "ancient/relic/omega" weapon suppose to be one of it kind but every big patch we just uncover a new one, for an ancient weapon it sure is easy to get lol

i wish they just continue the progress of existing ancient weapon and further make it stronger instead of "discovering" a new one.

You just pretty much have to ignore player power progression or the game makes no sense at all. I mean, if we take it literally, the Garlean Empire has Lv70 soldiers in a few endgame dungeons of Stormblood. I expect we'll encounter Lv80 Garleans in the new relic playfield, and possibly in the MSQ before next patch. Meanwhile the three original ARR cities continue to be defended by Lv35 troops. Presuming the Garleans are still intent on conquering all of Eorzea, they could dispatch a small task force which wouldn't even make a dent to their troops on the Lv80 front, and it would make short work of the defenders in the ARR areas. Because it makes no sense for the NPCs to remain sequestered to their level-appropriate areas, we must assume that player levels also work on a meta level and have no meaning inside the game world itself. So in-world these relic weapons are probably just different ancient weapons the protagonist collects and none of them are significantly stronger or weaker than the other.

Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

I'm not sure you know what "literally" means. They're complete--they're just not complete to your likings. It is not new whatsoever for MMOs to release jobs that don't start at level 1--fact is, the vast majority of players would not want to start these jobs at level 1. If you're excited for the next expansion but want to play a new job you wouldn't want to have to grind it all the way to 70 before you get to play new content. DKs in WoW started at level 50 in WotLK IIRC.

As far as glamour, yes I'd like if they had more glamour items and yes I think the reasoning for them not having Ifrit/Garuda/Shiva/Titan items is dumb reasoning, but them not not having those glam items doesn't make them incomplete. Do I think it's lazy? Absolutely. But that doesn't make the job incomplete.

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Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

I'm not sure you know what "literally" means. They're complete--they're just not complete to your likings. It is not new whatsoever for MMOs to release jobs that don't start at level 1--fact is, the vast majority of players would not want to start these jobs at level 1. If you're excited for the next expansion but want to play a new job you wouldn't want to have to grind it all the way to 70 before you get to play new content. DKs in WoW started at level 50 in WotLK IIRC.

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An interesting addition to this point is that the jobs literally are playable all the way from level 1 if you really want to play them that way. Unless things are different with GNB and DNC than with other "advanced start" classes, you can take them into Palace of the Dead and start from level one, seeing how they progress and build as they level up. In fact, that's something I often recommend players do for the "advanced start" classes or for classes they haven't played for a long time. All of the classes in the game are properly built to be functional from 1 to current cap even if you don't see it. The advanced starting level is just a specific choice to get players to be able to pick them up at a later point without having to go through the whole levelling process again given that they'd already done it at least once before then.

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Personal Note:
I do not feel we should defend Square-Enix on this topic, considering Final Fantasy XI not only releases full and complete content, without limitations, but is also on a literal skeleton crew, and skeleton budget, but is not only not failing to release content on schedule, but is now in fact releasing brand new story content. I do not feel the FFXIV team is really justified when such things are happening in that MMO, which is "considered dead."

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Excuse me? Have you been living under a rock?

Your original post is a lot of things that has already been discussed at length on this forum and beaten into thoroughly ground horse hamburger, but that is the hottest take I've seen in awhile. I'm pretty sure "global pandemic" is justification enough for a schedule slip, especially considering most of the team didn't have the hardware or an existing workspace at home beforehand. It's especially odd that you used FFXI as an example, when they haven't had brand new story content in 5 years. What even is your train of thought here? How did you get from "new story coming to FFXI" and come up with "FFXIV developers are bad"? The story's not even coming out all at once and besides that, nothing else of consequence is coming out in the FFXI patch other than adjustments.


But discussing something that hasn't been covered in this thread at least,

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Relic Quests.
If we're comparing 5.0 relics to any previous relic, they keep pushing the relic further and further back into the expansion. 2.0 relics were same item level as raid relics, and released at the same time. With 3.0 they have been pushed back. With 4.0 they have been integrated into other content which has been pushing them even further back. Now with 5.0, they have become not only pushed back simlarly to 4.0 but the content and steps have been drastically reduced. At the release of 4.3 we had Anemos and then Pagos. With 5.3 we're only just now getting Bojza.
Personal note, that is a stark difference.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather gamble and wait for something that promises to be better than what we've had before than have to light farm for a 3rd time or redo all of Eureka.

So you talk about how much better XI is, then criticize XIV for having "incomplete races" because Viera and Hrothgar are gender locked...but like...you know that Mithra and Galka are gender locked in XI right? So by your own logic, XI has three complete races and two incomplete races and XIV has five complete races and two incomplete races. So I guess by your logic XIV is better than XI in that regard.

EDIT: And yes, I agree with your other points about Viera and Hrothgar. The lack of headgear is a blatant example that they ARE incomplete, but pointing out that they're gender locked after praising a game with almost half of its races being gender locked isn't a good point.

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You just pretty much have to ignore player power progression or the game makes no sense at all. I mean, if we take it literally, the Garlean Empire has Lv70 soldiers in a few endgame dungeons of Stormblood.

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That's just the kind of thing you've gotta accept with an RPG.
That kind of ludonarrative dissonance is borderline unavoidable in an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

The question is, does everyone enjoy this type of release style?
(If yes, why? if no, why?)

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Yes. If you compare FFXIV to WOW or ESO you will realize really quickly FFXIV is doing it right.

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This is not a discussion about my opinion on the topic.

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Yet your post is chock-full of your opinions on the topic, and most of them are wrong.

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"armchair developer"

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Yet your post is basically being an "armchair developer."

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Ishgard Restoration:

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Crafting game, not my cuppa tea, there are issues, but I'm not a crafter so not my place to comment.

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Hrothgar and Viera:

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The dev team already stated why they were released as is, they had no time to finish them properly and still get them out. They felt if they didn't release them when they did they would never get the chance again. They can always patch in the other genders and other bits in time.

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Gunbreaker and Dancer:

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100% disagree, as jobs, they are excellent and do what they do beautifully, they also work at low levels as they made them be backward compatible with all content. It is true they do not have set specific items for ARR and heavensward content, but who cares, They have full gear glamours for everything current, and stormblood. I know as I main Dancer.

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New Game+

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you are literally complaining to complain here, nothing wrong with doing it the way they are, and frankly no way would I use New Game+ on ARR or Heavensward content, honestly not fun a second time. It's why paid skip for ARR is so popular.

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Blue Mage.

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and yet there are people who love it, Blue Mage is aimed at being a personal challenge. Can you level it, can you collect all the spells, can you gear it, it's not for the casual gamer.

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Unreal Fights.

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once again, not for the casual gamer.

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Relic Quests.

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Complaining to complain, try WOW, bet you'll love the gearing there with the random stats, and the epic grind just to get geared for the next raid tier. FFXIV focuses on gameplay more than gear grinds.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

"reading is difficult."

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You put it in a post, we get to comment on it, you don't get to say we can't.

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Ishgard Restoration:
Is incomplete content. Its being released in stages. Instead of allowing the players to progress from start to finish, each stage is literally completely haulted until the next patch for the next phase.
Personal Note. Ishgard restoration is not really "new content" in the sense, that I feel they simply have changed the way you obtain Lucis/achievement tools. Instead of having to do Lucis type steps, or complete the crafting log, they simply added more recipes and instead of releasing Ishgard housing they are halting its release for some undetermined reason. (Personally hopefully for a real reason instead of Ishgard housing being exactly like the other districts, but only stalled.)

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No different how Mor Dhona and other hubs evolved over patches? Granted these changes is community driven on the server but i think it's a great addition to the game and gives alternatives for people to level their crafters and gatherers. And if it's a requirement for Ishgard House (should we ever get it), it's a fun milestone.

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Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

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Not sure I understand this one. Literally all expansion jobs been this way? AST, MCH, DRK, RDM. None started at Lv1.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

you are literally complaining to complain here...

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All his posts are like this. He's looking for things to complain about for the sake of it.

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Ishgard Restoration:
Is incomplete content. Its being released in stages.

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Fine by me. I play all year round and it doesn't bother me that content is paced. I will get to play it anyways. They should just put a bit more side content in X.1 patches.

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Hrothgar and Viera:
Are literally incomplete races. Not only do they not have their opposing gender counterparts, but they also lack hairstyles that are 100% availabe to all other races, including ones purchased on the mogstation. They also do not have full access to head gear.

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If the other option is not having beast races, I'll take beast races as they are. Hrothgar looks great and I can change the fur without using a fantasia.

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Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them

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I'd like some weapon glamours but that is not what determines if a job is finished or not. Leveling is playing a job in an unfinished state without all the skills so that is also a silly point. You can do all content, they are full jobs.

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New Game+
New game plus has been slowly released over time. Instead of holding new game+ and focusing on A Realm Reborn revamp first, then releasing new game+ afterwards, they completely have done this backwards.

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Agreed. I've been waiting to try this feature but I'm not going to play the story from the end to the beginning.

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Blue Mage.
Do I even need to comment here?

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No need, it's trash.

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Unreal Fights.
Unreal fights are limited time, and... well the word limited means limited. They are also level synced.

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They are seasonal PvE content. While I'm not a fan of time exclusive rewards, at least the bosses themselves are recycled and the original versions can be done synced at any time.

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Relic Quests.
If we're comparing 5.0 relics to any previous relic, they keep pushing the relic further and further back into the expansion.

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Same as with the Ishgard restoration, content with multiple stages should be released much earlier so that people have something to do during the whole expansion and not just the latter half.

When you start questioning if patch cycles are fun, it might just be the early signs of a burnout.

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

No different how Mor Dhona and other hubs evolved over patches? Granted these changes is community driven on the server but i think it's a great addition to the game and gives alternatives for people to level their crafters and gatherers. And if it's a requirement for Ishgard House (should we ever get it), it's a fun milestone.




Not sure I understand this one. Literally all expansion jobs been this way? AST, MCH, DRK, RDM. None started at Lv1.

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I would say on Mor Dhona tho those things evolved without us over time to fit the timeline kinda, Ishgard tho you activly do it and can miss a step simply to see how it evolves, kinda like beast tribes do but that is for your own to watch. Difference is you work for it and might miss seeing it evolve due simply not got time when it grows. So i can see kind of a point in this as much i disgree with other things on him.

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Originally Posted by Saix027

I would say on Mor Dhona tho those things evolved without us over time to fit the timeline kinda, Ishgard tho you activly do it and can miss a step simply to see how it evolves, kinda like beast tribes do but that is for your own to watch. Difference is you work for it and might miss seeing it evolve due simply not got time when it grows. So i can see kind of a point in this as much i disgree with other things on him.

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Except if you join now, you will never see either Mor dhona or idyllshire in their incomplete stages. So really it's exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

When you start questioning if patch cycles are fun, it might just be the early signs of a burnout.

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That's... a pretty apt observation.

Oh man, this guy's back.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Except if you join now, you will never see either Mor dhona or idyllshire in their incomplete stages. So really it's exactly the same.

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That is true but the difference i can see, you participated in Ishgard activly, Mor Dhona and such will change regardless what, it simply feels different for a player, the pseudo illusion of influencing it yourself basically all i say here.

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That is true but the difference i can see, you participated in Ishgard activly, Mor Dhona and such will change regardless what, it simply feels different for a player, the pseudo illusion of influencing it yourself basically all i say here.

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That's the nature of an mmo tho.


At least it's not destiny 2 where they straight out removed a bunch of the game.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That's the nature of an mmo tho.


At least it's not destiny 2 where they straight out removed a bunch of the game.

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WoW does this too at the end of expansions for the sake of exclusivity. I'd say that it must be an Activision thing, but...Bungie is free of them now, so they don't really have the luxury of being able to use that as an excuse. I love FF XIV partly because they don't really do that much. A title or 2 here and a mount there isn't a big deal, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I am completely at a loss where all the money from 20 million accounts is being utilized, especially when you consider FFXI is now releasing additional and new content, when its "supposed to be dead." Even more so when FFXIV is boating of 20 million accounts, and is completely failing to release all saints wake this year. Not a huge deal on its own, but when you look at the patch cycles, I personally am at a loss.

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Money gained from XIV goes into Square Enix's coffers for use in other projects. the only profits that XIV makes that goes 100% back into XIV is from Mogstation sales. Everything else can and is used for non-XIV projects. Tokyo RPG Factory and Studio Istolia (subsidiaries of Square Enix) incurred huge losses for Square Enix due to the failures of I Am Setusna, Lost Sphear, and Oniaki, and the unnamed game that didn't even make it off the ground from Studio Istolia. There was a net loss of about 592 million yen. You can bet that money from XIV is being used to offset those losses.

I don't like that content is spaced out in .x1 and .x5 patches sadly as I am too poor to afford the subscription for every month and I'm currently skipping rent to continue playing FF14 lol