Buff spineshatter dive

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08-04-2020, 11:44 AM
Saber44

Buff spineshatter dive

I mean seriously it kinda sucks
08-04-2020, 02:33 PM
VictorTheed

It was pretty cool when it had stun with it but since it don't it'd be cool to have it buffed.
08-04-2020, 05:32 PM
Vyrerus

What I don't get is why they took away it generating a Mirage Dive. :(
08-04-2020, 10:10 PM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

What I don't get is why they took away it generating a Mirage Dive. :(

I mean at least you only need two Eye stacks now compared to the old three (or the VERY old four) and it basically can be held for a tactical gap closer if so desired without messing over Life of the Dragon timings, so I guess there is that.
08-05-2020, 11:45 AM
Renkei

ya but the rotation requires you to mimic the same 3 eye timing as before so its even wonkier then before and feels like your playing the job wrong just to play it right. you never hold it, you just use elusive jump for that function.
08-07-2020, 02:49 PM
bundythenoob

spineshatter getting its stun back would be nice. not sure why they removed that in the first place. having the extra 2s stun wouldnt be gamebreaking.

maybe give it a high lv 70+ trait that gives it the eye back?
08-07-2020, 04:51 PM
Vyrerus

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I mean at least you only need two Eye stacks now compared to the old three (or the VERY old four) and it basically can be held for a tactical gap closer if so desired without messing over Life of the Dragon timings, so I guess there is that.

If it still generated one, we could line up our first Nastrond/Stardivers with our first Blood for... *ahem* Lance Charge as well as Dragonsight. :( LIke yeah, it's nicer now to not have to worry about eyes or losing them... in most fights... but I mean meh. As far as holding it for a gap closer, that's rarely need with Elusive Jump being a loss-less way to do that, as long as you're careful about turning around.
08-29-2020, 06:36 PM
Renkei

probably wouldn't be game breaking but popular opinion states that it shouldn't be changed even though DRG is doing the worst damage out of all melee, most of the problems in the game stem with the balance inbetween bard and other classes which the devs refuse to admit is an issue because they don't want to make it any harder then it is instead of just giving them consolidated buttons for their burst shot and giving them eagle eye or something back.
08-30-2020, 12:39 AM
ForteNightshade

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Originally Posted by bundythenoob

spineshatter getting its stun back would be nice. not sure why they removed that in the first place. having the extra 2s stun wouldnt be gamebreaking.

maybe give it a high lv 70+ trait that gives it the eye back?

Because of stun immunity. Bosses like Forgal in Weeping City were a nightmare since everyone would spam their stun abilities as they did damage. This meant the Succubus got off Beguiling Mist and likely wiped the raid. Things like stun shouldn't be on abilities you'll otherwise use on cooldown. So it was the right call to remove it.
09-01-2020, 05:11 AM
Aurelius2625

Bro. Why do you want a stun ability that doesn't even matter back? Like for real?
09-01-2020, 09:23 AM
Leiron

I mean...its an oGCD ability, that in itself lends quite a bit of power to it anyway.
09-02-2020, 03:06 AM
Shurrikhan

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Because of stun immunity. Bosses like Forgal in Weeping City were a nightmare since everyone would spam their stun abilities as they did damage. This meant the Succubus got off Beguiling Mist and likely wiped the raid. Things like stun shouldn't be on abilities you'll otherwise use on cooldown. So it was the right call to remove it.

Then mightn't that be a reason to fix the DR mechanic as a whole, rather than removing any ability for DPS to participate in raid-saving mechanics through ability usage outside of Leg Sweep / Head Graze when they used to have 2+ such abilities each?
09-09-2020, 07:42 AM
Ryaz

I'd prefer them to lower the cooldown to something like 30 seconds. Maybe give it a couple of charges. Lower the potency to be in line with other gap closers.
09-15-2020, 03:04 AM
Jonnycbad

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I mean at least you only need two Eye stacks now compared to the old three (or the VERY old four) and it basically can be held for a tactical gap closer if so desired without messing over Life of the Dragon timings, so I guess there is that.

because they also reduced how many eyes you need to enter Life of the Dragon while simultaneously adding in the lost Mirage Dive's potency back into HJ and SSD respectively.
09-15-2020, 03:06 AM
Jonnycbad

DRG already has a 30s recast omni-directional gap closer. Don't like it? There's also SSD, DFD, and Stardiver. DRG has more gap closers than any other jobs by a huge margin.
09-15-2020, 04:29 PM
ForteNightshade

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Then mightn't that be a reason to fix the DR mechanic as a whole, rather than removing any ability for DPS to participate in raid-saving mechanics through ability usage outside of Leg Sweep / Head Graze when they used to have 2+ such abilities each?

DR? Either way, I don't need damage abilities needing a stun. If they ever made CC important (hah!), they could lower the CD on Leg Sweep and achieve the same thing. Unless you mean to say remove the stun immunity build up entirely.
09-16-2020, 02:05 PM
Shurrikhan

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

DR? Either way, I don't need damage abilities needing a stun. If they ever made CC important (hah!), they could lower the CD on Leg Sweep and achieve the same thing. Unless you mean to say remove the stun immunity build up entirely.

DR = Diminishing returns. And no, I don't mean it should be removed entirely, but it does need considerable revision.

The current system is embarrassingly bad and I'd like to CC eventually made more important, but there's virtually no room for it so long as the DR system remains as poor as it is.