Nidhogg!?

When i heard this i got very excited but then i started to realize that this game will do 1 of 2 things to this legendary HNM A. 5min respawn in which case will be fun for about 2 days B. Make it Instance in which case will be like current content and be fun for like 1month . Please SE or SE reps let us know more on this or tidbits on the Legendary HNMs plans

Could be similar to the higher NM's we currently have, spawn every 8 hours or something, maybe he will be like Dodore and have certain weather parameters to spawn.

2-group dungeon with a 1 week reset hope this helps :)

I would love to see daily timers to build competition with linkshells on claims just saying

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Originally Posted by Amage

I would love to see daily timers to build competition with linkshells on claims just saying

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Then we have linkshell using bots and no one really getting it without paying w/e amount of gil or real life money for it. There just no way around that :( if they could find a way around it that be great.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Then we have linkshell using bots and no one really getting it without paying w/e amount of gil or real life money for it. There just no way around that :( if they could find a way around it that be great.

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if you think no one uses bots now then your surely mistaken and yes there are claiming bots also just saying

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Originally Posted by Amage

When i heard this i got very excited but then i started to realize that this game will do 1 of 2 things to this legendary HNM A. 5min respawn in which case will be fun for about 2 days B. Make it Instance in which case will be like current content and be fun for like 1month . Please SE or SE reps let us know more on this or tidbits on the Legendary HNMs plans

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I bet you Nidhogg, will deal with the DRG's AF Weapon :).

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I bet you Nidhogg, will deal with the DRG's AF Weapon :).

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could possibly but then what about other JOBs
not trying to argue but that will surely make ppl mad only 1 af weapon hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Amage

if you think no one uses bots now then your surely mistaken and yes there are claiming bots also just saying

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I don't think anyone is denying that they exist but having content like this would surely encourage the use of such 3rd party programs wouldn't it ?

I would probably much prefer a pop NM than an open world NM that can be claimed, there is nothing fun about losing a claim you have been camping for hours.

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Originally Posted by Amage

could possibly but then what about other JOBs
not trying to argue but that will surely make ppl mad only 1 af weapon hahahaha

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Who knows, but Nidhogg was featured heavily in the DRG storyline, I would love to see a HNM flan/pudding personally.

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Originally Posted by Amage

could possibly but then what about other JOBs
not trying to argue but that will surely make ppl mad only 1 af weapon hahahaha

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Actually, Nidhogg is directly tied to the story of the Dragoon job, I am very sure that SE is going to throw us Bahamut as the Dragon Primal for an 'everybody' content, however.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I don't think anyone is denying that they exist but having content like this would surely encourage the use of such 3rd party programs wouldn't it?

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People already use 3rd party programs without said existence of content.

that would kick ass if they made old HNM's as lore HNM's in FFXIV that would add another element of story to this game and can add more stuff to do.

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Originally Posted by Amage

if you think no one uses bots now then your surely mistaken and yes there are claiming bots also just saying

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maybe you did not understand me that what i mean what the point of HNM open world if no one can really get it without using bots :(

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Originally Posted by Elexia

People already use 3rd party programs without said existence of content.

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That's what I said, adding such content would only make things worse, because people would need to level the playing field.

Bot vs bot.

Yeah Nidhogg took 21 hours for a chance to pop once upon a time in another mmo, but not anymore. its trigger popped now.

when people start using bots most legit players just wont bother with that content anymore, and some LS just claim just to get the claim.

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Originally Posted by Amage

I would love to see daily timers to build competition with linkshells on claims just saying

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No, no, no no no NO!

Camping for hours on end and bots make this idea an instant fail!

Make the spawn conditions either from a series of REPEATABLE CHALLENGING quests where an item is gained to summon spawn the HNM to battle in the open field. Or make it an instanced area where once successful there is a long lock out of 2-3 days

In Ver 2.0 they already have plans for zones to be controlled by free companies through the management of resources and PvP. That will created enough competition between LS/Free Companies.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

That's what I said, adding such content would only make things worse, because people would need to level the playing field.

Bot vs bot.

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We should just stop making content altogether with that mentality.

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

We should just stop making content altogether with that mentality.

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What a gross and overly dramatic exaggeration lol. Seriously?

Without open world HNM's guess what? Botting doesn't matter a whole lot. When you start adding claims and special things in which botting *really* shines, it becomes a widespread problem. Remove incentives to bot, botting isn't a big issue. Add incentives for illegal 3rd party programs and guess what? They are everywhere, and they become a real problem since they directly affect competition.

There is no good reason for the silly claim competitions some ppl are clamoring for. It will just blow the doors wide open for everyone to abuse their botting practices to the fullest, and even for non-botters to get bots just to compete. Its not a terribly concept to understand. Yes there's botting already but what does it affect really? Nothing. It has no effect on competition, does not prevent anyone from advancing, it just lets one guy play without playing. So what? Doesn't really impact the game in its current form in any way. Add claims and it impacts everyone's game due to unfair competition.

Theres competition now? lols wish I saw that...

But unless you make it instanced to the individual, yes there will be botting. But then even if its instanced, how do you make it worthwhile? HNM lasted long because you didnt blast through them in a week-month, all XIV dungeons you do, becomes useless content very fast, HNM lasted years.

So do we have easy content thats burned out in a month?
Or do we have content that can last for years with lots of compition?
Or do we stick to things like Ifrit/Mog? Is this the right balance but still hating?

In that sense, do you enjoy doing AV/Ifrit/Mog 5000 times to finally get what you want?
Or do you prefer to have a chance/day to maybe get it after 25-30 times?

Everyone is bashing an single idea, and saying "NO CUS OF TEH BOTZ" but what is the solution.

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but what is the solution.

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Drop "force pop" item from mobs in dungeon (NM or else), then pop it outdoor, if you wipe, NM wont disapear at all, it's open to everyone to claim it after that or not, it can last all day long until a group kill it.

In that way, only pos-hack bot could be annoying, but it's probably easy to find out who used it.

And a group that can't handle it, can give up, and NM will be free to claim, as no one want to spend time to see if a group fail, there'll be no much worries of bot claiming.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

What a gross and overly dramatic exaggeration lol. Seriously?

Without open world HNM's guess what? Botting doesn't matter a whole lot. When you start adding claims and special things in which botting *really* shines, it becomes a widespread problem. Remove incentives to bot

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You need to remove these things from FFXIV then:

-Leveling
-Crafting
-Ability to make gil
-Ability to spend gil
-Questing
-Monsters
-Don't incorporate PvP
-Targetable triggers (i.e if there's an event that requires x amount of people to touch to get a special gift, i.e treasure hunt, this is botted as well)

Face it, HNMs don't create botting, MMORPGs in general creates botting,

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Face it, HNMs don't create botting, MMORPGs in general creates botting,

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HNM create content for bot only, i'm sorry, but you can't really compet with a bot, only them are available to enjoy the end game content. (well, not all HNM, but the most interesting and have long pop timer).

I'd prefer if it would have a spawn condition like Dodore, or something random as opposed to exact spawn time to give more of a fair chance to everyone. Also, random spawn location within a biiiiig zone for same reason.

i hope he dosnt look like the other drakes...... and i hope he isnt instanced.. no 5 minute pop, make him a REAL NM!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Nexxus

HNM create content for bot only, i'm sorry, but you can't really compet with a bot, only them are available to enjoy the end game content. (well, not all HNM, but the most interesting and have long pop timer).

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People need to stop assuming everyone who did HNM in XI botted, I played on ps2 and claimed enough niddhogs to say fuck a bot program. People are just quick to point the blame finger when they don't get it. I mean when the first land HNM's came out in this game and my ls claimed it 5 times in a row we had ppl calling us bots then. Folks are gonna use this as an excuse to try to make a point. You can't tell the devs not to put in content cause your afraid of hackers.

If you don't wanna be bothered with hackers stay inside your safe little instance.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I don't think anyone is denying that they exist but having content like this would surely encourage the use of such 3rd party programs wouldn't it ?

I would probably much prefer a pop NM than an open world NM that can be claimed, there is nothing fun about losing a claim you have been camping for hours.



Who knows, but Nidhogg was featured heavily in the DRG storyline, I would love to see a HNM flan/pudding personally.

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agree with all points but would be nice time sink

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Originally Posted by Firon

People need to stop assuming everyone who did HNM in XI botted, I played on ps2 and claimed enough niddhogs to say fuck a bot program. People are just quick to point the blame finger when they don't get it. I mean when the first land HNM's came out in this game and my ls claimed it 5 times in a row we had ppl calling us bots then. Folks are gonna use this as an excuse to try to make a point. You can't tell the devs not to put in content cause your afraid of hackers.

If you don't wanna be bothered with hackers stay inside your safe little instance.

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I agree that in most cases like in FFXI you still had a chance to outclaim bots, due to lag, ISP connection, and system specs that can handle the absurd load of people. I myself had claimed a few here and there, but it didn't mean they didn't exist or weren't in abundance. Back on Asura we had a guy we called "Super Ralph" and for the longest time he had a 98% claim rate on all HNM's he ever attended. He was just a naked level 75 crafting mule and all he ever did was run to the zone, get claim, move on to the next zone while his shell killed the HNMs, and repeat. In the end it turned most HNMLS's off from doing it or forced them to feel the need to bot in order to compete, by time the guy got banned all kinds of shells began botting to compete with each other just compounding the problem, just turned into an endless cycle.

I'm all for a little competition, but I really would rather avoid reliving 21-24 hour windows that just encourages foul play from players.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

I agree that in most cases like in FFXI you still had a chance to outclaim bots, due to lag, ISP connection, and system specs that can handle the absurd load of people. I myself had claimed a few here and there, but it didn't mean they didn't exist or weren't in abundance. Back on Asura we had a guy we called "Super Ralph" and for the longest time he had a 98% claim rate on all HNM's he ever attended. He was just a naked level 75 crafting mule and all he ever did was run to the zone, get claim, move on to the next zone while his shell killed the HNMs, and repeat. In the end it turned most HNMLS's off from doing it or forced them to feel the need to bot in order to compete, by time the guy got banned all kinds of shells began botting to compete with each other just compounding the problem, just turned into an endless cycle.

I'm all for a little competition, but I really would rather avoid reliving 21-24 hour windows that just encourages foul play from players.

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You should look at my thread labeled "Highly Notorious Monsters", it has a bunch of great points concerning HNM/NM's.

But the above posters hit the point head-on... Anything and everything in MMORPG's runs a risk of being exploited/botted. Omitting content solely due to the fact that it may possibly be exploited is sheer nonsense. Anything of that sort can eventually be patched/fixed, and can work its way into the game in a fair, even manner.

I understand each and everyone's concerns about the matter. I myself don't want a system that includes bot's fighting for claim. I'm sure however, that regardless of what obstacles may come into the path, an NM/HNM system can work its way into FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Could be similar to the higher NM's we currently have, spawn every 8 hours or something, maybe he will be like Dodore and have certain weather parameters to spawn.

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unfortunately thats not how the higher NMs work

For instance....

Buffalo spawns during the day only(so its up half the time) and it has a few minute respawn
The goblin is same way
The peiste is up during the night

Dodore is the exception to all this, he spawns during foggy weather, weather changes every 8 IN GAME hours. so its a random chance for it coming up
but while its that weather he has a quick respawn still

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Originally Posted by Firon

People need to stop assuming everyone who did HNM in XI botted, I played on ps2 and claimed enough niddhogs to say fuck a bot program. People are just quick to point the blame finger when they don't get it. I mean when the first land HNM's came out in this game and my ls claimed it 5 times in a row we had ppl calling us bots then. Folks are gonna use this as an excuse to try to make a point. You can't tell the devs not to put in content cause your afraid of hackers.

If you don't wanna be bothered with hackers stay inside your safe little instance.

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I never said it is not impossible to claim against a bot, and you'd had more luck doing it after an update where every program were broken.

I say it is impossible to really compet against a botter, not that i'm saying everyone is botting, i dont want to spend 100 Times camping the NM where i'm sure i wont get 90 of them that leave me a small percent chance to get it.

There is others way to make HNM content enjoyable, you could simply make Nidhogg flying in the air, until someone use a pop item to make her/him fall instead of just make it pop on a time window.

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I played on ps2 and claimed enough niddhogs to say fuck a bot program.

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Did you really claimed it ? are you 100% sure ? or isn't your alliance that claim it, maybe someone that wont say he was using a bot. (Saying "my friend or my linkshell member will never bot" wont work).

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

I agree that in most cases like in FFXI you still had a chance to outclaim bots, due to lag, ISP connection, and system specs that can handle the absurd load of people. I myself had claimed a few here and there, but it didn't mean they didn't exist or weren't in abundance. Back on Asura we had a guy we called "Super Ralph" and for the longest time he had a 98% claim rate on all HNM's he ever attended. He was just a naked level 75 crafting mule and all he ever did was run to the zone, get claim, move on to the next zone while his shell killed the HNMs, and repeat. In the end it turned most HNMLS's off from doing it or forced them to feel the need to bot in order to compete, by time the guy got banned all kinds of shells began botting to compete with each other just compounding the problem, just turned into an endless cycle.

I'm all for a little competition, but I really would rather avoid reliving 21-24 hour windows that just encourages foul play from players.

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That's my point, a bot encourage a discouraged ppl to bot or give up. i'm all open for competition, and outdoor HNM, but Square Enix have to find another way to make them that just a normal pop condition.

People should have to earn the right to fight HNMs. One way is by completing instance raids, killing bosses, and lesser NMs to get trigger items. Its like fighting off the big bosses henchmen before finally getting to face him. Those items will disappear after using them so the group or LS will have to farm them again.

I think this way promotes group effort, and co-operation that spans for a long time. It is way better than the lazy wait for it to pop so i can bot claim way etc.

i am for a tiered pop system as well, lets you work for your progress and you wont be affected by stupid botters at all

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

No, no, no no no NO!

Camping for hours on end and bots make this idea an instant fail!

Make the spawn conditions either from a series of REPEATABLE CHALLENGING quests where an item is gained to summon spawn the HNM to battle in the open field. Or make it an instanced area where once successful there is a long lock out of 2-3 days

In Ver 2.0 they already have plans for zones to be controlled by free companies through the management of resources and PvP. That will created enough competition between LS/Free Companies.

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this isnt a timer idea so stfu and also if they did add it campin mobss you dont have to do it

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

We should just stop making content altogether with that mentality.

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How so ?

You can still make pop style triggers and instance style content.

Do you mean it has to be your way or no way ?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

unfortunately thats not how the higher NMs work

For instance....

Buffalo spawns during the day only(so its up half the time) and it has a few minute respawn
The goblin is same way
The peiste is up during the night

Dodore is the exception to all this, he spawns during foggy weather, weather changes every 8 IN GAME hours. so its a random chance for it coming up
but while its that weather he has a quick respawn still

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yeah and who still does any of those

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Originally Posted by Amage

yeah and who still does any of those

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I think if they dropped decent gear, people would still do them, crafting materials was a great idea but it exhausted pretty fast which I guess is your point.

I would quite like to see these NM's always up but you can only claim them once a week or something, I'm sure people would complain about this though and compare it to nothing more than instanced content in the real world.

Can't please everybody .. or is it anybody ?

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Originally Posted by Andrien

People should have to earn the right to fight HNMs. One way is by completing instance raids, killing bosses, and lesser NMs to get trigger items. Its like fighting off the big bosses henchmen before finally getting to face him. Those items will disappear after using them so the group or LS will have to farm them again.

I think this way promotes group effort, and co-operation that spans for a long time. It is way better than the lazy wait for it to pop so i can bot claim way etc.

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this sounds like sky kinda but yah no not for hnm

Nidhog without Utsusemi-Ni? Shit, all you people used to cookie cutter setups will be fucked lol! :D

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I think if they dropped decent gear, people would still do them, crafting materials was a great idea but it exhausted pretty fast which I guess is your point.

I would quite like to see these NM's always up but you can only claim them once a week or something, I'm sure people would complain about this though and compare it to nothing more than instanced content in the real world.

Can't please everybody .. or is it anybody ?

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look at all content now everyone knows how to beat AV / ifrit / moogle / CC . this content was good for about a month even tho feels like 2 weeks . everyone can do it and win unless you slow

the question is there any content now that only few high skilled players can do or figure out? no

Is the game still too new to get these in?no

And to go back to 11 but at 1st cap 50 they had : simurph bune roc serket and they were still camped and killed long after their fixes.

Can SE produce a anti bot process reader? yes

Well those who want harder content stay when another mmo that comes around that offers such "hardcore" content ? yes if the game is good

Tthis the things that kill me people say i dont wanna camp all day wat 3kings in 11 = 9hrs of camp if wer killed 3hrs of each other and went last window, most of the time they were killed 1-2 hrs apart or killed min apart so hole even can last 9hrs or 30min just saying

these nms 5min span to get everything from them spend 4-8hrs on 1 nm really

i'm sure Nidhogg would be the dragoon story quest end boss or the Ishgard story quest end boss. Because in FF XIV he is the archenemy of Ishgard