Old content you'd like to see get Revamped

Probably 1.0 players can appreciate this particular suggestion a little more. Remember Faction/Battle leves? I liked the idea of undertaking specialized objectives out in the open world. You could do some of them solo, adjust the difficulty for "better rewards," you could undertake them with a party and only the players in that party could fight the leve enemies and you didn't have to worry about congestion lag or missing the spawn.

I always thought the devs could do so much with battle leves. There was even a point where i thought, how cool what it be if there were leves you could even activate in instanced content like dungeons or even Alliance raids.

These are just my personal ideas and I'd love to hear more. What's some old content or system ingame that you though had potential and would love to see revitalised or get revamped.

I always thought the leve's could be a sort of less spammy but more impactful system, like you might occasionally get to use a mega leve that would give you a choice at one huge catch up reward- if you missed roulettes through the week you could spend your leve to get a big drop of tomestones, if you kept up on that you might use it to get a bunch of hunt seals, etc. Give it a bit of a dynamic aspect so it might generate mutl-zone / step quests, but of course ensure the general time to completion is very very much worth the time investment. Just in general thought it might be nice if there was less of like "you can do 99 of these" and more like "here you can do a few of these today, or less often like this week, but they're totally worth it and not the standard fate / dungeon". I feel something could be done to revamp that.

Mostly only used them out of novelty, relic, or for my crafting/gathering (when there isn't a crafting/gathering beast tribe).

Instanced leves sounds interesting, so long as it doesn't turn into "kick the player that brought the extra dragon to this fight please" lol.

Onto my own wish I'd love to see a revamp/more of Moogle content (like a physical mognet, originally had really wanted a summon-able mog like in FFIX), chocobo content (hot and cold perhaps, better/new abilities and jobs, choco paradise/lagoon, etc), airship content (physical based, can be FC but also really want it on a personal level- sort of old kind of depends on how you look at it).

I feel hamlet might be something that could be brought back for FCs, perhaps a mix of doma reconstruction and hamlet defense as a FC project.

not an ARR player, but: healing chocobo racing!

edit: @shougun - that's giving me ragnarok online vibes with boss-summon parties and stuff, gave me a pang of nostalgia

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Originally Posted by SpiralMask

not an ARR player, but: healing chocobo racing!

edit: @shougun - that's giving me ragnarok online vibes with boss-summon parties and stuff, gave me a pang of nostalgia

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You know with the expansions and new zones I'm surprised we haven't gotten new race Tracks. It would be interesting to que into a new race track that had more obstacles and traps. Not to mention new items to screw over players

I'd like to see the hunting log turned into a full bestiary which you go and hunt all the different types of enemies in game and record their lore in an in-game encyclopedia.

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Originally Posted by TAS

You know with the expansions and new zones I'm surprised we haven't gotten new race Tracks. It would be interesting to que into a new race track that had more obstacles and traps. Not to mention new items to screw over players

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i don't think they have anyone assigned to chocobo racing anymore which is why it hasn't been touched at all. he's moved on to other things and they haven't bothered to go back and look at it.

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Originally Posted by Cyreil

I'd like to see the hunting log turned into a full bestiary which you go and hunt all the different types of enemies in game and record their lore in an in-game encyclopedia.

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It should have information on crafting material drops and blue magic. Also info on if a monster is a hunt mark, what type of mark and if it's on one of the bills you have.

I've always thought the hunting log should interface with hunt bills. It could have a list of the bills, indicating which ones you have and don't have, if you have an old one or the current one, and which are unavailable until the next reset. It could also list all marks by zone. This could interface with a bestiary section that would tell you about the monster and where to find them on the map, assuming you have encountered it before.

I also wouldn't mind seeing the kill lists extend to the upper levels and include added jobs. That would also come with more class/job specific rewards.

I would like to see Squadrons continue to be worked on and not forgotten. They have a lot of potential to be something akin to Trusts.

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Originally Posted by TAS

Probably 1.0 players can appreciate this particular suggestion a little more. Remember Faction/Battle leves? I liked the idea of undertaking specialized objectives out in the open world. You could do some of them solo, adjust the difficulty for "better rewards," you could undertake them with a party and only the players in that party could fight the leve enemies and you didn't have to worry about congestion lag or missing the spawn.

I always thought the devs could do so much with battle leves. There was even a point where i thought, how cool what it be if there were leves you could even activate in instanced content like dungeons or even Alliance raids.

These are just my personal ideas and I'd love to hear more. What's some old content or system ingame that you though had potential and would love to see revitalised or get revamped.

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Personally, i was hoping that the Hunts in ARR would be a reintroduction of the Faction Leve's where you could team up with a group of players and spawn an NM type of enemy, which was considerably more difficult to beat. However, they went for the spawn windows that exist now. I still hope they will introduce a similar system with the Faction Leve's, because my Leve allowence has been collecting dust for years now. I've only used a couple recently, to level low level gatherers on an alt to the point where i could enter the new Diadem.

I would also like to see a reiteration of the "Hamlet" system, where you can use crafters and gathers to gather materials to "fortify" a "Hamlet / Settlement" (like Hyrstmill back in 1.x) and have battle jobs defend it from (Beastmen / Garlean) invasions.

Finally, i would also like to see "Rivenroad" return as a trial within FFXIV. It was an iconic fight at the end of 1.x and would like to see a "Minstrel's Ballad" (Extreme) version of it in the current version.

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Originally Posted by Aldora

Rivenroad

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Isn't that the fight with Nael while they're still just a Garlean? Think we got as close as we will/can in 2.0 with Turn 9 of Binding Coil for that.

Triple Triad.

I'd like to see less RNG and more reasonable drop rates for some of the older cards that are awkward/frustrating to farm.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Isn't that the fight with Nael while they're still just a Garlean? Think we got as close as we will/can in 2.0 with Turn 9 of Binding Coil for that.

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It's indeed the fight that leads up to the event Dalamud crashing down on Eorzea. However, Turn 9 is a flat arena with a multitude of mechanics, where Rivenroad also had you climb the stairs in order to prevent meteors from reaching the platform at all. It would be interesting to see what they would do with "vertical" mechanics in the current version, which would open op more variations of mechanics for future content.

That's basically the main reason behind my request. (^_~ )

For those interested: The Raven, Nevermore (Rivenroad Hard)

I'd like to see the old tower climb be revamped honestly so that you can't just skip nearly every mechanic across the board. Something as simple as balancing the outgoing damage to force players to actually pay attention to mechanics would go a long way to making them more engaging in my opinion. As well as ensure that CT isn't the only thing we ever get while running Alliance Roulette, which is where a bulk of my ire comes from. Yeah the quick queue is nice but after getting it day in and day out it's such a mind numbing slog that I end up praying I'll get luck and end up in another alliance raid by some sheer trick of luck.

As for other content, a revamp of leve quests and a revamp of fates in older zones would do wonders in my opinion. I'd really like to see the bi-color gemstone system brought back through ARR->SB to help encourage people to do fates more often in the lower level zones.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Triple Triad.

I'd like to see less RNG and more reasonable drop rates for some of the older cards that are awkward/frustrating to farm.

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Seconding this. I spent a solid month trying to complete my card list awhile back and was having a generally pretty fun time until I decided to try my hand at some of the 'rarer' card drops. The sheer pointless grind trying to get just two of the rarer cards from the NPCs that had them absolutely broke me and I haven't played Triple Triad since. Hours were spent beating the same NPCs over and over and over and over and over and over and over for several days on end with nothing to show for it. Which sucked any fun I was having entirely out of the activity. I get making things 'rare' but the tuning on the card drops is absolutely unacceptable in some cases.

What gets me is that it's such a simple fix as well. Just make it so that consecutive wins up the drop chance for the cards. With an upper limit of 10%-15% increased chance for the card to drop at the end of a match after three or more consecutive wins, and losing meaning you lose the bonus and have to start all over again. Why not reward good play and make the grind less painful?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Triple Triad.

I'd like to see less RNG and more reasonable drop rates for some of the older cards that are awkward/frustrating to farm.

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I dont mind the droprates so much, but I'd really like to see a revamp that allows us to use more than one 4/5-star card. The real frustrating bit is finally getting one of those rare drops and then not being able to use it (...or actually already farming for a specific card, knowing full well you'll never put it in a deck, because you've got better cards already...). I'd really like a system that would just give you a maximum amount of "stars" to spent (our current system with fours 3-star-cards + one 5-star card as maximum would translate to a maximum of 17 stars) and then you could just build your deck however you like within that restrictions (they could still limit the amount of 5-star cards to one or two on top of that to avoid decks with three 5-star-cards and two 1-star-cards, at least for PvP-games).

I just really dislike how I can spent hours farming a 4-star-card, knowing full well that I'll never use it. I'd dare to say that all 4-star cards are useless right now - a whole category of cards... completly useless. That goes for 2-star-cars aswell, though to a lesser extend (1-star-cards are good for reverse and they'll always be better than 2-star ones, so... another category just... useless).

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I dont mind the droprates so much, but I'd really like to see a revamp that allows us to use more than one 4/5-star card. The real frustrating bit is finally getting one of those rare drops and then not being able to use it (...or actually already farming for a specific card, knowing full well you'll never put it in a deck, because you've got better cards already...). I'd really like a system that would just give you a maximum amount of "stars" to spent (our current system with fours 3-star-cards + one 5-star card as maximum would translate to a maximum of 17 stars) and then you could just build your deck however you like within that restrictions (they could still limit the amount of 5-star cards to one or two on top of that to avoid decks with three 5-star.cards and two 1-star-cards, at least for PvP-games).

I just really dislike how I can spent hours farming a 4-star-card, knowing full well that I'll never use it. I'd dare to say that all 4-star cards are useless right now - a whole category of cards... completly useless. That goes for 2-star-cars aswell, though to a lesse extend (1-star-cards are good for reverse and they'll always be better than 2-star ones, so... another category just... useless).

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100% agreed on the 4-star card thing. Which is a shame because the NPC's aren't subjected to the same rules we are and can use all the 4-stars they reasonably want. The only reason for us to collect 4-stars basically comes down to deck completion and wanting some tidbits of lore.

For god sakes buff the dungeons, stuff like The Vault and Bardam are still fine I’m talking 50s 60s not the inbetween

Half the time as a SCH I don’t even heal and the tank busters are pathetic.

I personally loved the class and job quests and their storylines. I kinda wish they got brought back, but I can understand why they went a different route in ShB. At least, imo, the storylines provided on ShB were fulfilling and enjoyable. Got to learn a lot more about the WoD and his crew.

I also still stand by the fact the miqo'te arcanist guildmaster is a liar. He said he'd see you again but he hasn't shown up again since that lv 25 quest 7 years ago.

Hunting marks should just show up on your hunting log. You shouldn't have to go and grab bills, though maybe you still have a button to update your bills in the event you are falling behind rather than forcibly ejecting them. As it stands now, the hunting log loses its purpose fast.

Gold Saucer UI should tell you which GATE is active or coming up next.

Make AV have a hard mode. Where the whole floor is yellow goo and double the mobs.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

i don't think they have anyone assigned to chocobo racing anymore which is why it hasn't been touched at all. he's moved on to other things and they haven't bothered to go back and look at it.

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Aka this game in a Nutshell >_>

I'd like to see them revisit the chocobo companion.
I can't see why they don't, there arguably isn't a need to.
But I like it and it feels like there's more they could do with the companion.

I'd really like for things like daily hunts, beast tribes, etc, from older expansions to scale. Sometimes I want something to level with while in queue, but I'm bored of Shadowbringers zones. There's just no viable way to gain EXP from older zones that I'd like to revisit.

Probably rework the tribe quests. They give low reward and are really tedious to do. Would be nice if tribe quests had scaling xp rewards

- leve quest definitely need to be either update to latest level or change the whole leve system, like instead of fixed exp value, now it give percentage of exp based on your level or maybe level quest above level 70 only give you decent money reward, something like that

- Fate is kinda here and there to be frank, after certain level i rarely do any fate anymore unless its the one that give you extra exp reward.

i wish they put some interesting twist on fate because this system has strong potential, for example... when X fate happen, you cant enter this town because it got lock down, or after you finish Y fate, this merchant will sell more extra stuff that is not available if you fail the Y Fate, something like that

the Fate system could interact with the npc, map and even other monster in interesting way, to bad they just end up as "do this do that for exp reward"

I'd like some improvements to Triples Triad.
Like being able to use both a 4 star and a 5 star card in a match.
Or less atrocious drops rates. My anti-record is 125 wins for one card i am not going to use. That was a terrible experience.
Maybe they can add some actual star ratings for opponents. Or some special rules, like you are only allowed to use one card of each rarity in a match, so all cards could be potentially useful. As is 2 and 4 stars are practically worthless.
P.S. Elaisse and Kiuka can go straight to hell.

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Originally Posted by Cyreil

I'd like to see the hunting log turned into a full bestiary which you go and hunt all the different types of enemies in game and record their lore in an in-game encyclopedia.

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+1 for that and maybe give us an ingame encyclopedia for everything. (Dungeon, raids and more) For a game that has one of its main points onto the lore and story, it really has barely anything in it to get them ingame. (Other than sightseeing logs) It would also give at least us collectors something to collect, without having to change much for all these old instances.

(Bonus points for the WoL commenting on it with their own lines or us being able to add to it)

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Originally Posted by Alleo

+1 for that and maybe give us an ingame encyclopedia for everything. (Dungeon, raids and more) For a game that has one of its main points onto the lore and story, it really has barely anything in it to get them ingame. (Other than sightseeing logs) It would also give at least us collectors something to collect, without having to change much for all these old instances.

(Bonus points for the WoL commenting on it with their own lines or us being able to add to it)

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I think that niche (mob lore) was filled by the TT cards though.

-Probably the older dungeons like Halatali, Copperbell, Tam Tara, Haukke Manor, Toto Rakk, I don't feel like they teach you much of anything as things can be ignored like Halatali or in Copperbells case it causes the party to take a screeching halt to kill Spriggans as a boss into another snooze fest watch the Slime don't kill the Bomb! As for Toto Rakk I don't need to say much it shows its age quite...badly. Haukke is probably the best of them but I feel like it needs something more idk what but make it more like a fun house, it also confuses newbies with keys and colored keys while not a challenge just shows its jank, Tam Tara is just hallway > same boss > hallway > same boss > hallway > different boss.

-Levequests They've been abandoned for quite awhile with no love kinda sucks people just do the craft ones to power level their crafters and that's about it I'm not sure what they could do about Levequests it might just be a lost cause.

-Guildhests need love too they could revamp them and then put our squadron in as a group and you'd have to use different squadron mates to figure out the fight as a puzzle for each fight it'd be pretty fun and give a reason to do them.

-Last but not least Squadrons, I feel that if you make them like Trusts for ShB but make it for ARR/HW/SB content/leveling dungeons/guildhests etc it'd be more involved and longevity to them that way you feel like they're leveling with you as you level, hell they could even add some sidequests to do with the WoL for some interesting side content.

tbh I think at least for Msq -wise Trails should be given a option to bring in squad or trust that way people who are new to the fights can learn them in a realistic way that doesn't take the fun out of the fights (which videos do as does reading guides)

FFXIV 1.23b had a lot of types of content with a very varying difficulty range, and what made it good, I think, is not necessarily one specific thing, but rather the variety. In ARR, they decided to just call everything a "FATE" and be done with it, but really, FATEs are nothing like any of the systems it claims to replicate. As of ARR, there was no longer any variety. Just toss all the old items that could be obtained through different means into dungeon chests. And I think this is still mostly true though Deep Dungeon and Eureka has added some flavour to the dullness that was FATE and dungeon spam. Some of the things I miss the most:

1. Open dungeons. They were nice - you could go there for some quests or for some NM hunting. It was never anything that took a lot of effort in 1.x, it was just something a little extra you could do, to get a nice weapon/gear upgrade while leveling up a class or job. There was a sense of exploration and excitement when hunting NMs in dungeons. (And for those who think it's like XI NMs, they're far from the same thing. XIV NMs had a short respawn timer and a high drop rate - it just gave you a small bonus for putting in a bit of extra effort). I think it could be a great way to expand the world by just opening up every dungeon as an open world zone after we have beaten it once (while still retaining the "duty" version in duty finder of course).

2. Situations where aggro matters. Most people seem to not even know that it's possible to sneak past many of the enemies in dungeons because they don't know that sight/sound aggro are things that exist. The dragons in Eureka was a kind of poor attempt at doing this, but I still appreciate the effort. This made it possible for them to have very dangerous enemies that could be avoided, which added a sense of danger and exploration. And it also allowed for gimmicks like the treants in West Shroud's Turning Leaf, outside of Thornmarch.

3. Faction Leves. Why did the factions die? What happened to the Brotherhood of the Broken Blade, The Horn and the Hand, and Azeyma's Shields? I'm genuinely curious! This system was nice. The bosses were inventive and fun, and had a great variety and difficulty range. I liked the Magitek boss one, and the one with the two cyclopes that spawned at opposite sides of the map, forcing your party to split into two.

4. Dungeons that aren't trivial. The dungeons used to have things like branching paths and different, unique reward criteria ("Don't eat any fruit" in Aurum Vale for example). At the end of the dungeon, anything from one to five chests would spawn depending on how many criteria you fulfilled. This meant that dungeons could be completed in several ways, with the full reward runs being quite difficult. I'm not saying that all dungeons should be like this instead of what we have now, but a system like it, with actually useful rewards and not just the desynthesis fodder in the current dungeons, could be nice.

5. Hamlet Defense. The provisioning phase was kind of moved to Ishgard restoration, but that was the least interesting part about Hamlet Defense anyway. Actual battle content where all jobs and classes, including DoL and DoH, could participate. Many different ways to increase your score, with some fun conditions such as clearing the battle with only disciples of the hand.

6. Skirmish. A special type of mission (grand company joint military exercise) where we were sent to an island to battle a series of bosses, and get good rewards (Giantsgall weapons, which used to actually be good due to them being the best type of weapon that could be melded). There were two, Locke's Lie and Turtleback Island.

7. Meaningful DoL/DoH quests. The stuff they added for ARR was clearly just something they put together in a hurry to be able to meet the deadline. Templated quests that are identical for every DoL/DoH except with different item names. Synthing the item was just the start of the quest in 1.x. BLM/ARM synthed a set of ear plugs, to be able to go to an island with sirens that tried to seduce you, for you to solve a mystery that constantly tried to trick you into removing the ear plugs. In the MIN quest we'd have to escort an NPC while she tried to run away from her brothers, and halt their advance by digging holes and traps. None of that "Just give me 30 chunks of copper" stuff. Actual interesting quests!

8. Musketeer. Not a revamp per se, but they were featured prominently in Limsa Lominsa-related storylines. Did the XIV team completely forget about musketeer?

9. Grand Companies that actually matter. They were a major part of the story, they even had their own holiday (Foundation Day) which apparently we don't even care to celebrate any longer. There were special grand company quests. They weren't just the place where you dumped your dungeon crap so you can buy coke.

10. A wide range of smaller activities that were just kind of nice to do from time to time even though they were never essential. Things like Behests and Chocobo Caravan for some small EXP/seal rewards and achievements.

11. Elements and other weaknesses. That was the whole point of the armoury system. Switch to the job that makes sense for the situation. Why does every job have to be equal for any given situation? Why can't someone go BLM for most of Aurum Vale and then switch to MNK for the last boss like we used to do? Not saying any of the jobs should be overpowered or better than the others. Just that they should be good at different things in different situations. Though I'll admit they painted themselves into a corner already - in the current state of the game this wouldn't work. But the game can change.

12. Interesting gear. This game might as well not have gear at all, every piece of gear is the same just with the numbers scaled differently. There is no longer any gear that enhances Ballad of the Magi and Minuet of Rigor, no enmity gear, nothing that gives fire resistance, or has added wind damage, or any other gear for any situational use. There's just The One Gear Piece that everyone gets and uses always (or, until the next patch), and that's that. They could easily add ways to augment gear with job specific boons and not even have it bound to the gear piece itself, if they want to avoid situations where we have to wear level 50 AF gear at level 80.

Old beast tribes leave much to be desired, especially ARR. Compare the ixali to namazu... Ixali is such a massive PITA in comparison, asking you to have specific buffs, equip specific gear, go to different maps and they just mix in gathering at random when it should really be based on current class. Namazu just asks you to go there and do the thing. Even when they add flight to ARR, while it will help with some, the sylphs have a few quests that are going to be an epic drag. Maybe they could get a level scale added to them and a bit of clean up in general.

Don't touch the writing since IMO ARR has a few of the more compelling beast tribes stories. Really enjoyed the ixali and sahagin in particular.

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6. Skirmish. A special type of mission (grand company joint military exercise) where we were sent to an island to battle a series of bosses, and get good rewards (Giantsgall weapons, which used to actually be good due to them being the best type of weapon that could be melded). There were two, Locke's Lie and Turtleback Island.

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It's called PvP now. You can queue up for it. The rewards I want are glamour items. I don't think it should be a gateway for Best Weapons in PvE.

They also tried something like that for PvE with "islands in the sky" (aka Diadem), but everyone post-ARR appears to have taken a dislike to it.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Ixali is such a massive PITA in comparison... Don't touch the writing since IMO ARR has a few of the more compelling beast tribes stories. Really enjoyed the ixali and sahagin in particular.

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Might have been a pain if you did it 5 years ago, I suppose. It's simple enough these days. If all you want are the mounts, spend time in MSQ Roulette to earn tomes to purchase them.

While the XP was low, it was an easy way to level up and learn to use that level 45-55 job you haven't been leveling "because".

Yeah, I started those back when it was just "ARR", but finished them when I decided to start leveling all of the other jobs to max level about two years ago.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Might have been a pain if you did it 5 years ago, I suppose. It's simple enough these days. If all you want are the mounts, spend time in MSQ Roulette to earn tomes to purchase them.

While the XP was low, it was an easy way to level up and learn to use that level 45-55 job you haven't been leveling "because".

Yeah, I started those back when it was just "ARR", but finished them when I decided to start leveling all of the other jobs to max level about two years ago.

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I wonder if they meant pain in relation to reward/time spent. I had done them on second character and all ARR beast tribes are out of sync. It wasn't an issue when cap was 50 and you couldn't get higher. I also literally did them on jobs as soon as they could and wasn't really getting xp else where and it still seemed out of sync. The fates are not nearly as obnoxious in ARR. Which helps,b ut they should just delete them all.


ARR beast tribe quest lines are really good. If they don't want to to rescale rewards which is fine. You could argue they don't want people doing that content instead of X content. They could just change it so the rep you get moves you to next rank every day. This hurts no one and actually would improve the quest experience as they would see it play out closer to each other.


I just wanted to add that I like this thread. I don't agree with everything on this list. But have seen better stuff mentioned in a few posts here then is some LL.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

It's called PvP now. You can queue up for it. The rewards I want are glamour items. I don't think it should be a gateway for Best Weapons in PvE.

They also tried something like that for PvE with "islands in the sky" (aka Diadem), but everyone post-ARR appears to have taken a dislike to it.

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Skirmish is nothing like PvP. I cannot queue up for it. The rewards I want are not glamour items. PvP obviously shouldn't be a gateway for the best, or even good, PvE weapons, but then again Skirmish had nothing in common with PvP so I don't know why that's even an argument.

I don't know about revamping and meaning to allocate resources on that rather than creating something new and better, but there are some things that are in a weird state today:
Leves from 1-50, the Chocobo companion, treasure maps (even if it's a different coat of paint, it's the same system and it's getting more and more boring, except for the shifting altars), FATEs, dungeon format, housing , retainers' missions, squadron...

Grand companies updates
Squadron update

and Hamlet Defense from 1.0, I am sure they could have content for DoL/DoH/DoW