Marketboard PSA

Can’t seem to delete the thread, but despite saying I’m not here to argue seems like people are getting upset over an opinion over a virtual marketboard, but go off.

The bots dominate all areas of the marketboards anyway, on Louisoix they sell everything and are set to automatically undercut within 10 mins anyway.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

PSA for all you would be gil makers on the marketboards. I'm not here to argue, but seriously y'all. Stop undercutting prices so heavily. Not only are you making less money than the person you're undercutting above, you almost certainly will be undercut by another person if we don't try to just price match. This last week alone I've seen undercutting snowball a price from 50k for a mat down to 12k that takes days or more to recover. This just shouldn't happen. Please try to have better marketboard etiquette, price match, and we can all make good gil at the same pace. You're not going to make a buck quicker because you're more than likely going to be undercut and are contributing to tanking prices making things more difficult for everybody else.

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You think the botters are on the OF? Those players clearly don't care. There is no such thing as market board etiquette. It's a free for all. I'm not advocating for this. This post is just you screaming into air because nothing is going to change.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

PSA for all you would be gil makers on the marketboards. I'm not here to argue, but seriously y'all. Stop undercutting prices so heavily. Not only are you making less money than the person you're undercutting above, you almost certainly will be undercut by another person if we don't try to just price match. This last week alone I've seen undercutting snowball a price from 50k for a mat down to 12k that takes days or more to recover. This just shouldn't happen. Please try to have better marketboard etiquette, price match, and we can all make good gil at the same pace. You're not going to make a buck quicker because you're more than likely going to be undercut and are contributing to tanking prices making things more difficult for everybody else.

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My huge quantity of items I quickly want to sell > Market board etiquette

Uhm, it's a free market, so if somebody undercuts - be that willingly or per accident like in missing a 0 while typing the price - there is nothing others can do about it. Unless you buy the cheap stuff yourself and put it in for a higher price, your hands are tied.

However...

It's kind of naive to expect that everyone who undercuts on MB would also be using this forum.

-A) There are people outside who don't even know this site exists (funfact: I even got once a DPS in a roulette-run who actually thought the FFXIV-reddit-site would be the official forum)

-and B) not everybody who plays the game is capable of speaking English (means: although we Germans have it as a must at school, for example, many of us care not at all for the language).

Depends on the product. As I can only put 20 offers per retainer on the board and also need space in my inventory, I usually aim to sell quick to get rid of it.

I also compare prices. I don't care if the only offer is some stuff you're trying to sell for like 250k if I know people will usually only pay 100k for it (in the past or on other servers). I'll offer it for 100k then even if it means massive undercutting, because I don't want it on the board for weeks until someone stupid enough falls for it (see above).

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

PSA for all you would be gil makers on the marketboards. I'm not here to argue, but seriously y'all. Stop undercutting prices so heavily. Not only are you making less money than the person you're undercutting above, you almost certainly will be undercut by another person if we don't try to just price match. This last week alone I've seen undercutting snowball a price from 50k for a mat down to 12k that takes days or more to recover. This just shouldn't happen. Please try to have better marketboard etiquette, price match, and we can all make good gil at the same pace. You're not going to make a buck quicker because you're more than likely going to be undercut and are contributing to tanking prices making things more difficult for everybody else.

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No.

I got mine, I'm happy with my modest profit.

Don't tell me what to price my items at.

Still smh at the guy who undercut a very rarely sold pet by close to a mil as if a multi-million gil minion that sells like three times a month is gonna turn a quicker sale that way... better off waiting and making the extra mil. You're not broadening your market with that kind of cut :/ it's like some people don't actually wanna make money

The tears caused by mass undercutting are worth far more than gil.

Some don’t. Some are just genuinely there to mess with you. You can sell an item for 150k 8 times in 2 weeks. They come along and craft 50 of them. Fill up their 5 retainers with them and sell them for 45k each. Now 45k might not be enough for your 2/3 sales a week to justify the craft or selling space but to them if they push you out as it’s not worth your time that’s still over 2mil in sales and at 45k they might get 4/5 sales a week and being bots don’t care how long it takes.
You could buy them up but they’ll just craft another 50 when on and delist for the same price and eventually you’ll be out of pocket and stuck with all those items you’ll need to sell at 44,999 -400 tax. And they’ll still be there at 45k when you sell all yours at a loss.

I rather sell the large quantity of items I craft quicker and not have to worry about playing undercut clicker. If someone undercuts you are you are annoyed buy out the item and wait for prices to get to the point you find reasonable.

Overall I am not hurting for gil, I just enjoy crafting, and not the type of person that will give items away for nothing so I massively undercut. If the trend continues so be it, not my prob.

I'm a buyer, and I prefer the prices low. I also don't craft. So I gotta get some glam pieces off of there!

There's a "reply with quote" option btw, if you just press reply, we don't know who you are trying to say it to.

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Originally Posted by LuciferNacht

You think the botters are on the OF? Those players clearly don't care. There is no such thing as market board etiquette. It's a free for all. I'm not advocating for this. This post is just you screaming into air because nothing is going to change.

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My op never said that, I’m posting this here for actual people who undercut because I know it’s not just 100% bots. And are the forums not for just screaming into the air anyways?

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

And are the forums not for just screaming into the air anyways?

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forums are not echo chambers. just because someone disagrees with you it's not going to come off well if you attack them.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

forums are not echo chambers. you're not allowed to get uppity because someone disagrees with you. just sayin.

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I’m not getting uppity nor attacking anyone, it was a genuine question. Of course people were going to disagree with me. I was simply clarifying my point.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

Can’t seem to delete the thread, but despite saying I’m not here to argue seems like people are getting upset over an opinion over a virtual marketboard, but go off.

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So you've learned a valuable lesson - you can't tell other players what they can do in a free market because they will absolutely take issue with your presumption.

Here's a second valuable lesson to share with you - gil in this game is almost useless. It doesn't matter what price someone chooses to list an item at because there's almost nothing to spend the gil on except items sold by other players. If someone wants to price low, there's nothing wrong with that. If you think you can sell it for higher, then buy their item and relist it higher.

I price what I get very cheaply, usually 50% below the current lowest price. I'd much rather the prices be low for easier access.

I always undercut by a single gil, personally. It's worked out pretty well for me so far. I do wish there was more to spend gil on, though.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

So you've learned a valuable lesson - you can't tell other players what they can do in a free market because they will absolutely take issue with your presumption.

Here's a second valuable lesson to share with you - gil in this game is almost useless. It doesn't matter what price someone chooses to list an item at because there's almost nothing to spend the gil on except items sold by other players. If someone wants to price low, there's nothing wrong with that. If you think you can sell it for higher, then buy their item and relist it higher.

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I’m not telling people what to do, that’s the issue here. I’m just stating what could be done. Nowhere did I state and demand people to do things. I literally just said people shouldn’t undercut and tank prices. That’s incredibly different than telling people what to do. Not to mention what I say is not law and people don’t have to follow it. And housing is something to spend Gil on easily. I mean it’s 3m alone for a small house. Not everybody in FF14 has endless supply of money.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

I’m not telling people what to do, that’s the issue here. I’m just stating what could be done. Nowhere did I state and demand people to do things. I literally just said people shouldn’t undercut and tank prices. That’s incredibly different than telling people what to do. Not to mention what I say is not law and people don’t have to follow it. And housing is something to spend Gil on easily. I mean it’s 3m alone for a small house. Not everybody in FF14 has endless supply of money.

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I get annoyed by undercutters who are not bots, when they undercut massively on items which are selling consistently at certain price.

But 3m is not a lot. You can make that in 1 week or less doing stuff like roulettes as a tank or healer,crafting leves,treasure maps etc.

Housing is not an effective gil sink considering how this game throws gil at you like candy.

Would like to see apartments be upgradeable for gil.

Expensive mounts, glams,minions etc costing 50m gil or more.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

I’m not telling people what to do, that’s the issue here. I’m just stating what could be done. Nowhere did I state and demand people to do things. I literally just said people shouldn’t undercut and tank prices. That’s incredibly different than telling people what to do. Not to mention what I say is not law and people don’t have to follow it. And housing is something to spend Gil on easily. I mean it’s 3m alone for a small house. Not everybody in FF14 has endless supply of money.

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There really isn't a good reason to keep prices high though. The items should be priced as low as reasonable, not as high as possible.

People who make 3m a week complaining about me, who has never had more than 3m in the entire time I've played the game, undercutting on the 'basically trash' items I'm just trying to get rid of asap.
First world problems.

noooo you can't just undercut meee and sell items for far cheaper and make less money!!

haha gil pouch go clink clink

I could care less about profit, just need to clear space and if I can help someone get better gear etc even better. It's a game want to prove how awesome you are do it on wall street, honestly don't need the drama in a game with fake money.

I mean, not to mention how SE absolutely destroyed the foundations of what made crafting advantageous on the MB. They made it easily accessible to everyone and there are many discord servers that spoon feed players by providing macros directly for their stats.

You can still make money via the marketboard but the golden age is over. There is going to be a steady overabundance of supply and lessening demand now that more people are self-sufficient. People don't have to think for themselves anymore when crafting, aren't putting in the same amount of effort as we use to have to and will just toss up their product not caring how it sells as long as it sells.

The healthiest thing is to just put things up at your price and forget about it, if you noticed it hasn't sold in a few days adjust your pricing. Undercutting has always been here to stay.

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Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

There really isn't a good reason to keep prices high though. The items should be priced as low as reasonable, not as high as possible.

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Why though?

Do you not value your time?

The market will bear what consumers are willing to pay. If prices are too high,people won't buy consistently until the prices drop. But of course this doesn't take into account botters and people who do not value their time.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

People who make 3m a week complaining about me, who has never had more than 3m in the entire time I've played the game, undercutting on the 'basically trash' items I'm just trying to get rid of asap.
First world problems.

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Not a complaint. Just an observation. Let's say X is selling for 75k daily, multiple times. It means, it's at the right price for buyers. Undercutting it to 50k is unlikely going to increase the demand significantly.

Also, I noticed your forum join date. It would appear you joined the game around the same time as me...how is it possible in 2 years, you've not had more than 3m considering that the game hands you gil for doing dailies/weeklies?

Perhaps, if you actually learned how to make the gil and the MB, you might not be in this situation.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Why though?

Do you not value your time?

The market will bear what consumers are willing to pay. If prices are too high,people won't buy consistently until the prices drop. But of course this doesn't take into account botters and people who do not value their time.



Not a complaint. Just an observation. Let's say X is selling for 75k daily, multiple times. It means, it's at the right price for buyers. Undercutting it to 50k is unlikely going to increase the demand significantly.

Also, I noticed your forum join date. It would appear you joined the game around the same time as me...how is it possible in 2 years, you've not had more than 3m considering that the game hands you gil for doing dailies/weeklies?

Perhaps, if you actually learned how to make the gil and the MB, you might not be in this situation.

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Because earning gil isn't a high priority for me.
I'm not interested in housing, or crafting. (but I have levelled crafters for the lore and ability to pentameld, which has actually cost me a few million in crafting gear)

I'm not sure what else I'm supposedly raking in the dosh with. Dailies barely give you enough to cover teleport fees.
I probably make around 1m a month, which gets spent on... general day to day stuff, and occasional gear for levelling jobs or glamour.
Occasionally my FC does maps, and very occasionally I get an expensive mat drop that sells for a million or so, so that's a very sporadic windfall every... 3 months maybe? Obviously it gets spent, because that's what gil is for.
If I ever have more than about 3m, that's usually when I say to myself "great, now I can buy that 1.5m glam piece I've been wanting for months."

My marketboard habits largely consist of drops that are selling for more than 1k a piece, so it's worth considerably more than the vend price, and usually in small quantities. So I'm not getting 50-75k per sale.
Anything less than 1k a piece and I'll probably vend it for pennies.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

I get annoyed by undercutters who are not bots, when they undercut massively on items which are selling consistently at certain price.

But 3m is not a lot. You can make that in 1 week or less doing stuff like roulettes as a tank or healer,crafting leves,treasure maps etc.

Housing is not an effective gil sink considering how this game throws gil at you like candy.

Would like to see apartments be upgradeable for gil.

Expensive mounts, glams,minions etc costing 50m gil or more.

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Wish my roulettes were so generous. 10k gil for tank needed. 3 million per week sounds like a no life mode to me

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Wish my roulettes were so generous. 10k gil for tank needed. 3 million per week sounds like a no life mode to me

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With adventurer in need:
Expert Roulette - 14k
Level 80 - 14k
Level 50-70 - 14k
Leveling - 20k
Trials - 16k
MSQ - 14k
Mentor -11k
Alliance raid- 19k
Normal raid - 13k

Total: ~135k
Source: https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Duty_Roulette

Not including the gil rewards for completing weekly challenges, selling off the tomestone mats,materia etc

If you combine roulette with treasure maps,hunts even more gil

Crystarium crafting leves will give you a minimum of ~1-2m for 100 leves/HQ hand ins.

Players having only 40 space on the marketboard is the problem.

People just want to sell quick and free up space for next items they are farming, and because they dont have it a lot they are going to undercut REALLY HARD.
The fact of SE completely screwing over economy of their game by crafting changes and etc does not help too. Once something new is out its price is only going down as the demand is getting lower and supply is getting higher with more players progressing into the certain spot where the items are crafted and dropped. Its not BDO where devs in this game manages their game economy carefully, making all activities profitable, nope in FFXIV the amount of gil making methods is limited to you either making millions a week or million a month.

FFXIV as the game itself does not handle its economy well, lesser the significance of gil, putting in more and more materials, heavily limiting marketplace for players, and these are results of lvl 80 equipment dropping in price from 1 mil to 50k.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

With adventurer in need:
Expert Roulette - 14k
Level 80 - 14k
Level 50-70 - 14k
Leveling - 20k
Trials - 16k
MSQ - 14k
Mentor -11k
Alliance raid- 19k
Normal raid - 13k

Total: ~135k
Source: https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Duty_Roulette

Not including the gil rewards for completing weekly challenges, selling off the tomestone mats,materia etc

If you combine roulette with treasure maps,hunts even more gil

Crystarium crafting leves will give you a minimum of ~1-2m for 100 leves/HQ hand ins.

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That's practically a day job. I get maybe Levelling and Alliance roulettes done most days, and the odd trial roulette.
All of that before you do any actually enjoyable content. That's definitely, as Jin put it, no life mode.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

That's practically a day job. I get maybe Levelling and Alliance roulettes done most days, and the odd trial roulette.
All of that before you do any actually enjoyable content. That's definitely, as Jin put it, no life mode.

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Look, I barely play the game these days and have stopped crafting for the MB. So most of my gil income is currently coming from the system.

If you don't want to do roulettes, there are Treasure Maps. Even the old maps like Gazelleskins will net you quite a bit before selling the crafting mats.

I get that some players don't enjoy grinding out for gil but at the same time, it's not difficult to make 3m a week.

The thing I hate the most is how people who just want to empty their inventory sell on mb instead of just vendoring. That way a lot of stuff is worth on the mb even less than vendor price cause everybody just undercuts. At this point we can just remove the mb, what's the point anyway if making money of what took you time and effort to get is apparently frowned upon?

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Look, I barely play the game these days and have stopped crafting for the MB. So most of my gil income is currently coming from the system.

If you don't want to do roulettes, there are Treasure Maps. Even the old maps like Gazelleskins will net you quite a bit before selling the crafting mats.

I get that some players don't enjoy grinding out for gil but at the same time, it's not difficult to make 3m a week.

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And I'm saying, making vast amounts of gil isn't so important to me that I would do all of that, consuming maybe 5 hours a day, and that's why I'm not a multi millionaire.
To explain to you and dispel your incredulity at me being a relative peasant and therefore not overly concerned with marketboard profits.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

The thing I hate the most is how people who just want to empty their inventory sell on mb instead of just vendoring. That way a lot of stuff is worth on the mb even less than vendor price cause everybody just undercuts. At this point we can just remove the mb, what's the point anyway if making money of what took you time and effort to get is apparently frowned upon?

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As I said earlier, I'll vend anything that's not listed for at least 1,000g on the MB, or I guess in some cases anything that's not at least 1,000g more than its vend price, although the vast majority of these things sell for tens of gil anyway. If it's less, then I'll just vend it.
It boggles me that people list items for vendor price, or less in some cases, but for some reason they do...

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

I’m not telling people what to do, that’s the issue here. I’m just stating what could be done.

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Except you did before you went and edited your OP.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

PSA for all you would be gil makers on the marketboards. I'm not here to argue, but seriously y'all. Stop undercutting prices so heavily . . . This just shouldn't happen. Please try to have better marketboard etiquette, price match, and we can all make good gil at the same pace. You're not going to make a buck quicker because you're more than likely going to be undercut and are contributing to tanking prices making things more difficult for everybody else.

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You are in fact attempting to shame people into doing what you want them to do. Classic manipulation strategy.

Undercuts thread by 1 gil

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Supply and demand

I thought they teach you basic economy of price driven by supply and demand in high school. Why this type of thread keeps pop up?

Spoken as if it wasn't stupid-easy to have 100x more gil than you actually need; and if you put any real effort into it, several times more gil than you could ever spend on anything.