Stupid random question but I why not. We got animal like races in XIV, Veiras, Miqo'tes, Roths and Au ras. They aren't treated as such in the game I don't think, like I don't think there's any animations that display different traits. Like ears flicking randomly or tails reacting to moods or whatever. But my stupid question is this, How do you think they view each other? Do you think or should Viera's look at Miqo's like losers? Do they get along with them better then say Au ra's? I know it's a stupid question but I guess I just think about silly things.
Also do you think about that at all or are they just humans with animal tails? I do kindof wish we got more animations from the emotes. Like being able to move your tail or ears or something. Also what's your fav tail or race and why? Mine is a cross between Viera, Miqo and Au ra. I like the idea that miqo's have different tails like the overly fluffy ones to the lion one. The lion one is the one true tail. I'mma stop rambling and hope I'm not being too stupid. :C Don't hate me... I just want to talk XIV.
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06-18-2020, 12:51 AMControllerNational Geo
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06-18-2020, 01:01 AMkaynide
While I’m not remembering anything specific, I do remember this was toyed with more in Final Fantasy 11, where the races were more tied to specific towns with a specific feel. In that game it was more about stereotypes (which sometimes NPCs actually reflected).
While I’m sure it exists in 14, I felt it was less about race than country of origin (eg. I’ve heard something like “Can’t trust an Ul’danian!” Or “Limsans just a bunch of pirates”)
Back to FF11 though, for example:
Roes (Galka) were seen as lumbering, less intelligent...even hints of slavery (they literally did actually have the lowest base intelligence stat)
Lalas (Tarutaru) were seen as manipulative/dishonest types that looked down on all others (literally had the highest base intelligence stat). I want to say the whole Lala Master Race joke we see originated in 11 and was actually somewhat supported by the NPCs in that game.
I wanna say Square got rid of as much of this as they could overtly because, well, times change and topics of race are a bit more...delicate. -
06-18-2020, 01:49 AMspf1200
The only such thing I'm aware of is that Duskwights are seen as untrustworthy. There are at least 2 quests that show they are not seen favorable by the other races
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06-18-2020, 02:30 AMViduFor this you need to take into account that at least on the Source the three races rarely come in contact with each other - its easy to forget with all those PC-Au ra and PC-Viera around, but speaking from a canon-lore perspective, Mi'qote mostly live in Eorzea (a lot of them even in tribes or close family structures, so not even in the cities - they tend to stick to themselves), Au Ra live in Hingashi (and again rather... hidden - Sui-no-Sato, hidden ninja villages in Doma, nomands in the Azim Step... and, also again, not mixing much with other races) and Viera live in Othard (most of them hidden in the Golmore Jungle, with only a very small amount living in Dalmasca before that got destroyed).Quote:
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I can think of three Au Ra right now who are roaming - or used to roam - Eorzea (Yugiri, Princess Yuki and Sidurgu) and I am only aware of one Viera (Sophie). I might be missing some, but it cant be an aweful lot. So the chances of an average Mi'qote encountering either of those races is pretty slim - and vice versa, with Mi'qote sticking to Eorzea only.
And even if we can only speculate in regards to the possibilty of Au ra and Viera meeting, I'd go with pretty slim aswell, given how secluded both of those races live for the most part.
So, generally speaking I dont think Viera as a whole group would have any opinions on Mi'qote - simply because they dont know that they exist in the first place.
In regards to Mi'qote the first lorebook states that living in cities must seem weird to them, because its so different from their own hunting culture (something both clans are extremly proud off), so I wouldnt be surprised if the Xaela and Viera way of living would earn their respect and understanding - would they ever happen to learn about it in the first place. -
06-18-2020, 02:31 AMLium
What the hell, I’ll just ask. What does this have to do with National Geographic?
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06-18-2020, 02:46 AMPacketdancer[ insert thousand-yard stare-into-the-void GIF on behalf of Ala Mhigans everywhere in Eorzea ]Quote:
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06-18-2020, 03:01 AMControllerOk you got me there... I loled. I was sitting here thinking of a title that wouldn't make people think I was asking a woke question since the state of the US right now. :C So here I was thinking and thinking and the only thing that came to mind since I was thinking about how animal like the races are, was National Geographic. I couldn't think of a better one. I'm sorry.Quote:
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06-18-2020, 03:02 AMShougun
I don't see too many race comments in FFXIV, definitely agree I saw mention of the dusk a few time though. They are there, just not as many as FFXI (from my memory, it's been ages.. maybe it was equal but from memory I feel it was quite a bit more often and just a prevalent thing to remark on in FFXI lol).
Honestly loved that part of FFXI, fantasy racism in games is hilarious and yet a bit realistic so it's like a dark comedy that adds pretty safe yet non-intrusive self critiquing... Allowing the game to touch on it without it feeling like the dev is slapping you in the face and being hypocritical/inconsistent for a video game (like telling someone they're a bad person for killing animals in a game, meanwhile the rest of the game you're killing people.. lol, which adds a feeling like whatever they say must be valueless then- imposing their 'lessons' like they're a superior figure). Which I think is great, it's funny, it's a bit realistic, and it generally critiques itself because of those two elements showing how silly racism really is- especially if they put a decent thought into it, to the humor and the situations (not so upfront that it grates on you like a lesson, adds world building/realism, demonstrates how silly it is to be that way because as a third party you can see the truth, doesn't require you to become unimmersed and see the obvious inconsistencies like killing people good but "this is thing that is less than ending a person's life is worse.. somehow"). Like why I think the whole nation v nation thing in game is fun, but silly in real life. I feel like it is an interesting type of comedy that has a nice balance of levity and seriousness (when done not for the shock factor, specifically at least). Color based though.. that needs significantly higher level of skill to tackle.. Too real, hard not recommend unless you're wanting to do some coal walking.
Dwarves giving elves crap while cliche gets me grinning, and again since it's fantasy so I think it both shows the silliness of racism but also can be taken very lightly and yet adds realism to the world as we know sometimes real life is just that sort of nonsense. Well at least myself. Everyone knows that's a bit subjective, some people can take/dish jokes on a group of people that were severely mistreated in a world war, that others would find that distasteful while, simultaneously being upset about a 'drop the body cleanser' joke. Not that I'm passing judgement in that example, it's merely an example that some people could be making one dark (very dark) joke but then find another dark joke unacceptable (neither of those two examples I'd recommend a game to use.. xD).
If anything I feel like the greater the issue our society has the better it would be some companies out there showing how silly it is (though that brings you into the crosshairs of the perpetually looking to manufacture and or greatly exacerbate outrage groups), but I find that showing the silliness method (soft hand, vs foie gras ham fist) a better way of teaching than "LOOK AT HOW RIGHTEOUS I AM, LOOK AT MY MORAL SUPERIORITY, IF YOU DON'T THINK LIKE ME- THE GREAT THINKER I AM, THEN YOU'RE THE PROBLEM, LOOK ONTO ME AND DESPAIR" (totally imagining this figurative hyperbolic example person being offered the one ring and having a melt down lol). A mindset that has always existed yet I feel thanks to the internet, with all it's echo chamber sharing (big back patting / self congratulating clubs), is now more and more popular. Part of the reason I love that this forum doesn't have downvotes or a way to easily mob hide another view point, well I guess you could say some stuff does get removed but to me the rules seem fairly simple and straight forward... don't post R18 content, swear at, or threaten people's well being.
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For the later part of the post I really liked Highlanders minus the no nipple and no eyebrow part. Still played one for years- still loved them, just wish the lalafells stopped shaving my brows at night while the frogs could stop applying nipple be gone balm every morning, and obviously I quite like Hrothgar as well (playing one now). Wish there were a few more heads or easier to switch hair types so you saw more face differences in the wild but I do really enjoy the way my character looks and the result of their race, and like usual the animations, of all the races (imo), have a lot of heart so of course I like that too.
While I don't say this as a death knell, the game is doing great money wise and will continue to do so for quite a while, I do hope to SE is secretly working on a technically more advanced MMO to be released in the future (FFXIV still has some life so not like this exact second, nor even this or next year, I definitely imagine at least easily another big expansion and content year)- so we could get those more free form system intensive actions that disregard older day concerns as much (which I feel chains FFXIV, sometimes, even we get silly stuff like some mogshop purchases can't be account bound due to memory issues). Like character creation options (instead of face 1 2 3 4, that's it- like a few of our races with some more powerful sliders could look significantly unique, hrothgar skinny boi vs thicc daddy lol), allowing animations to be easier to make dynamic (some animations have beautifully done wobbles and bounces built in, but it seems pre-rendered vs letting the system act out something consistently natural with gentle physics), more memory generous design decisions like a complete glamour log (heading towards many western MMO's huge allowance)/far less constrained housing or at least personal airships, not asking for 4K textures but near pixeless designs (even WoW's recent content is pretty hard to 'spot the big pixel' unlike say some armors or plants in FFXIV which is like a 10 Ilm pixel staring you straight in the eyes- which isn't a comment on aesthetic design, FFXIV is great there, just levels of detail the system allows), etc (I know a huge pain but I'd also love to see it be open world lol). -
06-18-2020, 03:03 AMMorningstar1337
The funny thing is that the original playable races were more humanlike then their XI counterparts
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06-18-2020, 03:05 AMControllerYou know what... I'll be honest. I was thinking about this from the PC's pov. I didn't even think about lore wise. And damn you're right, lore wise they would hardly if ever meet to form any kind of opinions. With that said though, how do you feel about them? Should they be more animal like? Should they have more emotes with their tails or ears in the case of Viera? Or should they remain pretty much anime people with anime animal ears? I kindof wish we got more random stuff ingame.. like their sleeping habits or whatnot. I dunno why but I'm digging myself a huge rabbit hole with this train of thought.Quote:
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06-18-2020, 03:09 AMLiumOkay gotcha.Quote:
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As for different racial animations, miqote do actually do different things with their tail. I know on this character, when she laughs or is surprised her tail goes strait up. Don’t know about the other races, though. -
06-18-2020, 03:34 AMCanada_bangs
That'll be cool if we got more tail emotes. Or in my case ear motes. Still getting used to being a bun
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06-18-2020, 03:40 AMViduTo speak from the WoL point of view, I dare say that our character has seen stranger things than Au Ra and Viera... and you can obviously roleplay as a Mi'qote who thinks that Viera and Au Ra are beneath them (not saying you do, just that you could)!Quote:
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I'd also have this vague collection of reading somewhere that Mi'qote (lorewise) arent to fond off being associated to cats, but I just cant find it - so that might be some fanfic-canon type of think (but anyone can point me to the official source that I might got this from, I'd be glad!).
Either way, I would assume that the races dont think of themselves as "humans with animal parts"...
Personally - and this is very personal opinion, but you seem to ask for it - I dont care much for any of those races. I'm a fan of a certain very cute Mi'qote emote (/grovel) that has a very cute animation for female Mi'qote and I can understand the wish for better ear/tail animations.
But even that wouldnt change the fact that Mi'qote and Au Ra arent for me personally - they're to cute for my taste (...that sounds weird, sorry!). Viera might have had a chance if they'd been there at release, but I've found my ideal character with my FemRoe. I'd imagine that the whole lack of tail/ear-animation is much more noticeable if you see them (or not see them, I guess) on your character everyday, but since I've never experience that and dont ever plan to, I'll take the very personal and ignorant stance of saying: I dont care. I understand why others might, though.
So, I guess... I dont really feel about them at all? /shrug
I was mainly trying to answer a lore-questions - that something I care more about than animations of races I have no intend of playing, sorry! -
06-18-2020, 03:41 AMsarehptar
I think some of the models have less animation to their animal parts that others. I can only speak for what I've played, but male miqo'te have options in the emotes to wiggle their ears, wag and/or angrily thrash their tails, "bristle" their fur, and a paws-up-ears-down frightened pose. Certain poses will make the male miqo'te ears stand up in surprise and IIRC there's at least one other pose that looks a bit like a cat washing its face. I noticed when I fantasia'd to female miqo'te for a while that the tail seemed a lot more "dead" and not very animated in comparison.
Got an Au Ra alt and Au Ra tails... are just... there. I don't think there's any emotes I've seen so far that especially take advantage of Au Ra's non-human parts. (Why do they not have an emote to nervously scratch at their scales???)
In terms of lore, I do kind of wish they'd do more with it. Like, Au Ra players just strolling into Ishgard looking like dragons with no problems, and Encyclopedia Eorzea had a whole "in-universe" news article about how miqo'te are basically a beast tribe and yet none of the characters treat us remotely differently.My fur is nice goddammit, someone should comment on it.I wish there were some side quests that related to each race or that changed based on your race so that the game had some spot to actually acknowledge the PC's race choice.
As for the races themselves, the only thing that I always found odd was that Viera are based on rabbits, one of the quintessential prey species, and yet they're ferocious hunters in FF lore. Nature is confused. Adding hrothgar also made me wonder if miqo'te really are an entirely separate race or if, over time, they could have evolved as a the result of hrothgar marrying into other races like hyur. Or perhaps a common cat ancestor... I also feel like the Au Ra backstory is under-developed. Like miqo'te and hrothgar are obviously cat/big-cat-based, Viera obviously rabbit-based... Au Ra... are lizards? Have the very similar horn trait that lots of dragons in-game have but apparently aren't dragons? Were supposed to be based on voidsent and then that got scrapped? They're just kind of generic scaly people and I wish they'd gotten more story or at least in-game speculation about how horns and tails developed for in their race. -
06-18-2020, 03:52 AMViduJust to point out how bad the game really is at taking the PCs race into consideration: I used to play a Duskwight Elezen - as someone already mentioned there are certain... stereotypes about Duskwights, one might even go so far to go to discrimination and racism.Quote:
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Anyways, there is this one mail-moggle questline in Ul'dah, revolving around the gladiators you fight at the end of Halatali HM. One of them is a Duskwight Elezen and I dont recall the excat circumstances but some kind of crime has happend and it gets blamed on said Elezen on the grounds that he is a Duskwight and therefor cant be trusted. All of that is discussed with/in front of your character - in my case a bloody Duskwight Elezen! And fair enough, my character is the Warrior of Light, blablabla, but it still made for a very odd moment... -
06-18-2020, 03:53 AMControllerWhy are you sorry, Both answers are great. I'm not a karen :D All jokes aside, I didn't know the lore even went into that much detail, it's hard to view miqo's and Vieras as rare when we're all over the place. Though you made me think about something else... but I'll leave that for another day.Quote:
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06-18-2020, 04:42 AMPacketdancerOh, there's definitely lore about Au Ra strolling into Coerthas looking like dragons ending poorly; Sidurgu Orl would have opinions on that topic. You could assume that an Au Ra PC skates by virtue of being a ward of House Fortemps and thus protected by them, but I do agree that Au Ra seeing some different content in interacting with Ishgardians—and possibly even the heretics—would have been interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarehptar
I've never played a lalafell, but I've been told some of the dwarven content in Shadowbringers does change when you're a lalafell, and I've been shown that some of the incidental dialogue in the Monster Hunter crossover questline in Stormblood is different for miqo'te. And there have been nods in some questlines/cutscenes since Stormblood to the job you're playing at the time (Krile acknowledging you're a healer in one cutscene, Scholars having an additional response available during one part of Eden, etc.), so they might be edging towards doing a little more conditional content like that?Quote:
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06-18-2020, 04:47 AMsarehptarYeah, if you're playing Au Ra and you do the DRK questline you have the awkward opportunity to hear all about how Ishgard slaughtered all the Au Ra refugees except for one... and you... And yet no one in Ishgard will say a word about you being blatantly covered in scales.Quote:
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06-18-2020, 05:08 AMsarehptarYes, that's what I meant. Ishgard killed all their Au Ra refugees but one, then when you walk in the door with horns and spiky scales they're like "I'm looking away. I do not see." Not even a word from Estinien either. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Packetdancer
Yes, I did hear about the dwarf content changing a bit for lalafells (plus the lalafell-only house) and the Monster Hunter dialogue option was hilarious, but I think what I'd like to see is something specific to each race; for example, if you're playing miqo'te you get invited to join a miqo'te tribe's special hunt, if you're playing lalafell you get to go on an expedition into Nymian ruins or something, if you're playing a Viera on the First maybe you get to travel with a Viera who is leaving the forest for the first time and introduce her to the cool things/people you've met on the First. Stuff like that, where being part of the race would change how the experience is viewed. -
06-18-2020, 05:13 AMTeraRamis
Forgotten Springs in Southern Thanalan is sort of an ethically-linked place. All Miqo'te of one tribe.
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07-06-2020, 07:10 PMViduSorry for the necro (is this already considered a necro?), but I'm kinda excited that I found the bit of lore I was thinking about! ...to give fair credit: I asked my partner and he rememberd...Quote:
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Anyways! The description of the Fat Cat minion states the following: "Despite convincing research by top academics from around the realm and beyond, most Miqo'te scholars refuse to believe that there may be some ancestral connection between their race and cats (fat or not)."
While these descriptions are always supposed to be a bit funny and need to be taken with a grain of salt, it does seem to imply that Mi'qote rather not think of themselves as cats or having any strong relation to those animals. -
07-06-2020, 08:08 PMAlestorm
I mean people seem to not like Keeper Miqo'te since they are viewed as poachers in Gridania, Duskwight Elezen are hated seemingly just because their mistrusting (and Duskwight themselves hate everyone). I could see a respect between Miqos and Vierra since both are pretty traditional and hunters.
As far as the cities go... it seems like it's more region based as previously stated. People from Ul'dah are greedy merchants, Limsa are pirates/thieves/killers, and Gridania are pretty much isolationists and only dealing with others because of the Garlean's invasions. -
07-07-2020, 05:53 AMRofel
I love this post's title.
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07-23-2020, 01:24 PMController
Now I'm curious... how many people saw my title and the theme music popped up. Matter of fact.. how many people hate me for that now? >.>
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07-23-2020, 03:12 PMkelevra13No hate, but it did make me click to see what the discussion would be about XD.Quote:
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