99% good glamours include paid idems - and this is a problem.

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It's optional. also glamor choices and opinions on glamor are highly subjective. And as well, if you don't have the money for it, then well you need to make more money IRL so you can glam yourself up.

also cash shops and MMO's go together like PB and J.

So you'd rather grind for hours to obtain optional video game items instead of you know... actually working to just buy whatever you want. Your time must be hella cheap to make this kind of suggestion.

There's a great wealth of glam opportunities between the crafted and dungeon/raid/etc gears and various dyes, so I'm sad to hear you feel that way about the 'vanilla' options available.

Subjective opinion is subjective. I can only think of one occasion when I was browsing through the Eorzean Collection and Garland Tools looking for items for a glamour just to find the item I liked best was from the cash shop.

Sometimes I think the only reason people go nuts over the cash shop items is because they're given such high visibility on the launcher and Lodestone compared to items obtained in-game. It's always funny to see the sudden rush of people wearing the latest mogstation glamour the day it comes out just for those glamours to almost completely disappear from view two weeks later because everyone has gone back to their glamours made from in-game items. If the mogstation glamours were so very superior as you say, that wouldn't happen.

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Everything is optional. Playing FFXIV at all is optional itself. But it doesn't cancels that it's very greedy move to locking so much content behind paywall while leaving so little options for free in a paid game with a paid subscription in the world where people are managing to make free to play games without pay to win and without locking content behind paywall at all.

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This game has zero content locked behind any Mogstation paywall. None at all.

The only content in the game that can be accessed solely through Mogstation is the Ceremony of Eternal Bonding and even that is free. The paid options are for additional customization features for the ceremony.

Don't confuse content with the items used to customize that content. The glamour system is the content in this case. The only way to unlock it is to do a level 15 quest in Vesper Bay. There is no Mogstation paid option that will unlock the glamour system for you and allow you to bypass doing that quest.

I've put together a lot of glamours I really enjoy using things farmed from dungeons, crafted, quested, etc. I'm definitely going to have to disagree on this one, but it's also a purely subjective topic as to what 'good' is.

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yes, I've put together many glamours together from dungeons and so, but it's just good. It's nothing that makes you say "wow, that looks nice". And they are more or less same looking. Cheap, plain, just better than default look of eden armor but not more than that. It's nothing that would make people check where you got it from. These ones hardlocked behind paywall.

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While it is a matter of taste there is a whole lot of glamour options in game that made me go "Wow, that looks really nice! Lets see where its from..." - and then the item in question turned out to be something that I can, in theory, earn in game but is hard locked behind something like Savage (often old Savage content that no one actually does anymore but thats still not so faceroll easy that I could solo-farm it or clear it with clueless people) or a huge amount of PvP (I really LOVE that Filed Commanders Coat and I think I "only" need about 16 more Seal Rock wins for it? But getting those and getting the 84 wins I have so far took an aweful long time - and anyone who isnt into PvP who might see this coat could very well just thinkin "Jep, not gonna bother") or any other type of content - Eureka comes to mind, for example - that could very well like more of a "wall" to a lot of people than paying for the item on the mogstation.

My point basically is: There is a lot of glamour-options in game and they're actually by no means of lesser quality than what we got on the mogstation. And a lot of the nice ingame items are even more hardlocked than a mogstation outfit to most people - I dont want to come off as insensitive to people with a lower income who might struggle to pay for these things (with money that apparently helps fund the game directly, instead of going into the general SE-budget like our sub-money and therefor helps the development of the game while also keeping our sub-cost at the level they are), but the fact is that a lot of nice looking gear is locked behind some kind of wall - skill, time, "luck" (when it comes to frontline PvP it feels more like that...) and yes, money aswell.

There are a tone of glamour options that are fairly easy available - 95% of my personal glamours are build using those easy options and I run into people wearing intresting looking pieces of gear that are genderlocked or job-locked or sometimes even race-locked more often than I run into people wearing something from the mogstation that makes me go "Wow, there is no way I can create a similar looking and equally beautiful glamour without paying for this outfit on the mogstation!"
At the end of the day its obviously a matter of taste when it comes to what you think looks "beautiful" - but I cant say that I see a better or higher quality from the mogstation items than the ingame ones. They still have terrible clipping (in case of the things that came over from the korean/chinese version the clipping is often even worse) and crappy textures.

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yes, I've put together many glamours together from dungeons and so, but it's just good. It's nothing that makes you say "wow, that looks nice". And they are more or less same looking. Cheap, plain, just better than default look of eden armor but not more than that. It's nothing that would make people check where you got it from. These ones hardlocked behind paywall.

You're confusing what is content. Every item is content. Having something locked behind paywall is alright, but in this case it's just a whole lot.

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Again I'd definitely disagree. Every time I go browsing for glamour ideas on websites/groups/etc, my favorites haven't ever included anything from the cash shop. I think your tastes are just in line with those particular clothing sets.

I generally agree with the OP though with regards to seasonal items I really like how FFXIV handled them. They gave value for being there to participate in that year's festivities, and it feels really awesome, though at the same time it's not impossible to get that item if you missed it. It exists somewhere, eventually, and it tends to be really cheap.

I have less positive feelings on a lot of the other stuff. Especially as someone who plays a character who is supposed to be from the Far East, there's not a lot of great options, especially those that are not Japanese. The Ryumyaku stuff can kind of pass for Tang Dynasty-esque stuff though I wish I had more glam items representing east Asian cultures or inspired by them. I totally ate up stuff like the ao dai or taoist stuff, though begrudgingly forked over money for some of the stuff they made for the Chinese and Korean clients.

As the others have said, it's subjective but I think there are so many gorgeous things within the game itself.

I bought a few things but they only make up a small fraction of the outfits I've made, and most of the things I use regularly are completely made from in-game pieces. (At a quick count, maybe 10% of my outfits would require purchased items, and half of those are the cheap ex-event pieces - some of which I did get from the events.)

MS items tend to have specific looks that are hard to replicate with in-game items, but they're not necessarily any better.

A lot of the time, it's better to mix and match parts of different sets as it makes for much nicer outfits than putting all the pieces of a set together. This goes for both in-game and bought items, but a lot of the bought ones are full-length so they're less customisable.

If you want inspiration, go browse Eorzea Collection:
https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/glamours

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As the others have said, it's subjective but I think there are so many gorgeous things within the game itself.

I bought a few things but they only make up a small fraction of the outfits I've made, and most of the things I use regularly are completely made from in-game pieces. (At a quick count, maybe 10% of my outfits would require purchased items, and half of those are the cheap ex-event pieces - some of which I did get from the events.)

MS items tend to have specific looks that are hard to replicate with in-game items, but they're not necessarily any better.

A lot of the time, it's better to mix and match parts of different sets as it makes for much nicer outfits than putting all the pieces of a set together. This goes for both in-game and bought items, but a lot of the bought ones are full-length so they're less customisable.

If you want inspiration, go browse Eorzea Collection:
https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/glamours

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https://xivstyle.com/ also has a (slightly outdated) catalogue of every single gearset sorted by ilevel and source. the Gamerescape wiki's gear pages also has every set and individual piece with photos of every race/gender wearing them to help preview them as well (and specific source, down to the exact chests in a dungeon they can appear in).

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on a personal note, i'm not too huge a fan of the majority of mogstation glam gear; on top of them largely being out of my "casually drop money on" pricerange, many of them are separated... oddly, which makes them hard to work in for glams. a big example is hien's glamour set--the gloves are only the hand part, and not the wrist parts literally attached to them--those are part of the torso for some reason)

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yes, I've put together many glamours together from dungeons and so, but it's just good. It's nothing that makes you say "wow, that looks nice". And they are more or less same looking. Cheap, plain, just better than default look of eden armor but not more than that. It's nothing that would make people check where you got it from. These ones hardlocked behind paywall.

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This remains entirely subjective. I can speak only for myself but a number of my favourite outfits include:

- Midan sets
- Neo-Ishgard sets
- Dalmascan Draped Top
- Rebal/Urban Coat
- Singlet
- Hempen Camise (Miqo preference here)
- Thavnairian Sandals
- Several Artifact sets

Honestly, the list goes on. And not a single item there costs a dime extra. Admittedly, I do think the foot options are a bit lacking. But otherwise, there are plenty of glamour options that aren't Mogstation exclusive that are pretty snazzy.

While I am not one of those who thinks the cash shop needs to go, I do think there shouldn't be anything in there you can't earn in-game if you choose to do so. You could earn some kind of tome or points, or use your achievement points, to spend in there as well as cash.

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https://xivstyle.com/ also has a (slightly outdated) catalogue of every single gearset sorted by ilevel and source. the Gamerescape wiki's gear pages also has every set and individual piece with photos of every race/gender wearing them to help preview them as well (and specific source, down to the exact chests in a dungeon they can appear in).

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The sites work together, I guess. XIV Style is a straightforward catalogue of sets; the wiki is less friendly for browsing but more informational if you want to look up something specific you already know about; EC is "what can I do with them?"

(The Gamer Escape link is broken, by the way. I think because it's missing a closing quote mark.)

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on a personal note, i'm not too huge a fan of the majority of mogstation glam gear; on top of them largely being out of my "casually drop money on" pricerange, many of them are separated... oddly, which makes them hard to work in for glams. a big example is hien's glamour set--the gloves are only the hand part, and not the wrist parts literally attached to them--those are part of the torso for some reason)

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I think it's because of how the pieces interact with each other. Hien's coat sleeve is below-elbow-length and I'm fairly sure it would tuck into elbow-length gloves, so they have to go to the next level down which is wrist-length gloves.

For something similar in-game, look at the Neo-Ishgardian aiming set, which from the concept art has one long glove over the left sleeve and a short glove under the right sleeve. That has also been implemented with wrist-length gloves and the rest of the left glove integrated into the shirt.

yeah, generally I'll browse eorzeacollection for something interesting or flip through xivstyle when trying to find stuff on a specific theme (like "samurai tank" or "armored caster"), then find the pieces on the gamerescape wiki for a closer look and finding where it's from if i'm looking to farm it.

My personal favorites tend to be the PVP animaliege gear, the Contest winners for Caster and Healer, Thav Dancer set, the Gordean sets and the Tamano headband among others. All of which can be obtained in game.

The few glamour sets I'm interested in from Mogstation would be last year's seasonal glam (Werewolf costume, Songbird get-up and Faire swimsuits) As well as the Legacy Warrior Mail all of which were in-game first(in fact I get the latter during its respective event). And even then I'm currently only use gone piece form these sets (Werewolf ears)

If I really, really, REALLY want candy, I'll get out and go to kiosk or grocery store or something and buy the candy : )
What I won't do is sit around on the internet writing seething criticism about other people having candy and my grand self not being just... granted candy, or something.
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"That's not the same! >: (", "hur dur logical fallacy you peabrain"? - I don't care.
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IRL I am poor and disabled mofo of a person. I neither just simply can buy all the junk I simply just want, real or digital or whatever. Gotta save for that if I do want to acquire my junk, and even that is not enough always and in every case. There is lot of junk out of my reach. But Mogstation junk is not part of that flavour of junk.
It'd take forever, BUT if I wanted to buy everything last thing from Mogstation, there is not one item I could not buy if I saved month of two for one item at the time.
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I bought some other junk this month. Probably should not have, but that pushed back my plan to buy Fuga Attire for couple of weeks : ) But it's ok, I'll be more careful with my candy money next month.

I actually think the game offers quite a bit of nice glamour to buy. Having played a lot of good old koreans P2W, I can tell you they had absolutely zero glamour accessible in game— it was all in the cash shop, which was really disappointing frankly.

Just off the top of my head, there's the Ao Dai, the Dalsmascan set, the Thavnarian dress... I actually think they give us nice options, accessible in game, even thought it could be at the cost of heavy grinding for most.

Sure there are beautiful glamour on the Mog Station, but it's not like it's the only option to get glamour.

Glamours are entirely subjective. What you think is good might well be horrible to me.

I personally dislike most of the Mogstation glamours because they're too obvious. You can't combine them into different looks to get the effect you're after because they're too much 'themselves'. And why would I want to look like Minfilia? That's completely lacking in any creativity. I love the wings on the Mog Station fae outfit but you can't just buy the wings, so no thanks. I bought the Blackbosom stuff only for the boots (it was on sale at the time). I got the XP boosting set mostly for the XP although that set IS pretty good at mix and match stuff.

My thing is mixing up gear from lots of different places so that my outfit is unique, therefore I avoid the Mog Station stuff like the plague. If they sold more mix and match options I'd buy them. But I totally disagree that the only 'good' options are on the Mog Station