Rescue needs changed and/or removed

Rescue is one of the biggest troll buttons in the game. I get it's usefulness when used properly, but too often it's used to troll people and kill them for "fun".

I would like one of 2 things to happen to rescue:

1. It gets removed from the game all together (Not very likely to happen)
2. They add an option to your user settings that will either allow or deny Rescue to work on you.

Please SE, can we make this happen? I'm really tired of being killed by trolling Healers.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Azorius

It gets removed from the game all together (Not very likely to happen)

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Actually I think it is fairly likely, the devs sure dont shy away from deleting healer moves.

I can't say I've had this happen to me very often.
The rare times it has, it was always an accident.

It's a useful skill when used well.

Just stop pissing off your healers. :P

WoW had a similar problem when they gave everyone a similar ability through a toy, they added another toy that'd make you immune to it for a couple hrs (permanent reusable item). Could do that if it's that big of an issue I suppose, I've yet to see it happen myself.

I'll stop using rescue when people stay in my heal/buff range.

I've had too many weaker divinations or have to waste extra ogcds that didn't need to be wasted due to half the range spread everywhere and thats way more frequent to happen than a rescue misuse.

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Originally Posted by althenawhm

Actually I think it is fairly likely, the devs sure dont shy away from deleting healer moves.

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This hurts me.

Remove rescue and how are healers gonna get back at Corey for cleaving them? ������

Remove rescue and how are healers gonna get back at Corey for cleaving them?

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I'll stop using rescue when people stay in my heal/buff range.

I've had too many weaker divinations or have to waste extra ogcds that didn't need to be wasted due to half the range spread everywhere and thats way more frequent to happen than a rescue misuse.

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Rescue a DPS out of a mechanic.

They proceed to pop Sprint just so they can get back in time to eat the mechanic. "Healer y u no adjust."

I'd like Rescue to have a shorter cooldown. Maybe a charge system. Perhaps it can holmgang the target to you as well? These are sarcastic ideas, calm down.

I hardly ever see rescue used to troll people. I actually can't even remember it happening once outside of groups of friends.

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Originally Posted by Erit

I'd like Rescue to have a shorter cooldown. Maybe a charge system. Perhaps it can holmgang the target to you as well? These are sarcastic ideas, calm down.

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Sarcastic, you say, but dear goodness I needed those last night for the Lv50 archer in Halatali who kept fetching more enemies for the newbie tank...

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Originally Posted by Lux_Azorius

Rescue is one of the biggest troll buttons in the game. I get it's usefulness when used properly, but too often it's used to troll people and kill them for "fun".

I would like one of 2 things to happen to rescue:

1. It gets removed from the game all together (Not very likely to happen)
2. They add an option to your user settings that will either allow or deny Rescue to work on you.

Please SE, can we make this happen? I'm really tired of being killed by trolling Healers.

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I don't know about you, but I use it a lot to save people during runs in LoTA. It's very useful when people are new to a run and healers are saving them from a mechanic they aren't aware of, or when needing to rescue a BLM who doesn't want to move from his leylines and wants to finish casting that Fire spell and rather eat another mechanic than stop casting. And yes, if I see the tank just a couple of steps AWAY from my AoE Ground heal that's about to detonate, you bet I'm going to rescue them into that heal.

The only times I've seen healers misuse rescue is when you piss them off or intentionally troll them. Don't piss off your healers. They are not healbots who will adjust to your every whim - they're players.

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Originally Posted by althenawhm

Actually I think it is fairly likely, the devs sure dont shy away from deleting healer moves.

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If they take away RDM's backflips since they backflip over the stage, or BLM's Leylines/between the lines, Aetherial Manipulation to encourage BLM to start dodging mechanics and any other job with a disposition, I'll be fine if they took away healer's rescue.
Sounds like a terrible idea? That's because it is. Rescue can be very useful when used correctly, but so can RDM's backflips to dodge mechanics. However, just because they can cause deaths, doesn't mean their usage should be taken away. The same thing applies here. I've seen way more good on rescue than bad exactly because of how many people who just refuse to do mechanics or stand in AoE Heals.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

I hardly ever see rescue used to troll people. I actually can't even remember it happening once outside of groups of friends.

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I've seen Re-screw exactly twice, both of them yesterday. Queued into Trial Roulette on my Warrior, it was Ifrit, soon as I got into my Berserk groove I'm suddenly sliding across the arena towards the White Mage. And then the Gunbreaker gets yoink'd to the other healer, carrying fire-doggo across the arena and cleaving like half the party.

I'm almost willing to attribute both of those to just fat-fingering since both of the healers were very confused when called on it. But it's also entirely possible they were just pranksters in cahoots.

I have yet to encounter this being used as a troll tactic; and while I won't deny that this can happen, I think the people who use this as a basis to call for a removal of the ability are grossly overblowing any real "issue." I see Provoke being used as a 'trolling' tactic to mess with boss positioning who happen to have cleaves. Can we change/remove that too? /sarcasm.

I imagine that you can deal with healers that you're positive are doing this out of spite the same way as any healer who refuses to actually heal anybody or any player who makes it their goal to be an active hindrance: Vote kick.

Rescue in itself is a good ability, but ideally I'd rather it be given a faster reaction similar to BLM's Ethereal Manipulation, if that's even possible. Because of latency and server ticks, I only find myself using Rescue when there's enough time for me to rationalize 'yeah, they're not gonna move' - Amon being the prime example - but for faster scenarios like say, E4, chances are I'd end up dragging people into the aoe instead.

No.
Rescue is a very useful tool when used correctly and this isn't discounted by the fact that some people use it to troll by temporarily moving you slightly.
If they do it multiple times and it results in you dying, and you know for certain they weren't trying to help, feel free to report for harassment.

And in a not-so-pertinent-but-related tangent, a member of my FC recently passed away, he was the joker of the group and would regularly rescue us in our FC-only Trials runs, it was his thing. We just commemorated him in game by, among other things, doing an all-healer min ilvl dungeon run and Rescuing each other into certain death.
So outside of PUG runs where people are expected to play responsibly, it's actually quite a lot of fun to troll each other with it.

The amount of times I've rescued a bard standing in Narnia into my soil/asylum/star and I've had them immediatly run back to Narnia tells me rescue should have a shorter cooldown, maybe it should add a "leash" debuff to the target dragged in as well forcing them to follow you until you release it so the brainless wonders can actually get healed or do mechanics properly for a change Only some of that was /s

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Originally Posted by Erit

Rescue a DPS out of a mechanic.

They proceed to pop Sprint just so they can get back in time to eat the mechanic. "Healer y u no adjust."

I'd like Rescue to have a shorter cooldown. Maybe a charge system. Perhaps it can holmgang the target to you as well? These are sarcastic ideas, calm down.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

The amount of times I've rescued a bard standing in Narnia into my soil/asylum/star and I've had them immediatly run back to Narnia tells me rescue should have a shorter cooldown, maybe it should add a "leash" debuff to the target dragged in as well forcing them to follow you until you release it so the brainless wonders can actually get healed or do mechanics properly for a change Only some of that was /s

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A kindred spirit, I see.

A successful Rescue feels amazing. I wouldn't want to lose the validation I get from timing it right. They already took so much. Please let me have nice things!

Yeah no. Rescue is great. I've been farming Orbonne for Mog Tomes and I can't tell you how many times I've had to use it to drag people into the 3 person platforms or position them manually because they aren't moving with the growing dome marker during the Thunder God. Can it be troll-ish? Yeah, sure. I had a pair the other day, also in Orbonne, where the healer was trolling their own friend the whole time. Which I suppose is a lesser evil than trolling a stranger but it kept resulting in the healer and their friend dying and leftt me solo healing and trying to get them back up. So I left them dead and the DPS apparently agreed because so did our Redmages. I did also have a Lallafel rage at me for rescuing them from an AoE. 'I HAVE BEEN HERE MANY A TIME SO PLEASE DO NOT RESCUE ME.' They were dead 30 seconds later. Long story short, it should stay and I'm actually starting to agree with the shorter cooldown or charge system suggestions made in jest.

My only issue with rescue is it’s cooldown is too long I usually use it maybe once per dungeon for stupid reasons like out running the tank or physical DPS so I rescue them closer, or to stack. I never use it to trick people I don’t know that’s how you get kicked

I sometimes pull brainlet red mages into my sacred soil/asylum, because they shouldn't be off in Africa vercuring themselves and knee-capping their DPS. Then they run right back and say "Don't do that again".

Morons.

It's one of the fewest interesting abilities added since SB for healers.
OP is talking about downgrade this role even more and reduce the fun with that.
Sure SE has marked this thread with red flag.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

I don't know about you, but I use it a lot to save people during runs in LoTA. It's very useful when people are new to a run and healers are saving them from a mechanic they aren't aware of, or when needing to rescue a BLM who doesn't want to move from his leylines and wants to finish casting that Fire spell and rather eat another mechanic than stop casting. And yes, if I see the tank just a couple of steps AWAY from my AoE Ground heal that's about to detonate, you bet I'm going to rescue them into that heal.

The only times I've seen healers misuse rescue is when you piss them off or intentionally troll them. Don't piss off your healers. They are not healbots who will adjust to your every whim - they're players.



If they take away RDM's backflips since they backflip over the stage, or BLM's Leylines/between the lines, Aetherial Manipulation to encourage BLM to start dodging mechanics and any other job with a disposition, I'll be fine if they took away healer's rescue.
Sounds like a terrible idea? That's because it is. Rescue can be very useful when used correctly, but so can RDM's backflips to dodge mechanics. However, just because they can cause deaths, doesn't mean their usage should be taken away. The same thing applies here. I've seen way more good on rescue than bad exactly because of how many people who just refuse to do mechanics or stand in AoE Heals.

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You want to take away BLM's movement tools that they use to dodge mechanics and get back into position quickly as a way to encourage them to dodge more? Hello? Are you okay?

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

You want to take away BLM's movement tools that they use to dodge mechanics and get back into position quickly as a way to encourage them to dodge more? Hello? Are you okay?

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Next line: "Sounds like a terrible idea? That's because it is."

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

You want to take away BLM's movement tools that they use to dodge mechanics and get back into position quickly as a way to encourage them to dodge more? Hello? Are you okay?

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Reading Comprehension: Zero.

Rescue is great. I’ve had to use it plenty of times to save DPS from getting killed. Used it a couple of times to get the players attention that they had to stand at a certain spot. It’s fun to use.

The skill misses a real animation/visual effect imo, it could be an instant TP for exemple but i find it useful, the main trouble is the players who don't know how to use it properly.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

You want to take away BLM's movement tools that they use to dodge mechanics and get back into position quickly as a way to encourage them to dodge more? Hello? Are you okay?

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I like how you would selectively not read the other part on the bottom but sure.
At any rate, my point still stands. Rescue's benefits outweigh the its bad points and should not be removed.

It needs to be changed yes.

Changed to be MUCH more responsive. Because currently it activates way too slow (like everything in FFXIV honestly). It seems to need to calculate

1) Where you are.
2) That you used the ability
3) Who you used it on
4) Where they are
5) Where they need to be.

It could be a full 1 - 1.5 seconds from when you actually press the button to when the person you use it on goes to where they need to be, meaning there's a good chance they will die. I've "Rescued" many people who's corpse floats over to me (always get a laugh out of that). Add to the above list:

1) You recognize something is going to kill someone if they don't move NOW.
2) Mouse mouse over them / or click them
3) Hit rescue
4) Repeat previous 1-5 calculations.

Now the above is even harder on a PS4 where targeting specific players in a PITA.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Now the above is even harder on a PS4 where targeting specific players in a PITA.

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Very much so. The thing with PS4 targeting is that it uses the D-pad buttons, which are also skill buttons while you're holding R2, so I can't be preparing to hit the button until I've set the target first. Rescue is also situational enough that I can't afford to have it on the top layer of buttons.

So it's:

1. Identify that person is in trouble

2. Target the right person in the list (4-5 presses)

3. Press R2 (or double-tap R2 for the expanded menu) to activate skills

4. Press Rescue

5. Hope it works.

It's only really successful if I'm certain ahead of time that the person will need rescuing, and it's still a lot of buttons to do it at the right moment.

I honestly hate it. Out of all the times I had it used on me, 2 were actually to save me, the rest to troll. And it's not fun and it also kills people. And no, I don't piss healers off, people just find it fun to use rescue to kill or as a pet yanking leash.
As for using it myself, I've used it in LotA a few times but I mostly find it too clunky to actually rescue when needed.

It has a nasty delay... I understand why it's there but geez, it's like I need to see into the future before using it. I've had one person die during transit because of the delay, thus the server was like "derr derr he was still there even though he aint".

The skill whas more useful in stormblood were physical ranged didn’t had arms length. Now I don’t even bother too use reduce anymore in random groups. Because if he doesn’t stand in my healing field and dies I don’t need too rezz him.