Revamp Dungeons

We’ve been doing and will be doing every dungeon over and over again. Even if we add new dungeons we’re going to be doing them over and over again. Why not add more versions of the old dungeons that get randomly selected when players queue up.

Why not mix up the bosses in different arenas. Maybe have some of the bosses walk around in the dungeon and be fought anywhere.

Perhaps even have a random nemesis attack a party member who drops loot and experience points when defeated by the group, but disappears if targeted player is killed or party wipes. Maybe add an ally that randomly appears to help one of the players because of some high score they obtained in the at the Gold Saucer or they X amount of COMMs that have a % chance to spawn the Mysterious Stranger from fallout. Just throwing out ideas.

Why not spice things up by revamping old dungeons that we will be running until this game dies. The new dungeons will fall to this fate regardless so why not add random elements as a start?

Why not add power ups from Deep Dungeon and Heaven on High to regular dungeons? Add more traps and elemental effect what weaken adds like the first area of Sohm Al (Hard) or the spike traps in The Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard). I want to fight adds in a room where the walls are closing in and are going to kill everything in sight including the adds. I want a floor tiles falling one by one and anyone including adds caught fall to their death. Or tiles popping up from the ground and flying at the groups last standing position. Anyone caught in the path, including adds, will get damaged. Like in Legend of Zelda.

Allow for visual changes to happen when a BLM uses thunder in water during a battle. Perhaps even allow the shocking water to deal extra damage to the adds.

I’d say go big on these changes. I notice the Devs have included little things in dungeons that either deal damage or buff the player, but I want more and bigger.
Add them to the old dungeons what’s there to loose you got 12million accounts created that have already played through these dungeons. Some people played through them hundreds of times. Let’s add new things.

Edit: I just want to add we've been destroying so many machines in dungeons you're telling me we haven't once been able to pick up any Gatling/Rail guns to mow down waves of adds?

Randomly change the layout would be great.

dungeons like raids are scripted/scuplted out encounters. you cannot randomly just add things into it.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

dungeons like raids are scripted/scuplted out encounters. you cannot randomly just add things into it.

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Sure you can, if making them less scripted/sculpted, in the course of making them more varied and less repetitive, is exactly the change you're pursuing.

that would have to be a fundamental change in the way of how the devs think about how dungeon design goes. I don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

that would have to be a fundamental change in the way of how the devs think about how dungeon design goes. I don't see it happening.

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Then this all amounts to...

OP: "Though unlikely, I'd like to see X."

Retort: "X is unlikely."

How useful.

I didnt even read but I already agree. Dungeons are so mind numbing and the excuses are stupid.

But yoship said he doesn’t want to make difficult content with a 4 player base due to Healer strain. Which I agree but it’s not savage dungeons (as amazing as that would be) just take us for a spin. Considering how few dungeons we are getting it shouldn’t be this samey

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Then this all amounts to...

OP: "Though unlikely, I'd like to see X."

Retort: "X is unlikely."

How useful.

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anyone who's played the game for this long should know how things work by now. unless something changes fundamentally in dev philosophy certain things are just not going to change unless there is a HUGE call for it. anyone who is naive or new to the game should get used to the fact that some of these "ideas" they have for making things "better" should get to know what is likely to change and what is unlikely to change. therefore thoughts can be directed more purposefully towards the things that are more likely to change instead. anything else is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Then this all amounts to...

OP: "Though unlikely, I'd like to see X."

Retort: "X is unlikely."

How useful.

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He's low key telling people not to shoot for the stars when the devs won't even give us the moon yet.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

He's low key telling people not to shoot for the stars when the devs won't even give us the moon yet.

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The parts mentioned here are all separable. Combined, they may be space-faring, but separately, this is barely asking for the highest point in Indiana.

"Going big" here is a design philosophy, not a minimum first step.

We need a dungeon like CoP Mission 8-2 in FFXI

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

The parts mentioned here are all separable. Combined, they may be space-faring, but separately, this is barely asking for the highest point in Indiana.

"Going big" here is a design philosophy, not a minimum first step.

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i would disagree but hey it's the internet.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I didnt even read but I already agree. Dungeons are so mind numbing and the excuses are stupid.

But yoship said he doesn’t want to make difficult content with a 4 player base due to Healer strain. Which I agree but it’s not savage dungeons (as amazing as that would be) just take us for a spin. Considering how few dungeons we are getting it shouldn’t be this samey

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Yep, nothing difficult if fine with me, but like I mentioned more dungeon layouts that randomly get selected as player queue up. Maybe give players a choices what doors they walk through that spawns a random layout. Perhaps add a treasure door/gamble to a dungeon with a goodie personal goodie bag for all. Bring back the goodie bag from diadem 2. Add monster allies that help players DPS or provide a buff to the party. I would love to see a gang of Tonberrys or random monster spawn to help the party. More traps that hurt and buff adds/players, more rooms that have a ticking time bomb. Bosses roaming the dungeon. Random boss layouts. More power ups maybe even adding a sense of urgency more often. Fun not hard.

Dungeons are some of the most boring content in this game when the newness wears off. Only a few require actual attention as they are mostly trivially easy. They mostly just different window dressing at this point since its always follow the path to circle boss room with the occasional clear all trash wall. They don't have to be hard but they should have variety even if its something as basic as theres a A B C path and you randomly get assigned one everytime you enter would be amazing at this point.

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Originally Posted by Nama

Dungeons are some of the most boring content in this game when the newness wears off. Only a few require actual attention as they are mostly trivially easy. They mostly just different window dressing at this point since its always follow the path to circle boss room with the occasional clear all trash wall. They don't have to be hard but they should have variety even if its something as basic as theres a A B C path and you randomly get assigned one everytime you enter would be amazing at this point.

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Agree with this, the skeptics to the cause tend to think we want Ultra-Savage Extreme (Hard Mode) dungeons but no. Throw us a curve ball the early dungeons taught us dungeons mechs we literally never ever use. The fact we get 1 per patch instead of the 2-3 in the past is criminal. And the 2 newest ones were nothing special. Imagine picking up trash than BAM a stack marker shows up, I want that type of surprise

While I don't see them re-vamping the dungeons they've already made, I think an 'extreme' version of dungeons for veteran players would allow new mechanics and to mix up what they've done before.

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Why not mix up the bosses in different arenas. Maybe have some of the bosses walk around in the dungeon and be fought anywhere.

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I don't see this happening due to the space needed for boss mechanics, but I would like to see the shape of boss arenas changed up a bit so it's not always a perfect circle. (like in Cutter's Cry)

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Perhaps even have a random nemesis attack a party member who drops loot and experience points when defeated by the group, but disappears if targeted player is killed or party wipes. Maybe add an ally that randomly appears to help one of the players because of some high score they obtained in the at the Gold Saucer or they X amount of COMMs.

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There's something similar in Sunken Temple with a Quarn facer that will drop loot, but run away if you don't kill it fast enough. I would like to see more of that as well, just to break up the momentum a bit. As for the random ally...It's hard to implement for story reasons, but I could see it as a fun diversion. You'd have to have a mirage/illusion-based dungeon for it to work, but it would be a fun mechanic where an ally comes to your aid, but the chance of it being a completely random character like Tataru or Lolorito or Brayflox or the wagon guy from the start of the game increases based on collective Comms. (Therefore being veteran players who have run plenty of dungeons and looking for variety.) I'd need someone more coding-minded to tell me if that would be possible, as I think Comms are saved Client-side and not on the game servers.

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Why not add power ups from Deep Dungeon and Heaven on High to regular dungeons? Add more traps and elemental effect what weaken adds...

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I don't think the pomanders should be added as that's part of what makes Deep Dungeon unique, but I would like to see more physical obstacles to out-wit or overcome.

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Allow for visual changes to happen when a BLM uses thunder in water during a battle. Perhaps even allow the shocking water to deal extra damage to the adds.

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You mean like in XV where if you use a strong enough Blizzard grenade (They're not spells, they're grenades and don't try to convince me otherwise.) on a lake you end up freezing your party in place? Yeah, that would be cool!

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I just want to add we've been destroying so many machines in dungeons you're telling me we haven't once been able to pick up any Gatling/Rail guns to mow down waves of adds?

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My first thought was of your profile pick just picking up a railgun and having at it. The second was "I could see Wedge doing that if you let him." Maybe tie that in to the ally bit above?

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Originally Posted by TinkerTech

While I don't see them re-vamping the dungeons they've already made, I think an 'extreme' version of dungeons for veteran players would allow new mechanics and to mix up what they've done before.

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they should at least add some slight changes to it and add it to the roulette mix that gets selected at random. That way we have 2 versions of it. One day you may get version 1 and another day version 2.

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Originally Posted by TinkerTech

I don't see this happening due to the space needed for boss mechanics, but I would like to see the shape of boss arenas changed up a bit so it's not always a perfect circle. (like in Cutter's Cry)

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I mean look at Sastasha. Do the first couple of bosses really need their own arena? I know most bosses this cant be done with since they have mechanics attached to their arena. Maybe a shadow of that boss walks around that is easier but drops extra experience points. Worth a try.

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Originally Posted by TinkerTech

There's something similar in Sunken Temple with a Quarn facer that will drop loot, but run away if you don't kill it fast enough. I would like to see more of that as well, just to break up the momentum a bit. As for the random ally...It's hard to implement for story reasons, but I could see it as a fun diversion.

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Random ally can be anyone. even from the beast tribe. We helped the beast tribes so much and even have ally status with them. Why cant they pop in randomly throughout our journey to help us with dungeons, fates or even random monster fights?

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Originally Posted by TinkerTech

I don't think the pomanders should be added as that's part of what makes Deep Dungeon unique, but I would like to see more physical obstacles to out-wit or overcome.

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power-ups could be anything dropping from a monster that boosts the parties SPD,DEF or ATK at least.

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Originally Posted by TinkerTech

You mean like in XV where if you use a strong enough Blizzard grenade (They're not spells, they're grenades and don't try to convince me otherwise.) on a lake you end up freezing your party in place? Yeah, that would be cool!

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Never got into that game, Id even go with a puddle on the ground that freezes the monster in place or give them a debuff.

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Originally Posted by TinkerTech

My first thought was of your profile pick just picking up a railgun and having at it. The second was "I could see Wedge doing that if you let him." Maybe tie that in to the ally bit above?

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We're able to ride Magitek mounts in dungeons at the end of 2.0 story and the Alexander raid. Im sure the devs can add a connon arm that has "X" amount of AOE uses and damage.

Chances of them going back and revamping old dungeons is pretty low.

That said, I definitely wouldn't mind if they tried to make new dungeons more engaging. Maybe make the routes have RNG so every run isn't exactly the same. Dungeons are currently the least interesting combat content in the game, and it's a bit of a shame.

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

Chances of them going back and revamping old dungeons is pretty low.

That said, I definitely wouldn't mind if they tried to make new dungeons more engaging. Maybe make the routes have RNG so every run isn't exactly the same. Dungeons are currently the least interesting combat content in the game, and it's a bit of a shame.

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It is a shame but it is extremely unlikely they will go back to old dungeons or even change up how they are done going forward. The reason no one is talking about? Trusts.