So something I’ve noticed when signing for this mode is people barely care about the ovoo flags and just focus on killing other teams, and it works, these teams always seem to win by just farming kills.
I feel like it’s kind of broken that the teams that are completely ignoring the objectives are the teams that are winning the mode.
So my suggestion is to make taking the objectives help give you a fighting advantage to incentivise people to actually focus on taking the flags.
In the rival wings astralogos mode there were towers you had to defend and while standing within range of these towers you got a large defense buff which gave you the advantage in pushing off attacking teams. My suggestion is to add this effect to the ovoo in onsal hakair for the team that claims it.
From a lore perspective winning the objective gives your team a morale boost allowing you to fight harder and repel the enemy teams. From a gameplay perspective it incentivises people to claim the ovoo in the first place over just attacking wildly and once you’ve won the objective now you get a fighting advantage to repel the other teams, not only do you get points from the flag but you’re less likely to lose points to getting farmed by a team that ignored the objective.
Suggestion for onsal hakair
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03-21-2020, 08:24 AMCabalabobSuggestion for onsal hakair
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03-21-2020, 08:54 AMIscah
Gameplay on Elemental DC is very much about capturing the flags.
If everyone else on your DC is ignoring the flags? Go get them. Turn the tide.
If one team has the upper hand in battle then of course they're going to win if each team acquires a similar amount of flags. They are getting a higher score. -
03-23-2020, 06:17 AMMoonlite
The lore comment made me cringe. But at least on Crystal some matches are won/stolen by just grabbing the points. Some are won by smoking the first place team and stealing the points. It is three team PvP it is horribly balanced and always will be.
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03-23-2020, 09:17 AMKurokathis, they just shouldve made a cut there and make it 2 teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlite
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03-23-2020, 01:47 PMVyrerus
I haven't done it too much, but I've seen first place blow a 900 point lead. It happened when the two teams that were behind teamed up, more or less. Pushed the IF back to basically their spawn almost, and sorta just sat on them while ramping up their points. Of course, one of those teams took a dive basically, but yeah... I don't think giving buffs to the Oovoos would alter that being a problem occurrence.
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03-24-2020, 12:36 AMKisama
Sounds like the people that queued to play PvP are winning by PvPing. Weird world.
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03-24-2020, 01:32 AMBloodRubyXII
wooow holy sm0kes people winning in a pvp mode by pvping what a debacle
I know you break into a cold sweat if you try to go a day without mentioning in a post you play on JP. But nope, even on JP it's BH 5 > Nodes > Anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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03-24-2020, 02:23 AMDivinemightsYou are being delusional if you believed Capture Flag is the primary objective for this intense PvP mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalabob
It is a common mistake made by PvE players.
Flag is only a secondary objective, the main objective is about how to get Battle High; in another word, when to Flank and avoid to be Flank by other GC is the key.
You can argue all you want that you have a 900 points lead by capturing the flag but utterly your GC will be destroyed when other two CG and actually fought decides to turn on you.
Any GC will be destroyed if they find themselves have no BH (pass rank 3) after 6 mins into game.
Battle High > Flag Node, end of story. -
03-24-2020, 08:08 PMIscahUhhh... it's not like I have an agenda to mention it whenever I can. I say it if it's relevant to the discussion because it's very clear from conversations here that the Japanese playerbase handles some aspects of the game very differently to the English-speaking playerbase. Thus, my experience of player behaviour - and even game mechanics in some situations - may be very different to yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII
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03-24-2020, 09:54 PMBloodRubyXIIBut you're literally on the forums of the English-speaking playerbase, so how is this relevant to anyone? Especially when the information you're giving is frankly wrong. I don't go on the JP PvP forums and tell them how the English speaking playerbase play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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03-24-2020, 10:33 PMIscahYou're recommended to use the data centre geographically closest to where you play. That makes the JP data centres home to English-speaking players from Australia, New Zealand and a number of Asian countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII
I'm not here because it's superior or something. It's just where I was told to go.
And I am speaking from observation. People converge on the flag locations and fight over them. Matches are won and lost over who picks up the S-rank flag late in the game.
Maybe they aren't doing that over on whatever server the OP plays, because they're making it sound like they just get ignored and people need to be prompted to engage in that part of the game. Maybe it's the difference between how JP players behave (and thus what the devs would see players doing if they play the game themselves) versus how US players behave. Maybe if I went over to one of the other JP servers it would be different again.
So. I specify which DC I'm on and where it is, if that seems relevant to what I'm talking about - if it's about how players behave or interact with the game, because the population is clearly different, both in behaviour and sheer numbers, and things that people talk about as issues on the US forum don't seem to be issues here to the same degree. So I'm coming from a different perspective, and want to make that clear if it's relevant. -
03-25-2020, 03:55 AMDivinemights
I don't know, I personally want to smash my head into the wall on Primal whenever I see people gave up a perfect flank opportunity for a useless node when the target GC only need 100 more points to win. I don't understand their logic.
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03-25-2020, 04:43 AMMoonliteQuote:
Originally Posted by Divinemights
It is like people can't read the score. "Pull back get the S rank" First place team needs 100 points to win. If everyone pushes in and respawns get nodes you can still win. Also need to be smart enough to facilitate the double team instead of the sandwich, since the other team also seems to have trouble looking at the score as well. -
03-31-2020, 01:20 AMGuesswhatThe objective is to win by getting to 1600 points first. You get points by killing other players. It's part of the objective. In all FL modes. But there are times to retreat, yes. Do the killing smarter than the other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalabob
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03-31-2020, 03:22 PMVyrerusProbably comes from most people not fully grasping how the game mode works, I'd wager. I also heard there's PVP Discord where they try to organize some groups to go do it. I'm not in the Discord, and a lot of the time it seems like everybody on my team got some memo in voice chat about what we're doing strategically, no info comes in on Alliance or Party chat, and then suddenly I'm alone if I take my eyes off the minimap for more than 20 seconds lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemights