Lets talk about the Savage Gear Weekly Restrictions

So the restrictions I know are in place to stop players from curb stomping their content within a week, but how about they do it like this?:

You can clear savage by job weekly restriction:

For each job role you cleared for the week they're automatically given a piece of gear if the Boss happens to drop said Gear and you can switch to another job role to clear the same boss for that week to get another piece of gear, and so for the following:

Maiming Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Fending Set (7 Weeks for all gear) + 1 for Paladins due to shields
Scouting Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Striking Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Aiming Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Casting Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Healing Set (7 Weeks for all gear)

All accessories on the right side (5 Weeks if you're doing the first Tier Savage Raid which is usually where the accessories tend to drop).

Now the items that drop to help augment your gear will remain as they are as random coffer drops, and everyone has to roll for.

The Books can remain as they are as 1 book per weekly restriction.


Not only will this help increase activity with savage raiding for the day. but it will encourage players to try other jobs for Savage Raiding.

Also the RNG coffers is just horrible by design just to get a piece of gear, there is no reason to punish the players like that and force them a extra week if they didn't get anything.


I think 7 weeks is long enough for Savage content if you're consistent, and it shouldn't be artificially extended as it is currently.

People have been requesting this kind of system since ARR days, it's not going to happen.

The loot system was changed once already and its wayy better than it was before. coffer system makes sure you aren't stuck waiting X amount of weeks for X piece to drop (it used to be all RNG)

If anything I would say keep it as it is and make the books farmable (and maybe increase the amount needed). So at least you have to work for it.

The only downside I think is it will just kill the content quicker in PF.

The new loot system annoys me simply because if you're not in a static, there's a very reasonable possibility you'll get RNG screwed from repearedly losing rolls to people who are needing coffers for off-class.

It took me 12 weeks to get my weapon and chest armor from ES4 thanks to a ridiculously bad streak of luck.

I much preferred having to fight drop RNG as opposed to roll RNG personally.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

The new loot system annoys me simply because if you're not in a static, there's a very reasonable possibility you'll get RNG screwed from repearedly losing rolls to people who are needing coffers for off-class.

It took me 12 weeks to get my weapon and chest armor from ES4 thanks to a ridiculously bad streak of luck.

I much preferred having to fight drop RNG as opposed to roll RNG personally.

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God I hate this misconception.

All this change did for pugs is roll all the RNG into one neat little package.

Previously, you were still under the whims of two layers of RNG. The first is whether your item drops in the first place, and the second is whether you win the roll.

There are: Striking, Scouting, Maiming, Aiming, Casting, Healing, Fending. 7 sets. So for DPS, assuming there's no set duplication, you had a 1/7 chance of getting a drop in your class. The new system moves this to 1/8. This is the only way the RNG is worse for anyone. And it's by 1.78%. in other words, 98.22% of the time, this new system is the same for if and what piece of gear ends up in your inventory.

For literally everyone else in the party, namely the 4 people who happen to be healers and tanks and sometimes the two dps that share a set, you have a 1/7 chance of getting a drop in your class, and then have to deal with a 1/2 chance to win the roll, putting your chances at an abysmal 1/14. The new system raises this to 1/8. An improvement by 5.35%.

So for dps who don't share, the raw numbers got a little bit worse. For the majority of people who do share, the numbers got much better. And finally, there's the far more important aspect, in my opinion: It's much less likely for a piece to be wasted.

I honestly don't see how anyone can legitimately believe the old system was better.

I'm not saying the old system was actually better odds wise.

It just feels a heck of a lot worse to lose loot mostly to bad rolls and player greed as opposed to it simply not dropping.

Yes, that was part of the reason I made this topic. I think the whole rolling system currently is abysmal as it is a one sided affair, and there is some players who get screwed out of gear for weeks on end and have to rely on books which isn't very effective to get all the savage gear in a timely manner.

There is literally no reason to punish players like that for clearing this type of content.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

The new loot system annoys me simply because if you're not in a static, there's a very reasonable possibility you'll get RNG screwed from repearedly losing rolls to people who are needing coffers for off-class.

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I'm a bit confused how are people NEEDING on an off class? I thought it was need only in your class unless lootmaster changed it?

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Originally Posted by QT_Melon

I'm a bit confused how are people NEEDING on an off class? I thought it was need only in your class unless lootmaster changed it?

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It's mostly coffers that give you gear based on the job you open them on like the ones they give you on quests now. So you can play whatever job you want, then outside open the coffer on the job you want the gear on. So everyone can need most of everything unless they already are weekly locked out.

I don't think this will happen though, the alternating odd patches are supposed to be for gearing alts. (You should be done with tome for one job after 3 months, then you get the upgrade item and use the tomes on another job) So if they give you this extra gear people will drop out more during the "catch-up" patches. Unlocking it/removing the restrictions sooner than they do now would be cool though.

I mentioned "not in a static" because a static will make sure everyone actually has their BIS before they allow free rolls, and by "off class", I mean a job the player is not actually raiding with.

Had a rather novel experience of someone who was in full BIS winning both the weapon and chest armor coffer in ES4 when multiple others needed it, as well as someone winning the weapon coffer after they needed on the class-specific weapon drop but I guess that's just the way the cookie crumbles with randoms (Though I still think they should only allow you win one item per boss weekly at most).

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Originally Posted by Vaer

It's mostly coffers that give you gear based on the job you open them on like the ones they give you on quests now. So you can play whatever job you want, then outside open the coffer on the job you want the gear on. So everyone can need most of everything unless they already are weekly locked out.

I don't think this will happen though, the even patches are supposed to be for gearing alts. (You should be done with tome for one job after 3 months, then you get the upgrade item and use the tomes on another job) So if they give you this extra gear people will drop out more during the "catch-up" patches.

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Right, so its generally much later in patches, not sooner. That's why I was confused. Most people are still farming for their main class in weekly lockouts. ...and "farming" is loose since once you clear a floor you're locked out anyways, until later.

That's why making this argument is not good and confusing at best.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I mentioned "not in a static" because a static will make sure everyone actually has their BIS before they allow free rolls, and by "off class", I mean a job the player is not actually raiding with.

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This argument still doesn't hold unless you're talking about later in patch cycles where people have already gotten enough on their main. PUG or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by QT_Melon

This argument still doesn't hold unless you're talking about later in patch cycles where people have already gotten enough on their main. PUG or otherwise.

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I'm...not sure what you're trying to argue either unless you're fine and dandy with people needing coffers for a class they don't actually use for raiding with zero consideration for how geared the others in their party are.

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Originally Posted by QT_Melon

Right, so its generally much later in patches, not sooner. That's why I was confused. Most people are still farming for their main class in weekly lockouts. ...and "farming" is loose since once you clear a floor you're locked out anyways, until later.

That's why making this argument is not good and confusing at best.



This argument still doesn't hold unless you're talking about later in patch cycles where people have already gotten enough on their main. PUG or otherwise.

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That depends on what you consider fair really. So let's say I win the waist earrings and ring on week 1. So I have these on healer now. On week 2, 3 and 4, I keep rolling on them while playing healer. I can't get the healing items a second time without being completely wasteful, so technically I'm rolling for alt jobs.

In a pug, anything goes though. I wouldn't ask people to pass but that's just me though. They helped complete it, used their weekly lock and it's a dice roll anyway.

Isn't it also to try to reduce carries? It's why you get less chests if you have people who cleared it already. So I don't think this idea would work, assuming that's part of the reason for the restriction.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm...not sure what you're trying to argue either unless you're fine and dandy with people needing coffers for a class they don't actually use for raiding with zero consideration for how geared the others in their party are.

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everyone be selfish. that's the pug life. if you can clear just get your clear and then if rngesus is unkind then you'll just have to wait until savage is unlocked.