Rework undraw

As it stands it's a useless skill. I think if it was reworked to just flip a drawn card from range to melee and vice versa then ast would appeal to much more people. Theres nothing more annoying than getting all melee or all range in a party and having to keep searching for cards. I don't think this is a game breaking change as it still requires you to know the cards. Ast right now turns a lot of people off and I think this minor change would encourage more players to play it regularly.

Don't bother trying to get absolutely melee/ranged card when the full party has one or another.
It's a waste of time and effort, and consume all your redraw stacks for nothing.

undraw is a remnant from stormblood, and even then it waa better to just use minor arcana back then anyway


what would solve the issue would be changing redraw so that youre guaranteed to get a different seal and a different melee/ranged every time you redraw. They did a similar change back in the old card system where they made redraw always give you a different card, so changing seal and card type isnt that much of a stretch.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig628

As it stands it's a useless skill. I think if it was reworked to just flip a drawn card from range to melee and vice versa then ast would appeal to much more people. Theres nothing more annoying than getting all melee or all range in a party and having to keep searching for cards. I don't think this is a game breaking change as it still requires you to know the cards. Ast right now turns a lot of people off and I think this minor change would encourage more players to play it regularly.

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That's actually a very good idea. I mean, the whole card system is clunky as hell (with its constant changing targets and eventual carpal tunnel syndrome) but it would be nice to not have our main contribution to a party limited by what jobs other people are playing.

Just don't use Undraw, it's completely useless, and we don't need the button bloat.

I'd rather they fixed Redraw to exclude your current seal and mode rather than just exclude that exact card.
That way if you draw say a Spire, Redraw will give you either Balance or Arrow.

I disagree with this, i don't think they should rework Undraw. I think it's just fine where it is, IN THE TRASH.

They should give AST another skill instead, that's all. Bring back Time Dilation/another fancy move please.

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Originally Posted by Kraniel

I disagree with this, i don't think they should rework Undraw. I think it's just fine where it is, IN THE TRASH.

They should give AST another skill instead, that's all. Bring back Time Dilation/another fancy move please.

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I am totally on board with restoring Time Dilation -- AND the stun for Celestial Opposition. I mean seriously, if another healer job can keep their AE stun, why shouldn't AST?

Undraw should sacrifice card drawn to give Ast 1k mp back.

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Originally Posted by Side-Eye

I am totally on board with restoring Time Dilation -- AND the stun for Celestial Opposition. I mean seriously, if another healer job can keep their AE stun, why shouldn't AST?

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Yeah honestly i think Time Dilation is what i miss the most from the old AST. I also miss the card variety and the ability to spread buffs around the team. I wish they would reintroduce one of these mechanics instead of leaving us with a skill that literally no one includes in their hotbar ...

Now that my main (WHM) is in a good spot, i decided to get back to AST a bit and frankly, it feels like unfinished work. SE should definitely do some clean-up.

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Originally Posted by Kraniel

instead of leaving us with a skill that literally no one includes in their hotbar ...

Now that my main (WHM) is in a good spot

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WHM also has a useless skill, and even gave the other two one this expansion (fluid Aura and repose).

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Originally Posted by althenawhm

WHM also has a useless skill, and even gave the other two one this expansion (fluid Aura and repose).

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You're right, i never use Repose and Fluid Aura as WHM, but still it's not comparable to Undraw.
Since AST can only use one card at a time now, you might as well just dump the card on someone randomly, or just wait for the end of the Draw CD. In no situation ever will Undraw be of any help. And unlike Fluid Aura and Repose, you can't even use it for fun, since its only effect is to throw away your card without any animation whatsoever.

But really what bothers me the most is the fact that it's so apparent that SE just didn't care.
Even with the old AST, Undraw was almost never used, and for some reason, when they had their big healing jobs overhaul, they thought "Ah, Undraw ? Meh, let's just leave it there, whatever.". I mean, they could have easily swapped it with something more useful, or like OP said, tweaked it a bit so that it had at least some use cases (even niche ones).

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Originally Posted by Kraniel

I disagree with this, i don't think they should rework Undraw. I think it's just fine where it is, IN THE TRASH.

They should give AST another skill instead, that's all. Bring back Time Dilation/another fancy move please.

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This. I'll happily take back Time Dilation or Disable, ty

No, just remove it. Draw and redraw basically do just that anyway.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Undraw should sacrifice card drawn to give Ast 1k mp back.

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I second this, buff the useless button to make it give a much needed MP regen skill, it's a win win. Maybe give it a 60s cd so it aligns with Assize, Aetherflow and Lucid.

In the old system Undraw would throw away useless cards, but in this new system no card is useless, so it leaves you with the choice - do I wanna buff someone, or do I wanna regen some MP - much like SCH's ED.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I second this, buff the useless button to make it give a much needed MP regen skill, it's a win win. Maybe give it a 60s cd so it aligns with Assize, Aetherflow and Lucid.

In the old system Undraw would throw away useless cards, but in this new system no card is useless, so it leaves you with the choice - do I wanna buff someone, or do I wanna regen some MP - much like SCH's ED.

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Except AST's can manage with MP at the moment, and sacrificing a card for MP is a DPS loss, so it still won't be used. (SCH's ED is a DPS gain) And again, we don't need any more buttons. Most ASTs have been ignoring Undraw completely since the job was created, we don't need it to be functional now.
Give us some minor MP from drawing cards in general and call it a day.

I want to agree with OP, but Al Gore warned me about him...

At least I think redraw could be made more useful. Sometimes it feels like they've taken away card fishing because everybody wanted the balance and took away the dynamics that made RNG more interesting and replaced them with an RNG system you can do less with...and still fish for cards anyway even though they're all the balance anywhere.

And actually I think the main reason I think the new system feels less engaging is not even that the Bole was damage reduction or that the Arrow was a speed boost. It was that you could take that Bole, you could Royal Road it, then take that Balance and store it for later. You could then throw a Time Dilation on it, or a Celestial Opposition to help push those buffs longer. I mean, hypothetically they could have kept these elements because you could Royal Road based on seals instead, and actually that'd solve my problem when I've got a Solar Seal and Lunar Seal and all I'm getting are Solar and Lunar Seals when I redraw, they could be useful for a Royal Road before I decide to use it for a Minor Arcana or take a weaker Divination.

Squeenix simply needs to revamp the entire card system, get rid of Undraw, and turn Sleeve Draw into something that benefits the party without causing the AST player to switch targets three times, for a total of SIX extra clicks, in addition to clicking and target switching from heals and DPS. I really don't think any job should present players with a choice between performing sub-par and developing carpal tunnel syndrome.

Agreed. Undraw is no longer needed now that you can convert cards to Lord/Lady of Crowns without messing up yoir seal stacks for Horoscope. I don't even have it on my bar anymore.

A better use would be to let you remove the last seal you applied in case you accidentally got two of the same. Perhaps they'll add that functionality later

Undraw should automatically get upgraded to Redraw or Minor Arcana when you get them or removed completely.
I might have used it in a lower level dungeon once, but would probably have been better to just give anyone the card instead as I didn’t have Divination anyway.